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Do you think we will ever see the Hero of Ferelden again?


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Even definitively killing off a surviving HoF, onscreen or off, would probably cause a giant sh*tstorm.

 

 

When you think about it, the Conclave was a hell of a missed opportunity:

 

Imagine the Fade sequence from Inquisition, but with this added twist:

 

Inquisitor starts regaining his/her memory

-> Flashback: Inquisitor walks in a room where HoF and Corypheus are fighting

-> Inquisitor see HoF gaining the upper hand

-> Corypheus is slain, the orb roll to the Inquisitor's feet

-> Inquisitor picks the orb, then watches in horror as Corypheus starts possessing the HoF

-> HoF turns into Corypheus 2.0, while the Orb activates and blows the Conclave

 

Lo and Behold, the HoF is dead and gone for good, while millions of players have their Dragon Age's red-wedding-moment.


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There are two major hurdles for this.

1. An NPC wouldn't be good enough. (S)he would need to be a playable character.
2. No death, plz.

That said, I hope we get to see him/her again. The Hero of Ferelden is my favorite playable character in any game, ever. I bonded with them.

Hmm. Attachment might have been a better word than bond. I bonded with the Mass Effect companions.

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There are two major hurdles for this.

1. An NPC wouldn't be good enough. (S)he would need to be a playable character.
2. No death, plz.

That said, I hope we get to see him/her again. The Hero of Ferelden is my favorite playable character in any game, ever. I bonded with them.

Hmm. Attachment might have been a better word than bond. I bonded with the Mass Effect companions.

100% agree!


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Bioware should stop to push those kind of contrived nonsense to pamper Gaider personal Mary sue,

My warden never needed to find a cure in the first place and absolutely never cared to follow the informations of someone of whom he strongly despise such as Morrigan,he would have go to Avernus and remained locked into that tower rather than go into the Far-West to lose 10 years of his life.

 

The key is to figure out how to work the cure into your Hero's storyline. My first Hero, a Cousland who is king (and personality-wise like the type of character you stated above) is obviously trying to cure himself and other Wardens who don't want to be Wardens and who don't want to die before their time. My secondary character, an evil bloodmage who drank Avernus' Power of Blood concoction has no need of the cure and would never take it himself to undo all the power he has gained through the taint. In fact, he believes the taint should be exploited and researched, which is why he spared Avernus and encouraged more unethical experiments. But his motive for finding the cure is entirely self-absorbed. He will research the cure to figure out how it works, since he may be able to exploit that magic as well. And at the very least he would be able to sell the cure to Wardens one by one for profit. Honestly, DA2's reveal of Avernus' research being shared with the Grey Wardens in Weisshaupt was more difficult to explain for my evil character than the cure storyline was. So there must be something about the cure that your Heroes can see as valuable to them.

 

All I want is to see the Warden once more,that's all......it's not BioWare's fault,they've done more than enough.It might sounds like a complete fantasy,but I would love to see a "Dragon Age:Origins 2" or something like that in the future,which is all about the Warden...but anyway,I love the fact that BioWare is taking their time,because the last thing I want is a self destruct team like Resident Evil's current team,I don't want fast food on this.

 

I don't know about once more. I think if they are going to put in the work to bring back the Hero, then they might as well make the Hero a recurring character. Seems like a waste to do all that work just to have the Hero appear once.

 

What they should do is just have a DLC quest downloadable for the Inquisition engine. You recreate your Hero and Champion, put them in a save file linked to your Inquisitor, and then you can start the new DLC with the Hero's info all set and connected to that Champion and Inquisitor, just in case they get referenced in the DLC.

 

I think BioWare could profit greatly from just producing DLC installments that forward the various side plots of the main events and the various characters. The players would also benefit from having new storyline and game levels to explore. BioWare could sell these 30 hour DLCs for like $4.99 in the Origin Store. I'd buy them, and I'm a cheapskate.

 

If they just pumping something out, no matter how good it looks and how great the technology if it doesnt have a good story and connect with its audience then its a fail...

DAO had some vision beyond the details of gameplay.  Lets see if Bioware can do it again.  Let them take the time to do it right.

 

I agree that good story is key. If they just stick to the Frostbite engine, which has already been developed for their purposes, then they won't have to design anything except new levels. And if they make most of these levels to be linear like in Trespasser, then the maps will be easier to create and they will look better (since not as much has to be rendered).

 

On one hand, they clearly don't want to bring back this character, but on the other, they have to invent increasingly convoluted excuses to keep the surviving HoFs offscreen.

 

For the time being it's not a problem: the next game will focus on Tevinter, so until southern Thedas and/or the Grey Wardens internecine conflict comes back at the forefront of the tale, the HoF has no reasons to get personally involved, which, hopefully will give the writers enough time to figure how to definitely kill all the surviving HoFs.

