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Do you think we will ever see the Hero of Ferelden again?


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Found the cure for the taint. Will handle business at Weisshaupt. Solas wants to destroy the world. Rules Ferelden jointly. Morrigan. Kieran. Leliana. Is Warden-Commander of Ferelden. Could be an elf. Knows relevant stuff about the Veil, the Fade, spirits, and magic. Is a powerful kicker of asses.

 

Most of these apply to every Warden, and the few don't, don't apply to every HoF so can't be used.

 

Cure for the taint - relevant to every Warden. 

 

Business as Weisshaupt - could be any warden

 

Solas - literally applies to every single person in the world

 

Feraldan - equally likely to be Anora here, guess Anora should be the new main character

 

Morrigan/kiaran - sure, relevant Warden can come back to deal with those if something major happens with then, but it probably won't as Kiaran doesn't even exist in a lot of world's.

 

Leiliana - doubt she's going to play a role. If I'm wrong, sure, the few Wardens that this is relevant for can come back for that quest.

 

Warden Commander - plenty of important people in the Wardens that could take this place a lot easier. Nothing that needs to involve the HoF. We won't be anywhere near Feraldan in the first place, we're going Tevinter.

 

Elf - so every elf character needs to come back simply because they are an Elf? Not to mention, only applies to about 10% of wardens

 

Fade - what exactly do they know here?

 

So, sure, I guess they can come for the sidequest with Morrigan if they romanced her, but that's a very small minority of Wardens that need to return.


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Actually, there is a good reason for the Warden Commander to be involved, since by now they pretty much are the highest ranking Warden in Southern Thedas, they should be the first person turn toward when things get Wardeny again...

 

Which is precisely why i certainly hope things won't get Wardeny until the writers figure how to convincingly and definitely kill the surviving HoFs

 

Good job we're going north then!



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Actually, there is a good reason for the Warden Commander to be involved, since by now they pretty much are the highest ranking Warden in Southern Thedas, they should be the first person turn toward when things get Wardeny again...

Which is precisely why i certainly hope things won't get Wardeny until the writers figure how to convincingly and definitely kill the surviving HoFs

Kill? Lol, I can't imagine that going over well. It wouldn't bring ME3 levels of rage, but still wouldn't be wise.
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Abyss108,If you read any of the DA books 90% of the GW heroes has been Elves. Game wise I would say the majority favors a Elf as their PC. 

 

Three major characters we will see again is Leliana, Morrigan and Kieran.  I highly suspect we will see a show down between Leliana and Morrigan-probably in a DLC.

 

No,there won't be a mass murder of surviving HoFs.. Why would B-W want to enrage their customers?



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So This Problem Exists:

 

 

Canon.

Canonically the Warden (HoF) dies, sacrificing herself (elf female I believe rogue) in order ot slay the Archdemon and end the blight.

The only reason I know this is due to Origin client being a piece of **** I was stuck with the canon story, and heard all about it from Liliana upon inquiry.

If they were to try to reimpliment the Warden in later games for those who performed the Rit, or had it performed, they would need to impliment an entire character, voice actor, retroactive (as with Hawke) face modeling process, bit of the story line, etc..., and couldn't do anything major plot-wise with said Warden due to it clashing to much with what would be the canonical plot, in which he/she would have never, ever been involved due to dying.

I am convinced it is the reason that Alistar wasn't in the game more, and why if he was king, and you had your Warden having had married him, that she "mysteriously dissapeared" despite there being no reason for her to do so whatsoever.

I would love, LOVE a revisit to the Hero in the upcoming games, as in my opinion (which I can, have, and will back up) Origins is the only *good* Dragon Age game out there- the rest being good games, but nowhere comparing to Origins in the slightest for various reasons. 

Unfortunately, due to what would have to be retcon in order to be able to include the Warden in both the canon and non canon story line and have any sort of plot interaction that is worth both hiring a voice actor and modeling the face as with Hawke, and plot tweaking/excess exposition as to the so-called death/disappearance of said Warden, I would say this is all but impossible.



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Abyss108,If you read any of the DA books 90% of the GW heroes has been Elves. Game wise I would say the majority favors a Elf as their PC. 

 

Except Bioware released the stats for the number of players who played each race, and Elf was about 15%, certainly not 90%.

 

Even if most players picked Elf, its irrelevant, because the plot still needs to make sense for those that are not Elves. So the Warden returning because they are an Elf doesn't work.



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So This Problem Exists:


Canon.
Canonically the Warden (HoF) dies, sacrificing herself (elf female I believe rogue) in order ot slay the Archdemon and end the blight.
The only reason I know this is due to Origin client being a piece of **** I was stuck with the canon story, and heard all about it from Liliana upon inquiry.If they were to try to reimpliment the Warden in later games for those who performed the Rit, or had it performed, they would need to impliment an entire character, voice actor, retroactive (as with Hawke) face modeling process, bit of the story line, etc..., and couldn't do anything major plot-wise with said Warden due to it clashing to much with what would be the canonical plot, in which he/she would have never, ever been involved due to dying.
I am convinced it is the reason that Alistar wasn't in the game more, and why if he was king, and you had your Warden having had married him, that she "mysteriously dissapeared" despite there being no reason for her to do so whatsoever.
I would love, LOVE a revisit to the Hero in the upcoming games, as in my opinion (which I can, have, and will back up) Origins is the only *good* Dragon Age game out there- the rest being good games, but nowhere comparing to Origins in the slightest for various reasons.
Unfortunately, due to what would have to be retcon in order to be able to include the Warden in both the canon and non canon story line and have any sort of plot interaction that is worth both hiring a voice actor and modeling the face as with Hawke, and plot tweaking/excess exposition as to the so-called death/disappearance of said Warden, I would say this is all but impossible.

