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[In Exile]

Profanity does no good, with the possible exception of adding worthless words to a vocabulary.

The words aren't worthless. Even if you think they are only insults, it still stands that insults have a distinct meaning. That makes them valuable.

[Elhanan]

The words aren't worthless. Even if you think they are only insults, it still stands that insults have a distinct meaning. That makes them valuable.

Perhaps in the same way as food in a dumpster can retain value.

[In Exile]

Perhaps in the same way as food in a dumpster can retain value.

 

Compost? And see? You used a pejorative analogy. We need words that connote negative meaning. Your own example proves it. That you think certain words connote too negative a meaning is besides the point. 

[Laughing_Man]

In Bioware games, I simply bench the offending Companions, as most NPC's do not use profanity. In other games, I simply choose not to purchase them. This seems to work well for me, though I would prefer not to have the offensive language in the games at all.

 
So, you actually have a working solution that allows you to enjoy video games despite your eccentric tastes, do you also have to prevent others from enjoying a world that does not pretend that it is comprised out of religious christians (or whatever) only?
 

Perhaps in the same way as food in a dumpster can retain value.

 
Typical religious thinking. There is only value in "our" philosophy and ideas, the rest is baseless and worthless, right?

[Elhanan]

Compost? And see? You used a pejorative analogy. We need words that connote negative meaning. Your own example proves it. That you think certain words connote too negative a meaning is besides the point.

Believe there are plenty of words that denote negative meanings; simply do not desire obscenities to be those included in entertainment.

[Elhanan]

So, you actually have a working solution that allows you to enjoy video games despite your eccentric tastes, do you also have to prevent others from enjoying a world that does not pretend that it is comprised out of religious christians (or whatever) only? 
 
Typical religious thinking. There is only value in "our" philosophy and ideas, the rest is baseless and worthless, right?

Was not aware that most of my former co-workers were religious, as were the majority of the clientele. Curious....

As to the bias against religious thought, will leave that alone for proper counseling.

[FKA_Servo]

WHAT??!!! 500... FIVE HUNDRED PAGES??!! MY GOD

 

Elhanan probably accounts for a good third of them, too.

 

Although I'm probably right there with him, on that count...

[Elhanan]

Elhanan probably accounts for a good third of them, too.
 
Although I'm probably right there with him, on that count...

Per that link supplied earlier, my post count appears to fall behind that of yours and a couple of others.

[FKA_Servo]

Per that link supplied earlier, my post count appears to fall behind that of yours and a couple of others.

 

It's true, I'm ahead of you by 23 posts. Huh.

 

I think I need to go home and consider my priorities. Neat resource, though.

[Ahglock]

When's the last time you went a full day surrounded by people of multiple backgrounds and didn't hear a single cuss word?

Almost every work day is without swearing. I work in human service, government aid type work. Food stamps and Medicaid to narrow it down. Given how ridiculously far behind most workers are it's pretty surprising that with all the stress our clients are under I have only been swore at twice in the whole time at my job while dealing with disgruntled clients.

I personally swear all the damn time but most my friends rarely swear.

[capn233]

Better if used somewhat sparingly.

[afgncaap7]

The premise fails, as there are those that do not abide profanity on a regular basis. In Real Life, I walked away from unruly clients, or hung up the phone, but this did not happen often as the majority consider profanity in public to be uncivil; something that was undesirable. Thus, realistic dialogue can have the absence of obscenities. too.

While the writers can create characters and scribe dialogue as they want, as a consumer, my request is to omit profanity or possibly allow for a Toggle to remove it. This is what the OT requested.

So basically your entire argument is "my reality is more real than your reality"? I see. I'm clearly wasting my time trying to discuss this with logic, so I'll give you one challenge instead - go outside.

[afgncaap7]

Almost every work day is without swearing. I work in human service, government aid type work. Food stamps and Medicaid to narrow it down. Given how ridiculously far behind most workers are it's pretty surprising that with all the stress our clients are under I have only been swore at twice in the whole time at my job while dealing with disgruntled clients.

I personally swear all the damn time but most my friends rarely swear.

"Argues against my point and then proceeds to confirm my point with his last sentence." Thanks bud. It's always easier when somebody else does all the work. There's one very important word here. "Personally". I personally hear cussing all the time.