 

Agreed. This is especially true if you consider all backgrounds. A Cousland king or queen has every reason to be involved with their kingdom's future. A Dalish, or even a City Elf, has every reason to be connected with the events regarding the elves disappearing from all over to go follow Solas. Even a dwarven noble or commoner has reason to come back if Orzammar has learned about the titans, or if there is news coming from Kal-Sharok. A Hero who went with Morrigan? Definitely. A Hero who romanced Leliana? Definitely. The only ones who don't have a good reason are those who perhaps left with Zevran, those who don't particularly care about anything, or those who made the Ultimate Sacrifice. But I don't think going to Tevinter necessarily means the Hero has no reason to be involved. Weisshaupt is in the north as well, and any Warden might have reason to be involved with those events, especially if Alistair is the Warden leading the rebellion and the Hero is a female who romanced him. But even if they are friends, the Hero would still go. And if the Hero is alive and can be contacted, I think that the Inquisitor would contact them about it regardless. I'm not for killing any of the Heroes off. That would just anger the fanbase. Let the Heroes have their own unique happy endings. Same for the Champions and Inquisitors.

 

As much as I would love to have my Warden show up again in person (preferably in DA4, where he'd be kicking ass and taking names in Tevinter), I have to agree with this.  Even definitively killing off a surviving HoF, onscreen or off, would probably cause a giant sh*tstorm.

 

It would. And a better way to do this would be to advance the story forward by about 600 years. That way, even the Power of Blood Heroes would be dead by then. Another option is to have Solas succeed in tearing down the Veil, and then the Hero dies in the raw chaos. But even that has its problems, as those who are mages and went with Morrigan would likely be able to survive such events, with her help if nothing else.


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I wouldn't mind if, one day, my Warden just retires to serve as prince, bann, chancellor, etc... or maybe simply maintains their post as Warden-Commander of Ferelden... just as long as they don't suddenly disappear into obscurity or die.
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I wouldn't mind if, one day, my Warden just retires to serve as prince, bann, chancellor, etc... or maybe simply maintains their post as Warden-Commander of Ferelden... just as long as they don't suddenly disappear into obscurity or die.

Mine is happy to stay on as Warden-Commander, but he'd rather pass Amaranthine on to a human noble with the training to rule.  He absorbed that much of the Chantry's teachings while he was in the Circle.  "Magic should serve man, and never rule over him"... and making an elf mage (himself) the exception because he also happens to be a Grey Warden who helped stop the Fifth Blight doesn't sit well with him.



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Bioware should stop to push those kind of contrived nonsense to pamper Gaider personal Mary sue,

 

 

I wouldn't call the Warden Gaider's personal Mary Sue.

I have this pet theory that deep down, none of the Bioware writers -neither Gaider, nor Weekes, nor anyone else- were that invested in the Warden's tale: the Dragon Age series as a whole was always intended to be a retelling of the late middle ages crisis, and the Warden's tale was a deliberately archetypal, paint-by-numbers, power fantasy: the comfort food meant to attract mainstream audiences, introduce them to the game's world and make them invested enough in its lore and stories to want to come back and buy the following games that would tackle the themes and tropes the writers were really interested in.

 

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What they should do is just have a DLC quest downloadable for the Inquisition engine. You recreate your Hero and Champion, put them in a save file linked to your Inquisitor, and then you can start the new DLC with the Hero's info all set and connected to that Champion and Inquisitor, just in case they get referenced in the DLC. [...] BioWare could sell these 30 hour DLCs for like $4.99 in the Origin Store. I'd buy them, and I'm a cheapskate.

 

 

Don't kid yourself: If Bioware ever release a HoF-centric DLC , it will be a twelve hours long romp at most, and sold for 15 bucks at least


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Seriously if we can have a one handed Inquisitor why cant we have a mute HoF it could even be the side effect of the Cure for the taint!, and it could only have this effect on the HoF because everyone reacts differently to medications.



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Damn,DAO should've had another expansion pack...what happened to the Warden after Awakening? And that expansion pack could be something about the beginning of his(her) journey of finding the cure,with his(her) romanced companion of course. Then this Warden being "mute" problem would not be a problem at all. And Wynne could even be in that one,she could join the Warden's team once again and having some kind of closure of her "borrowed life"... Now there's a 99% chance that the next DA game will be about the Inquisitor and Solas... *Sigh~  :unsure:



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Not necessarily. Every game ends in a way that makes it look like the events of the sequel will be centered on the aftermath, but it's really not. When ME1 ends, you think ME2 is going to be spent trying to find ways to prepare for the Reapers, but that's ignored for Ceberus and the Collectors. DA:O makes it sound like the OGB is a huge choice that will change the world, but I think Gaider ended up regretting that (I don't blame him). DA2 makes it sound like DA:I is going to be about this worldwide war between mages and templars, but it's really not. So I wouldn't be surprised if the events of DA:I were belittled or swept under the rug in DA4.
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So I wouldn't be surprised if the events of DA:I were belittled or swept under the rug in DA4.