"Default", not "canon".
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Most of these apply to every Warden, and the few don't, don't apply to every HoF so can't be used.

 

Cure for the taint - relevant to every Warden. 

 

Business as Weisshaupt - could be any warden

 

Solas - literally applies to every single person in the world

 

Feraldan - equally likely to be Anora here, guess Anora should be the new main character

 

Morrigan/kiaran - sure, relevant Warden can come back to deal with those if something major happens with then, but it probably won't as Kiaran doesn't even exist in a lot of world's.

 

Leiliana - doubt she's going to play a role. If I'm wrong, sure, the few Wardens that this is relevant for can come back for that quest.

 

Warden Commander - plenty of important people in the Wardens that could take this place a lot easier. Nothing that needs to involve the HoF. We won't be anywhere near Feraldan in the first place, we're going Tevinter.

 

Elf - so every elf character needs to come back simply because they are an Elf? Not to mention, only applies to about 10% of wardens

 

Fade - what exactly do they know here?

 

So, sure, I guess they can come for the sidequest with Morrigan if they romanced her, but that's a very small minority of Wardens that need to return.

 

Nope, if it applies to ANY Hero, then it is relevant and is a reason for EVERY Hero's return. In other words, if even one Hero has one reason to return, then all of them must return.

 

And the Hero has the cure, so the Hero's return is assured.

 

What's going down at Weisshaupt is too much for most Wardens. The order needs the Warden-Commander.

 

But not just anyone will be able to stand against Solas. The (ex)Inquisitor will need the Hero, possibly even the Hero King of Ferelden to help stop Solas' plans.

 

Anora needs help after all that happened, and the Hero is one of Ferelden's monarchs. He will return for that if nothing else.

 

But they do exist as a family in some worldstates, therefore all Heroes must return.

 

The Hero who romanced her already returns and spends time with her. So that's that man. The Hero returns! And if the Hero returns for that, why not apply it to more than just that one thing?

 

But the Warden-Commander will be needed at Weisshaupt to deal with whatever problems they are facing, and Weisshaupt is near Tevinter. Hawke or Alistogain are there too.

 

Yes. Every elven Hero is relevant to the story because Solas is calling all elves. That makes the elven Hero a valuable person in the (ex)Inquisitor's plan to gather people who can help stop Solas.

 

The Hero has been to the Fade at least twice, possibly up to four times! The Hero is well experienced in navigating the Fade and dealing with spirits of all kinds. I will also add that many Heroes have already defeated one of the Forbidden Ones.

 

I would also add Alistair to this. He could survive Adamant and go to Weisshaupt. A female Hero who romanced him will likely meet up with him there upon returning to southern Thedas.

 

So clearly the Hero of Ferelden is incredibly relevant to the plots of the series.

 

So This Problem Exists:

 

If they were to try to reimpliment the Warden in later games for those who performed the Rit, or had it performed, they would need to impliment an entire character, voice actor, retroactive (as with Hawke) face modeling process, bit of the story line, etc..., and couldn't do anything major plot-wise with said Warden due to it clashing to much with what would be the canonical plot, in which he/she would have never, ever been involved due to dying.

 

This problem was solved in Awakening, the expansion to Origins. The Orlesian Warden-Commander has all the same race/sex/class options and all the same voice selections as the Hero. The Orlesian Warden always survives. This character can fill in for the dead Heroes.



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By this logic the HoF must have returned for DAI. 

 

The hero can be a mage - they must have returned for the conclave because that was important for all mages!

 

They must have returned to fight Cory - he's a darkspawn magister that threatens the entire world, very relevant to the HoF!

 

Etc.


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Abyss108, I never go by those stats because not every gamer was asked and that 90% was the Elven heros in the DA books. Based on the DA:O and DA:I walkthroughs on you tube I will stand by the majority of us uses Elves.


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They didn't ask. They used game telemetry systems.

 

DAO - according to David Gaider most played was human noble and human mage.

 

DAI - no telemetry data was revealed yet.


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Abyss108, I never go by those stats because not every gamer was asked and that 90% was the Elven heros in the DA books. Based on the DA:O and DA:I walkthroughs on you tube I will stand by the majority of us uses Elves.

 

Like Heimerdinger said, they didn't ask. It's automatically uploaded from the game. So they have the data of anybody who had an internet connection, which includes all those YouTube Elf players.


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They didn't ask. They used game telemetry systems.

