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[Mirrman70]

Interesting how the majority of people who don't desire such vernacular are being civil, whereas the majority of those who do have resorted to personal insults and mocking. So much for swearing and profanity being a sign of maturity.

maturity is subjective. You are trying to call me immature in a subtle manner but all I am reading are the words of a so called "cultured" individual trying demean others for their frequent use of free speech. Censorship is an aspect of totalitarianism that I don't ****** want. If people want to ****** swear let them ****** swear. If crime boss doesn't want you to **** with her, then don't **** with her. But just because I don't see the point of trying to go through my entire vocabulary in a single day and would rather use the slang and terminology of the common people of the world doesn't mean that you should imply that the use of such language is childish and lacking in complexity. A false sense of superiority over another just because you choose to speak like a posh member of the social elite is far more sophomoric than someone who just likes to swear.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Passive-aggressive denunciation is in contrast a sign of a well balanced and developed mind.

I'm not being aggressive or condemning, but rather merely being observant, thus not partaking in passive-aggressive denunciation.

[Steelcan]

Interesting how the majority of people who don't desire such vernacular are being civil, whereas quite a few of those who do have resorted to personal insults and mocking. So much for swearing and profanity being a sign of maturity.

Swearing and profanity are not inherently a marker of maturity, but to write characters who don't swear for no reason other than "it sounds immature" is just downright silly.

 

They are however often used in how people talk everyday.  They are useful for a variety of purposes in regards to characterization and so on.

[Lady Luminous]

I think it can be very powerful when used in the right situation, and I'm absolutely fine when NPC's use cussing, but I want control over the language my own character uses.

DA:I irritated me when the option was something like "I don't know what to say", but then my character said "Well, ****." And she was not the kind of woman to speak like that.

[Evamitchelle]

I'm fine with the level of swearing we had in the past games. Have some characters who swear (James and Jack drop the F-bomb a couple of times) and some who don't (Kaidan uses 'fricking'). It adds to characterization. Could use an option for the PC to swear as well though. 

[Kroitz]

Swearing and profanity are not inherently a marker of maturity, but to write characters who don't swear for no reason other than "it sounds immature" is just downright silly.

 

They are however often used in how people talk everyday.  They are useful for a variety of purposes in regards to characterization and so on.

 

Agreed. Having a group or a character who actively tries or is simply devoid of rough language can be interesting, but he/she needs contrast to make that even a personality or a trait, just as it's the other way around.

[Yaroub]

I'm delicate.

[LightningPoodle]

Yes to swearing. When you build characters that are as varied as they are in a BioWare game, you have to take inspiration from people in the real world. Not everyone swears, but a lot of people do. I'd say more than most. So if you want characters that are relatable, you have to include things like swearing, amongst other things no matter how little they may be, and that some people are just not going to want. It's unavoidable, unless your goal is to only sell to the "mature intellectuals with a wealthier understanding of the English language."

[Lady Artifice]

I'm not being aggressive or condemning, but rather merely being observant, thus not partaking in passive-aggressive denunciation.

 

"Interesting how this group of people are conducting themselves poorly," is a passive aggressive setup for an observation ("passive" being a key word there), especially when the group in question is advocating a position you disagree with. It's an insulting appraisal of your opposition, Hanako, and it doesn't really do any of us any good. It just turns into a case of two opposing sides who can nettle and provoke each other until it devolves into a debate over which side is the worst. 

 

We'd have more constructive discussion if we focus on the topic itself.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

"Interesting how this group of people are conducting themselves poorly," is a passive aggressive setup for an observation ("passive" being a key word there), especially when the group in question is advocating a position you disagree with. It's an insulting appraisal of your opposition, Hanako, and it doesn't really do any of us any good. It just turns into a case of two opposing sides who can nettle and provoke each other until it devolves into a debate over which side is the worst. 

 

We'd have more constructive discussion if we focus on the topic itself.

And yet you don't address the people who did blatant personal insults and mocking of those they disagree with. I guess since you agree with their position it is okay for them to do that, and only when the other side does something that can be seen as a minor example of such(incorrectly by the way) does it become a problem. I've been focusing on the topic.

[This is the End My Friend]

You know what I think about swearing? I think it's weird that the Bioware games are full of cussing these days, but the official forums for those same games... don't allow cussing. That's a headscratcher.

 

That's not quite true anymore, the language filter on this the latest version of the BioWare forums is completely ***

Modifié par BioWareMod07, 03 janvier 2016 - 11:11 .
removed profanity

[GoldenGail3]

Interesting how the majority of people who don't desire such vernacular are being civil, whereas quite a few of those who do have resorted to personal insults and mocking. So much for swearing and profanity being a sign of maturity.

I'm always nice - Dorian.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Agreed. Having a group or a character who actively tries or is simply devoid of rough language can be interesting, but he/she needs contrast to make that even a personality or a trait, just as it's the other way around.

