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[Obadiah]

So is there a Lyrium speculation thread somewhere? Just came across the green crystal stuff in the Hissing Wastes, and am curious what people think about this.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

If you do Champions of the Just you have to go get some lyrium for the Templars so they can do a ritual.  IIRC they drink it from little bottles. 

Well it didn't seemed a bottle to me,more like a cryogenic container of something

[Gervaise]

The nature of lyrium seems to have altered in the minds of the writers.   In World of Thedas 1 it is stated to be a blue-green crystal and specifically it is a mineral, the only non-living thing, that contains the essence of magic.   Once mined it can be refined either by dissolving the crystal in liquid or heating it until it crumbles into a fine powder, after which it is safe to use, with caution.   So presumably you can either buy it in solution or more likely as a power, which you can then dissolve into liquid for easier use as a potion.

 

The problem is they have now said that lyrium is not a non-living mineral but an organic substance, literally the blood of a Titan.  Likewise the red lyrium is alive, which is why it can grow on any living thing, a bit like a fungus.   So presumably the crystal that dwarves mine is a bit like the crystalised residue from where the blood has flowed through rocks and then solidified.  

 

As for the kit that Cullen uses, I think they just went with something that looked like a kit that an addict would use.   It looked very like what appears in an episode of Sherlock Holmes (old series that takes place in the original setting); who was of course addicted to cocaine and injected it.      In Asunder, Evangeline carries around small vials of lyrium with her, that she has to take on a regular basis to keep her sanity, but it would seem only a few drops are necessary at a time.  

[thepiebaker]

They mention that the templars try and experiment with different types of lyrium and it's refinement. So they may have injected variants.

Though I've always considered that templars are artificial mages trained in anti spell spells.

[Absafraginlootly]

For real! Injecting anything straight into your veins, especially a substance that makes people crazy just through contact, is a bad idea no matter how diluted.

Imagine that with the implications of The Descent DLC. If the Templars do use lyrium intravenously and lyrium is the blood of the Titans, then? Templar abilities are from the Stone?

 

So this is a bit off topic, but I just beat Descent so it's fresh on my mind. I had that thought too! If all lyrium is tied to magic and the Fade, but all lyrium is Titan blood... Does that imply a strong link between the earth and the realm of magic? The Titans shaped the earth, the earth shaped the surface, and the surface shaped the Fade, all at once and interwoven. There's mention in Trespasser that the Fade and this realm were once one and the same before the Veil was created and everything was easily formed. I figured the earth, the source of everything, would be tied in. Then again, I have a larger theory that all the religions are partial truths of a larger story so who knows.

 

Some in game quotes that seem relevant to this:

 

Inquisitor: Can you tell me more about how the templars feel to you?

Cole: They feel older than they look. They've been changed, and their bodies are incomplete now. The Lyrium helps, but their bodies always want to connect to... something older. Bigger than they are. That's why they block magic. They reach for that other thing, and magic has no room to come in.

 

                                                                                                                                                     

 

Inquisitor: You cast some kind of spell. That shouldn’t be possible.

Valta: I wasn’t a spell, it was… an accident. Everything will be fine.

 

 

 

These seem to imply that the powers that the Titans grant Valta are not the same as the Magic mages use, and that Templar powers stem from the Titans power (or them reaching towards it) rather than magic.

 

So either the way templars use lyrium changes the effect, or lyrium reacts differently depending on whether the person using is mage or mundane?

 

The nature of lyrium seems to have altered in the minds of the writers.   In World of Thedas 1 it is stated to be a blue-green crystal and specifically it is a mineral, the only non-living thing, that contains the essence of magic.   Once mined it can be refined either by dissolving the crystal in liquid or heating it until it crumbles into a fine powder, after which it is safe to use, with caution.   So presumably you can either buy it in solution or more likely as a power, which you can then dissolve into liquid for easier use as a potion.

 

The problem is they have now said that lyrium is not a non-living mineral but an organic substance, literally the blood of a Titan.  Likewise the red lyrium is alive, which is why it can grow on any living thing, a bit like a fungus.   So presumably the crystal that dwarves mine is a bit like the crystalised residue from where the blood has flowed through rocks and then solidified.  

 

As for the kit that Cullen uses, I think they just went with something that looked like a kit that an addict would use.   It looked very like what appears in an episode of Sherlock Holmes (old series that takes place in the original setting); who was of course addicted to cocaine and injected it.      In Asunder, Evangeline carries around small vials of lyrium with her, that she has to take on a regular basis to keep her sanity, but it would seem only a few drops are necessary at a time.  

 

The WoT books are like the codex entries, they are written from an in-universe perspective, therefore they can be wrong. Before Branka's research and the revelations of Descent, no one knew that lyrium was alive. Most people in Thedas probably still don't know it.

 

 

 

As for Cullen's lyrium kit, I've always assumed that lyrium comes in multiple forms and that whilst liquid works well for mages who use it sparingly, and is the quickest form to take in combat. Templars, who need to take it regularly, might instead use lyrium dust (something we had as loot in DAO which could be a potion ingredient or used as is) which probably travels better than liquid in glass flasks, even if it might take longer to use as it requires preparation. This is pure speculation, I have no evidence.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Here is a demonstration of how Templars consume Lyrium.

 

[RoseLawliet]

In origins you made lyrium potions.  Here's the recipe:  http://dragonage.wik...m_Potion_Recipe

 

I'd just really like to know why, way back in Origins, lyrium dust is red. http://dragonage.wik...iki/Lyrium_Dust