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[Elhanan]

I suspect you might be somewhat biased in favor of your reality since it presumably doesn't include all that much maligned profanity.
 
If you do, in fact, value any other player's preferences, and regard their reality as equally valid against your own, it seems like the sensible course of action would be to proceed as you always have, benching offending characters and turning a blind eye to the rare bit of content that offends your sensibilities. Since apparently many other players do enjoy it.

I do prefer the absence of profanity, as has been stated many times. If this can be done via voluntary removal or a Toggle, am content with either. But as I have written a few times elsewhere, the slope gets a tad more slippery with each new title, and if this goes onward, my option then becomes to skip the product. Thus, I voice my opinion now while I remain a consumer; not after the fact.

[Elhanan]

So now we're using our post counts like Electoral Votes? I'm like New York. I vote in favor of profanity in the game.
 
Of course arguments like this is the reason we can't have nice things anymore.

Pls read again. My post count has nothing to do with the value of argument, even if I do seem to post more often. The majority does not matter.

[Lady Luminous]

Am for an option that allows for it; either works for me.

Okay then, question. Say they can implement the toggle, but doing so brings them to the end of their time allotment and budget.

Would you still be in favour of a toggle if other features suffered due to lack of polishing, or if the game couldn't be tested as thouroughly?

[Elhanan]

Okay then, question. Say they can implement the toggle, but doing so brings them to the end of their time allotment and budget.

Would you still be in favour of a toggle if other features suffered due to lack of polishing, or if the game couldn't be tested as thouroughly?

I could live w/o the Bottles of Andromeda....

[Lady Luminous]

I could live w/o the Bottles of Andromeda....

Amen to that, but I was thinking slightly more important features like combat or the CC.

[FKA_Servo]

Amen to that, but I was thinking slightly more important features like combat or the CC.

 

I'd be more concerned about sacrificing an otherwise memorable character, romance, or storyline to the gods of of the T rating. Which I think is far more likely if they're preemptively censoring themselves or frittering away resources on re-recording or re-writing dialogue.

 

I suspect you'll find that Elhanan is quite amenable to whatever might hypothetically need to be cut in order to achieve his particular vision, however.

[Elhanan]

Amen to that, but I was thinking slightly more important features like combat or the CC.

That would not get released. If a language Toggle is added, then the final product would still have both of those features.

For removal, perhaps fewer missions that require Rings, Obelisks, and pantaloons.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Lets just acknowledge that when under stress people swear and that swearing is also conditional on environment and who is present at the time and leave it at that.

[Ahglock]

"Argues against my point and then proceeds to confirm my point with his last sentence." Thanks bud. It's always easier when somebody else does all the work. There's one very important word here. "Personally". I personally hear cussing all the time.

Not really. Or at least how I sa your point. Your point seemed to be the norm was swearing like people are swearing so often it's hard to believe you can get through a single day without it. My point is it's actually not the common, that people in situations where swearing would be fairly justified still don't do it that often.

Does it exist, sure. Do some people swear more than others, sure. No one denied or even tried to argue that wasn't true.

I personally am fine with swearing and I expect it would happen at the getting shot at stage of stress. But I don't think it's such a common occurrence that I can argue it's lack would be overly strange.

[von uber]

People using health issues to garner sympathy or deflect criticism of their argument is pretty low.
For example I have to inject myself every week to stay alive (by product of a brain tumour) but would never consider using that within a post to garner sympathy. It is what it is, I just get on with life.

I have three warning points; one at least is a result of our dear prolific poster. Odd really; I have never dreamt of reporting anyone, no matter how heated the debate gets.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[Elhanan]

People using health issues to garner sympathy or deflect criticism of their argument is pretty low.
For example I have to inject myself every week to stay alive (by product of a brain tumour) but would never consider using that within a post to garner sympathy. It is what it is, I just get on with life.

I have three warning points; one at least is a result of our dear prolific poster. Odd really; I have never dreamt of reporting anyone, no matter how heated the debate gets.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.

I am uncertain if you have received warnings due to anything I have reported. Am guessing it has more to do with your violation of the ToS which you agreed to abide by here.

And my health issues were in response directly to a poster telling me to get a job. If my factual reply rankles, not my problem. Pls set me to Ignore, and your day may improve.

[FKA_Servo]

I have never dreamt of reporting anyone, no matter how heated the debate gets.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

The desire to play forum police is pretty mystifying to me. And considering how enthusiastic the mods are around here, completely unnecessary.

[Ahglock]

I guess the key thing here is that it's a very specific environment, one where you have to deal with customers/clients, which may involve a certain etiquette based on whatever guidelines the company has in place. At my own job we have similar rules, but those rules may be bent or outright broken based on the nature of the office dynamic (not everyone's gonna snitch to HR that someone used bad words).

If the environment is a ragtag group of hardened killers, that flies right out the window.

I'm not surprised the workers don't swear. It's basic professional conduct in most settings. I am surprised that someone with dwindling savings and credit cards getting maxed after 2-3 months of nothing happening on their cases Inot swearing. Id expect some swearing especially if they have kids. But it's rare.

[von uber]

I am uncertain if you have received warnings due to anything I have reported. Am guessing it has more to do with your violation of the ToS which you agreed to abide by here.

Why have you set yourself up as some self appointed rule enforcer when their are mods?