You can have contrasts in ways that don't involve language. I've experienced groups of people in fiction where none of them use such vocabulary and yet every member was still interesting. 

[Lady Artifice]

And yet you don't address the people who did blatant personal insults and mocking of those they disagree with. I guess since you agree with their position it is okay for them to do that, and only when the other side does something that can be seen as a minor example of such(incorrectly by the way) does it become a problem. I've been focusing on the topic.

 

I don't think it's okay for anyone to do it. Anyone choosing to malign their opposition rather than debate the issue are helping to make things more tense, as far as I'm concerned, and if anything, I'm more embarrassed by the ones who do it on my "side."  

 

If I'm singling you out over others, it's because I have more faith in your ability to be reasoned with. 

[Dalakaar]

There should be some adult language. It is after all language that we all hear in everyday life. Sometimes it can also add more color to dialogue or better emphasize the character's emotional state than more tame words that convey the same meaning.

 

That said it also shouldn't be over-used. Just like with nudity or portrayals of violence or gore or other mature content, it should never be gratuitous. 

This.

 

Although I'd add that and medium that is devoid of profanity generally has a steeper hill to climb to achieve excellence in my view than others that manage it well.

 

If you put the kid gloves on you're going to get sit at the kid table. And while I occasionally like kids movies, I expect more from my usual entertainment.

 

That being said I have plenty of friends now that have children. So weighing that, I'd say, make it an option like [Gore] can be. But if I pick the gory option, I don't need gratuity... the word *** can actually have a measure of elegance when used, "just so". Yet it takes artistry to use profanity well. I respect that candour writers can achieve with it.

Modifié par BioWareMod07, 03 janvier 2016 - 11:15 .
removed profanity.

[GoldenGail3]

I don't think it's okay for anyone to do it. Anyone choosing to malign their opposition rather than debate the issue are helping to make things more tense, as far as I'm concerned, and if anything, I'm more embarrassed by the ones who do it on my "side."  
 
If I'm singling you out over others, it's because I have more faith in your ability to be reasoned with.

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To that last sentence.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

That's not quite true anymore, the language filter on this the latest version of the BioWare forums is completely

Isn't it still against the rules though? Or did things change when the mods were replaced by "BiowareMod##" clones?

[Gileadan]

Well, the option for profanity should be there in case I desire to roleplay a more angry / impatient / easily frustrated character... something I couldn't really do in DA:I for example because the closest to that I could get was "neutral with a grain of grumpy". Please, not again.

 

Of course, the opposite option of using euphemisms should also be available... you know, the kind of speech where people say that someone is "using" when they mean "drug addict".

[SentinelMacDeath]

how much swearing are we talking about anyways? A constant stream of profanity would actually bother me, it would bother me IRL too if someone just keeps on swearing for no other reason than to swear. It's not that I have anything against swearing ... by the Maker I swear enough but you gotta mix it up you know? Make use of the words I learned and am still learning. 

[GoldenGail3]

Maker I swear enough

Skyrim reference insert; By the Nine Divines....

[Sartoz]

How would it diminish a character? I'd say you could consider one's use of language a character trait. That might mean you have less affinity with a certain character, but that shouldn't necessarily diminish their personality.

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Hm..

Let's say that I had the wonder of working with an individual whose every 3rd or 4th word was a truly expletive-deleted one.  So, you couldn't have a conversation or have the person in a meeting, regardless of the brilliant mind behind the gutter mouth. So, yes, this wonderful gem diminished itself in front of me with the unfortunate result that the brilliant mind became a lonely one.

 

Now, the occasional utterance at the right moment can add an effect suitable to the occasion which frankly I don't really mind but outside "the proper moment"  I do.  For example:  Free speech does  not permit hate speech nor would anyone want to hear a gutter mouth use profanity in front of small children... for the simple reason it's wrong and totally unnecessary.

 

BTW, does anyone here believe that a lack of profanity will reduce game sales? Conversely, will profanity increase game sales? Finally, does the exclusion or inclusion affect your perception (positive or negative) of a Mass Effect game? In other words, will you miss the profanity if it's not there?

[Oni Changas]

ME2 had a great balance, Jack mostly notwithstanding. Though it made sense for a young career criminal with no proper upbringing to drop f-bombs. I'd like for Ryder to get at least one in Andromeda. I always thought it was cool when Shepard cursed.

[Ahglock]

I'm fine either way though I wish if they were going to add swearing they would have develop their own slang like Shadowrun(at least for most editions) Frag, slot, Drek, buzz etc.

[SolNebula]

These type of debates are like asking to yourself how much salt you like in your meal. If you have none your food is quite tasteless and boring however if you put too much salt your food taste bad. A smidge of salt is required in all recipes even in some sweet ones.

[Seboist]

If swearing can produce something as comical as "gobble gobble MFer" like in Gears of War, then it's fine by me.