That is my biggest fear!! Actually when I first finished DAO,I thought DA2 would be about another Blight,and the Hero of Ferelden in DAO will be remembered as the Hero that defeated the Archdemon hundreds of years ago...but then,I was completely wrong. I don't think(or I hope not) they would swept the DAI story under the rug,the fans would go riot on that kind of bs....nah,BioWare is smart enough. But I'm fantasizing again...maybe in the future DA games there could be something about the Warden meeting his son as well...at least the OGB is my Warden's son,as a fan,that would be a mesmerizing moment...let's bring the Warden out of this mist,one way or another,BioWare plz...? :unsure:


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Truly, I want a new game where we get to play as the Hero of Ferelden. If only they could do it well enough.
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If there ever was going to be a chance to see the Warden, it would have been Dragon Age Inquisition. With that gone, however, I hightly doubt we'll get any actual cameos. A part of me would like to see them again in a Dragon Age game, in all honesty. But even if we don't get anything more, it's okay; it leaves room for headcanoning. xD



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The HoF has it happen fall into obscurity in DAI Trespasser unless it romanced Divine Leliana,in that case the warden is part of the continental gossip

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My Hero is the King of Ferelden, so there is no chance he will fall into obscurity.


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The only way to see him/her again is to replay DAO or DAA, if alive


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I don't expect to see him or her again outside of Origins and its DLC.



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JJ  Yaug,  here's what happens to  my various wardens from DA:O and DA:A.

 

Tidus returned to the Denerim Alienage after Leliana leaves to help the chantry. He becomes a drunk. He never sees Morrigan or his son but, wonders about them.

 

Camine marries a Denerim  human merchant and raises three children. She remains friends with the Royal couple.

 

Chasha returns to the Circle but,slips away and joins Lanaya's clan as her second. She dies from a fever 7 years after the blight.

 

Rikku returns to Orzammar and tires of the quiet life and leaves to join a surface Carta as a enforcer and smuggler under a assumed name.  Fate will deal her another hand in Ferelden's  troubles. She smuggled lyrium into the conclave and was caught in the explosion.

 

In the Dwarf Inquisitor game  Josephine asks about the dwarf's criminal past. 



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Even ignoring the fact that a lot of Wardens are dead, there is no reason for the Warden to return. Even if the next game suddenly becomes massively relevant to the Wardens again, there is no more reason for the HoF to be involved than any other Warden we've met so far like Stroud, Valenna, etc. 



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My Hero is the King of Ferelden, so there is no chance he will fall into obscurity.

From international point of view?
Sure why not you're king of Ferelden but they don't care about you outside of its borders (see how they didn't cared for king Alistair in Antiva and Tevinter in the comics)
It is stated that with Leliana(Trespasser the HoF is pure gossip all across southern Thedas,also is the only Warden mentioned in the Dlc)
now king+Leliana that's most popularity.


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Even ignoring the fact that a lot of Wardens are dead, there is no reason for the Warden to return. Even if the next game suddenly becomes massively relevant to the Wardens again, there is no more reason for the HoF to be involved than any other Warden we've met so far like Stroud, Valenna, etc. 

Gameplay Wise the HoF is over i think most people know it for now,this thread are more for the nostalgia sake,Laidlaw and others at Bioware already confirmed that at their twitter



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Maybe as enemy, in the Deep Roads... when the Calling takes his/her mind.



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Even ignoring the fact that a lot of Wardens are dead, there is no reason for the Warden to return. Even if the next game suddenly becomes massively relevant to the Wardens again, there is no more reason for the HoF to be involved than any other Warden we've met so far like Stroud, Valenna, etc. 

 

Found the cure for the taint. Will handle business at Weisshaupt. Solas wants to destroy the world. Rules Ferelden jointly. Morrigan. Kieran. Leliana. Is Warden-Commander of Ferelden. Could be an elf. Knows relevant stuff about the Veil, the Fade, spirits, and magic. Is a powerful kicker of asses.


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From international point of view?
Sure why not you're king of Ferelden but they don't care about you outside of its borders (see how they didn't cared for king Alistair in Antiva and Tevinter in the comics)
It is stated that with Leliana(Trespasser the HoF is pure gossip all across southern Thedas,also is the only Warden mentioned in the Dlc)
now king+Leliana that's most popularity.

 

 

Yeah but that was Alistair. And Antiva doesn't even really have royalty of their own. They are basically run by the various mobs. Tevinter considered King Maric very important, if I recall correctly.

 

If the Hero returns for a Leliana romance, it would only be after the cure is found to be true or false. Which means this should logically apply to all Heroes regardless. So the cure quest is over and the Hero will be returning by the next game. Just in time for the next game actually.



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Even ignoring the fact that a lot of Wardens are dead, there is no reason for the Warden to return. Even if the next game suddenly becomes massively relevant to the Wardens again, there is no more reason for the HoF to be involved than any other Warden we've met so far like Stroud, Valenna, etc. 

 

Actually, there is a good reason for the Warden Commander to be involved, since by now they pretty much are the highest ranking Warden in Southern Thedas, they should be the first person turn toward when things get Wardeny again...

 

Which is precisely why i certainly hope things won't get Wardeny until the writers figure how to convincingly and definitely kill the surviving HoFs