In theory you should have reported yourself for this:

verb (used with object), sodded, sodding. 4. to damn: Sod the bloody bastard! Verb phrases 5. sod off, to leave (usually as an imperative): Why don't you just sod off!

Which is a clear violition of the TOS. Do you want one of us to report it for you?

[Kabooooom]

People using health issues to garner sympathy or deflect criticism of their argument is pretty low.
For example I have to inject myself every week to stay alive (by product of a brain tumour) but would never consider using that within a post to garner sympathy. It is what it is, I just get on with life.

I have three warning points; one at least is a result of our dear prolific poster. Odd really; I have never dreamt of reporting anyone, no matter how heated the debate gets.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Im gonna have to stick up for him on this one. He didn't bring up his health at all until someone told him to "get a job", and he responded with why he couldn't. I don't think that is anywhere close to a suggesting a motive of garnering sympathy or deflection of criticism.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You know I don't know what I find more disturbing. The fact that people are taking offense over the use of "salty language", some nudity in love scenes, or that no one takes any offense that we routinely obliterate the equivalent of small cities with our characters during the course of a game. 

[Lady Artifice]

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Ahh.. true (to the bolded words... that's me). However, I believe that people living in "that century" ought to abide by their social codes.

 

Don't you think so?  Meaning that foul words may change overtime but the social mores pertaining to their general use doesn't, even through centuries.

 

That is an interesting question. To begin with, it assumes that I consider myself in a position to cast judgement on other people's social behavior, which is not a role I'm wholly enthusiastic about. There's also the question of whether we're talking about the behavior of real people or fictional characters, because there is a huge distinction regarding the standards I have in place in order to think well of them. In the real world, vigilantism, stealing, and mercenary activities are things I mostly disapprove of. In fiction land, there's more freedom to contrive sympathetic circumstances for those activities, and I can enjoy characters like Garrus, Kasumi, and Zaeed without feeling any guilt. 

 

Furthermore, I don't want to approve of the behavior of every character I meet in a fictional universe, because that sounds boring. In the real world, the first things I hope for from people I meet are that they be rational, emotionally stable, and considerate. In the fictional world, the first thing I hope for is that they be interesting. There's an overlap, definitely, but the priorities still shift between the two experiences. 

 

As for whether I think conforming to social codes is a good thing in the most general sense...That depends. There are some positive benefits to the existence of social taboos. For some people, the desire to be thought well of is the only thing that keeps them from indulging any obnoxious whim that enters their heads. Even so, what society deems positive behavior is often either ridiculous or reprehensible. I could list ten things offhand that have, at some time in history, been the socially approved way to go about interacting with other people that are all absurd. Most of the ones I'm thinking of are associated with Victorian England, some of which still--really strangely--influence our perceptions of good manners today. Some of today's "bad" words are just yesterday's ordinary phrases, but since they were associated with the lower classes they gradually became taboo. So, do I think adhering to the social mores that implicitly venerate the perceptions of an outdated class system that--in my opinion--is abhorrent to begin with, is a good idea? Not really. 

[Elhanan]

You know I don't know what I find more disturbing. The fact that people are taking offense over the use of "salty language", some nudity in love scenes, or that no one takes any offense that we routinely obliterate the equivalent of small cities with our characters during the course of a game.

And yet, it seems to have not stopped any here from playing....

[Nattfare]

What do you guys think about swearing?

 

I think, therefore I swear.

 

 

 

 

 

...or was it I swear, therefore I think?

 

 

 

Hmmmm...

[Iakus]

So basically your entire argument is "my reality is more real than your reality"? I see. I'm clearly wasting my time trying to discuss this with logic, so I'll give you one challenge instead - go outside.

Well, the argument against him seems to be the exact same premise...

[Iakus]

See the problem is that while a toggle could work, it's not financially feasible unless the budget gets a big increase.

With the toggle, each line of dialogue that has profanity will need to be re-written, re-recorded for the voice acting, and then coded as an alternative. It's just a request that requires very deep pockets and extra man hours to be able to implement.

I'd personally rather they write it without profanity than add in a toggle when they could be working on other elements of the game.

I do not think a swear toggle is feasible.

 

But that said Elhanan or anyone else who would like to advocate for it, propose an alternative, or express an opinion should be allowed to do so without ridicule.

[rashie]

They're making a game for a mature audience, tailor the game to that audience. I personally don't have a problem in the slightest with that including foul language, its not like people should be playing a 18+ labelled game in front of children regardless.

 

That aside from the enormous hypocrisy with having a problem with words but being totally ok with gory violence.

[Elhanan]

The desire to play forum police is pretty mystifying to me. And considering how enthusiastic the mods are around here, completely unnecessary.

Not playing a role; am taking the accepted task allowed by the ToS. And considering that folks seem to know that I do not care for profanity, it should not be too surprising that when seen that I report it, esp when it is apparently posted purposely in a topical thread like this.

[Lady Artifice]

I do not think a swear toggle is feasible.

 

But that said Elhanan or anyone else who would like to advocate for it, propose an alternative, or express an opinion should be allowed to do so without ridicule.

 

What makes the freedom to express an opinion more important than the freedom to express disagreement with the same opinion? 

[von uber]

Not playing a role; am taking the accepted task allowed by the ToS. And considering that folks seem to know that I do not care for profanity, it should not be too surprising that when seen that I report it, esp when it is apparently posted purposely in a topical thread like this.

Except when you do it eh?