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[Han Shot First]

Why do most people who are offended by profanity or nudity in video games, seemingly have no issue with the violent content of these same games?

[Elhanan]

Why do most people who are offended by profanity or nudity in video games, seemingly have no issue with the violent content of these same games?

Same reason as those that aren't continue to ask this same question: personal choice.

[Lady Luminous]

Same reason as those that aren't continue to ask this same question: personal choice.

A sensible answer trying to explain the position would be really appreciated.

Personal choice doesn't answer the question in the slightest!

[Han Shot First]

Same reason as those that aren't continue to ask this same question: personal choice.

 

It seems a bit odd though, considering murder is usually seen as more objectionable than sex or salty language.

[Kierro Ren]

Why do most people who are offended by profanity or nudity in video games, seemingly have no issue with the violent content of these same games?

 

American society in a nutshell... well world society, but still.

Gladiator times = Armored/barely armored men and women (slaves, prisoners, deserters), fought each other and beasts to the death. Blood, guts, and nudity on occasion... Rome wasn't very sensitive  It was Rome's family past time, like Football is the US's, Brazil's is soccer, or England's Cricket... Today, see a side boob, little Joe's mother sues studio... *Force face palms*

[Laughing_Man]

As for swearing, still against it in entertainment, as there are other better alternatives.

 

Care to elaborate about those better alternatives?

 

Swearing is simply highly realistic when using certain types of characters. All I got from you is: I would prefer not to see those characters.

 

Essentially, you are willing to compromise the integrity and realism of the world in the game, by removing any kind of character that

offends your gentle nature.

 

Do you think that it's fair to everyone else that plays the game?

Especially considering that the universe as it was established is quite different than your vision of a perfect game?

 

You are not providing an opinion on the development of a new franchise, you are trying to change something that already exists and has

a fan following due its existing qualities.

 

 

Same reason as those that aren't continue to ask this same question: personal choice.

 

You are choosing to be offended? Well, I guess that sheds new light on the issue.

[Elhanan]

It seems a bit odd though, considering murder is usually seen as more objectionable than sex or salty language.

As a rule, I avoid murder in my games, though I do kill many in self-defense, war, etc. Exceptions are made when playing some Evil characters (eg; Storm of the Century in Dwarven Assembly). And I also use the Gore toggle; hope to do so with Language filter in future games.

[Iakus]

Not opposed to it, as long as it's used judiciously.  Swearing and harsh language should be a punctuation.  A sign of intense emotion.  Use it in casual language and you get numb to it.  It loses all meaning.

 

As an example, Renegade Shepard's threat to castrate  Elias Kelham and "sell his b*alls to a krogan" was an explosive moment, with Shepard's language demonstrating just how violent he/she was prepared to be to expedite the process.

 

Jack in ME2, otoh, her casual dropping of the f-bomb and such just got boring after a while.  It served to purpose than to say "Hey, I'm dark and edgy, if my tats and lack of clothing isn't a big enough clue"

[Laughing_Man]

Jack in ME2, otoh, her casual dropping of the f-bomb and such just got boring after a while.  It served to purpose than to say "Hey, I'm dark and edgy, if my tats and lack of clothing isn't a big enough clue"

 

But that's her character, she grew in a cage, never got a real education, lived as an outlaw, went to prison.

 

What did you expect? Shakespeare? (funny actually, she tries writing poetry, as apparent from the Shadow Broker files...)

[FKA_Servo]

As ever, I regard artfully employed profanity as one of life's great pleasures. And I can think of plenty of characters, from Bioware specifically, who would be lesser were it not for their penchant for cursing and blasphemy. "Big gul dern heroes" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

 

I hope this thread hits 200 pages like the other one did, and I also hope that Bioware continues to ignore it.

[Lady Luminous]

As a rule, I avoid murder in my games, though I do kill many in self-defense, war, etc. Exceptions are made when playing some Evil characters (eg; Storm of the Century in Dwarven Assembly). And I also use the Gore toggle; hope to do so with Language filter in future games.

Are you saying you don't consider war murder? Or have I misread your post?

[Akrabra]

Are you saying you don't consider war murder? Or have I misread your post?

Also add to that, what is self defense. If you attack first, even in war, you are the murderer. 

[von uber]

Oh god don't start with this toggle bollocks again.