[Elhanan]

So basically your entire argument is "my reality is more real than your reality"? I see. I'm clearly wasting my time trying to discuss this with logic, so I'll give you one challenge instead - go outside.

Not at all. My reality is as valid as others - not better or worse - and am hoping that my version can be made, too. A toggle could work, though I would prefer profanity was removed voluntarily.

[Steelcan]

And the majority of people would prefer it stay it seems.

[Elhanan]

And the majority of people would prefer it stay it seems.

More vocal does not equate to a majority, as my post count vs others seems to indicate.

[Lady Luminous]

Not at all. My reality is as valid as others - not better or worse - and am hoping that my version can be made, too. A toggle could work, though I would prefer profanity was removed voluntarily.

See the problem is that while a toggle could work, it's not financially feasible unless the budget gets a big increase.

With the toggle, each line of dialogue that has profanity will need to be re-written, re-recorded for the voice acting, and then coded as an alternative. It's just a request that requires very deep pockets and extra man hours to be able to implement.

I'd personally rather they write it without profanity than add in a toggle when they could be working on other elements of the game.

[FKA_Servo]

Not at all. My reality is as valid as others - not better or worse - and am hoping that my version can be made, too. A toggle could work, though I would prefer profanity was removed voluntarily.

 

I suspect you might be somewhat biased in favor of your reality since it presumably doesn't include all that much maligned profanity.

 

If you do, in fact, value any other player's preferences, and regard their reality as equally valid against your own, it seems like the sensible course of action would be to proceed as you always have, benching offending characters and turning a blind eye to the rare bit of content that offends your sensibilities. Since apparently many other players do enjoy it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

So now we're using our post counts like Electoral Votes? I'm like New York. I vote in favor of profanity in the game.

 

Of course arguments like this is the reason we can't have nice things anymore.

[KaiserShep]

Almost every work day is without swearing. I work in human service, government aid type work. Food stamps and Medicaid to narrow it down. Given how ridiculously far behind most workers are it's pretty surprising that with all the stress our clients are under I have only been swore at twice in the whole time at my job while dealing with disgruntled clients.
I personally swear all the damn time but most my friends rarely swear.

I guess the key thing here is that it's a very specific environment, one where you have to deal with customers/clients, which may involve a certain etiquette based on whatever guidelines the company has in place. At my own job we have similar rules, but those rules may be bent or outright broken based on the nature of the office dynamic (not everyone's gonna snitch to HR that someone used bad words).

If the environment is a ragtag group of hardened killers, that flies right out the window.

[LightningPoodle]

So now we're using our post counts like Electoral Votes? I'm like New York. I vote in favor of profanity in the game.

 

Wave of the future!

 

... That said California a moment ago...

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I guess the key thing here is that it's a very specific environment, one where you have to deal with customers/clients, which may involve a certain etiquette based on whatever guidelines the company has in place. At my own job we have similar rules, but those rules may be bent or outright broken based on the nature of the office dynamic (not everyone's gonna snitch to HR that someone used bad words).

If the environment is a ragtag group of hardened killers, that flies right out the window.

 

This ^^^ Considering the fact that in most games one racks up a body count the size of a small city, I'd say that profanity should be the least to be concerned about. I think I wiped out the equivalent of a city the size of Union City, California playing Destiny.

[themikefest]

This ^^^ Considering the fact that in most games one racks up a body count the size of a small city,

Body count? Here's a good body count. Excellent.

[Elhanan]

See the problem is that while a toggle could work, it's not financially feasible unless the budget gets a big increase.

With the toggle, each line of dialogue that has profanity will need to be re-written, re-recorded for the voice acting, and then coded as an alternative. It's just a request that requires very deep pockets and extra man hours to be able to implement.

I'd personally rather they write it without profanity than add in a toggle when they could be working on other elements of the game.

Am for an option that allows for it; either works for me.

[KaiserShep]

This ^^^ Considering the fact that in most games one racks up a body count the size of a small city, I'd say that profanity should be the least to be concerned about. I think I wiped out the equivalent of a city the size of Union City, California playing Destiny.

I'm pretty sure I took out the equivalent of a small town once when I used the Hammer of Sol.