[Laughing_Man]

Are you saying you don't consider war murder? Or have I misread your post?

 

I happen to agree with him on this. There is a stark difference between murder, and killing in self defense.

War is somewhere between the two, as long as a soldier is not simply shooting innocents for fun.

[Laughing_Man]

Also add to that, what is self defense. If you attack first, even in war, you are the murderer. 

 

I would disagree. Attacking (from an ambush as an example) first a hostile force that intends to do you harm, is not murder, it's called being realistic.

 

For example: In SW, when Han originally shot Greedo first, he was not a murderer, since Greedo obviously intended to shoot him.

[Lady Luminous]

I happen to agree with him on this. There is a stark difference between murder, and killing in self defense.
War is somewhere between the two, as long as a soldier is not simply shooting innocents for fun.

Murder may not be a correct term, but it's still killing a large number of people. They may not be innocents, but you're still killing.

[Iakus]

But that's her character, she grew in a cage, never got a real education, lived as an outlaw, went to prison.

 

What did you expect? Shakespeare? (funny actually, she tries writing poetry, as apparent from the Shadow Broker files...)

Even given her background, it was over the top.

 

Look at other "rough around the edges" characters:  Isabela.  Sera.  Zaed.  Grunt.  Like I said, some swearing can add color to a character.  But too much just saturates anything interesting about them

 

As ever, I regard artfully employed profanity as one of life's great pleasures. And I can think of plenty of characters, from Bioware specifically, who would be lesser were it not for their penchant for cursing and blasphemy. "Big gul dern heroes" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

 

Like I said, nothing wrong with using it for emphasis.  But too much can be like a buffalo chicken wrap with too much sriracha sauce:  It can ruin the whole thing

 

 

I hope this thread hits 200 pages like the other one did, and I also hope that Bioware continues to ignore it.

I have no doubt as to the latter part, at least

[Laughing_Man]

Murder may not be a correct term, but it's still killing a large number of people. They may not be innocents, but you're still killing.

 

And I bet there are going to be some psychological consequences from something like this, but it's still not a murder. Not as I understand the term anyway.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why do most people who are offended by profanity or nudity in video games, seemingly have no issue with the violent content of these same games?

I would still love to have non-lethal ways to deal with hostiles. I just finished Feros again and being able to use the gas grenades to avoid killing the Zhu's Hope colonists is one of my favorite gameplay moments in the trilogy. 

[Lady Luminous]

And I bet there are going to be some psychological consequences from something like this, but it's still not a murder. Not as I understand the term anyway.

No, you're correct. It's a form of justifiable homicide; I just think that someone wanting to avoid murder would want to avoid as much killing as possible in general.

[Laughing_Man]

I would still love to have non-lethal ways to deal with hostiles. I just finished Feros again and being able to use the gas grenades to avoid killing the Zhu's Hope colonists is one of my favorite gameplay moments in the trilogy. 

 

In this situation it was great, but it's not realistic in every scenario, not when your enemies are wearing heavy space-rated armor and shooting at you with automatic railguns. You also need to take into account the possibility of "disabled" enemies waking up and rejoining the fight from behind you.

[FKA_Servo]

Like I said, nothing wrong with using it for emphasis.  But too much can be like a buffalo chicken wrap with too much sriracha sauce:  It can ruin the whole thing

 

This is obviously true.

 

To speak to your example of Jack up top - I thought it was a little inorganic with her (and the Aria line - with all the dramatic dressing her F bomb received), but I chalked it up to A) Bioware's general (and well-known) issues with presentation, and B ) testing the water with their audience (and the limits of the M rating - looking at an M rated game in 2005, 2010, and 2015, it's like a different lifetime). Other characters - Zaeed, James, Blackwall come to mind - are a lot more natural and comfortable. A little more like they're talking as opposed to reciting dialogue. I don't know if that changed for Jack in ME3, because I can't for the life of me remember much of anything from her cameo.

[Iakus]

Why do most people who are offended by profanity or nudity in video games, seemingly have no issue with the violent content of these same games?

Why do you assume that?

[Lady Luminous]

Why do you assume that?

Likely because they've played so many hours over the course of a trilogy?

[Laughing_Man]

Why do you assume that?

 

At least in some cases it's a fact.