 

DAO - according to David Gaider most played was human noble and human mage.

 

DAI - no telemetry data was revealed yet.

 

 

They actually did release race data for DAI! I believe Elves have gone up to about 30% (or that might have included other races, can't quite remember) or so but I can't find the link right now. Definitely still a minority, but there was a large increase in the number of Elves. The other 2 races were still very low.


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How about the  players without  internet connections? 

 

That's another reason I'll never hook my PS3,XBox360 or my new PS4 to the internet other then updating the system or games.. No tracking cookies.



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How about the  players without  internet connections? 

 

That's another reason I'll never hook my PS3,XBox360 or my new PS4 to the internet other then updating the system or games.. No tracking cookies.

 

What about them? They are a minority, not enough to make a 90% difference. You are also going to have to show something that suggests the stats for people without an online connection chose a character differently. Why would every single person without an internet choose Elf, when those that do have a connection choose human? Because a few YouTube players picked Elf? Compared to the millions that bought the game?  


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By this logic the HoF must have returned for DAI. 

 

The hero can be a mage - they must have returned for the conclave because that was important for all mages!

 

They must have returned to fight Cory - he's a darkspawn magister that threatens the entire world, very relevant to the HoF!

 

Etc.

 

Yes and yes: I'd argue that many mistakes where made regarding the Warden's fate:

 

  • Making his/her demise optional, turning him/her into a Shrödinger character at the same time dead and gone AND alive and influential
  • Not giving the Orlesian Commander in Awakening the room necessary to become its own character, reducing him/her to a mere placeholder
  • Bringing back the action to the Warden's home turf (Imagine if Inquisition had happened between Nevarra and Northern Orlais instead of Ferelden and Southern Orlais: the HoF could have been kept offscreen simply by having him/her busy Wardening back home. Hell, they could have pulled their original plan of making the players chose between the two previous protagonists at the end of the Fade sequence)
  • Pulling the "Cure Quest" excuse to keep him/her offscreen, without accounting for its implication (A way to make Grey Wardens immune from the Calling? As in, a way to defang the Taint, the Stuff-That-Breaks-Civilization? Seriously, no one at Bioware thought that people would demand to know more about this?)

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By this logic the HoF must have returned for DAI. 

 

The hero can be a mage - they must have returned for the conclave because that was important for all mages!

 

They must have returned to fight Cory - he's a darkspawn magister that threatens the entire world, very relevant to the HoF!

 

Etc.

 

Trumped by the importance of the cure, which has been found. And now the Hero is returning and has nothing better to do than save the entire world, again.



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Trumped by the importance of the cure, which has been found. And now the Hero is returning and has nothing better to do than save the entire world, again.

 

Right, finding the cure was more important than stopping Cory destroy the entire world. That future Redcliffe is fine, just so long as the precious Warden doesn't have to hear the Calling.



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Trumped by the importance of the cure, which has been found. 

Where in your headcanon?


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Right, finding the cure was more important than stopping Cory destroy the entire world. That future Redcliffe is fine, just so long as the precious Warden doesn't have to hear the Calling.

 

The Hero didn't know anything about Corypheus until he received the Inquisitor's letter. By then he was already too far away to return, and even if he had, Cory may have been able to influence him, thus making him a liability. So yes, the cure is more important for the Hero.

 

Where in your headcanon?

 

It is shown in the epilogue that the Hero who romanced Leliana returns from the quest and spends a lot of time with her. This can only be if the mission was successful. Since this success must happen regardless of worldstate, it means every Hero must have succeeded.



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The Hero didn't know anything about Corypheus until he received the Inquisitor's letter. By then he was already too far away to return, and even if he had, Cory may have been able to influence him, thus making him a liability. So yes, the cure is more important for the Hero.

 

 

It is shown in the epilogue that the Hero who romanced Leliana returns from the quest and spends a lot of time with her. This can only be if the mission was successful. Since this success must happen regardless of worldstate, it means every Hero must have succeeded.

 

And in the next game the Hero will be too far away in Feralden to help in Tevinter. The hero returned because the fans bitched about the Warden not being with their LI. All the epilogue said was that they continued their affair but had to spend time apart. If the hero is traveling to find the cure, they probably passed through the same areas and spent a few days together. That's doesn't suggests the hero has found anything.

 

You can repeat the hero found the cure as much as you want, it isn't backed up by anything. But you have fun with your fanfiction!  :)  



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It is shown in the epilogue that the Hero who romanced Leliana returns from the quest and spends a lot of time with her. This can only be if the mission was successful. Since this success must happen regardless of worldstate, it means every Hero must have succeeded.

That's not a certainty it may also be that the Warden path and Leliana's path crossed for a time and they decided simply to spend some time together.
Leliana only say that they met from time to time.
My suggestion for the HoF,if they want to find a cure instead to rely upon Morrigan's clue they better ask to Solas.


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No . they made it clear that HOF is not coming back .
they dont have plans for him for the next games .
so keep your Hero dead  its the best choice  



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You can repeat the hero found the cure as much as you want, it isn't backed up by anything. But you have fun with your fanfiction!  :)


And we'll be saying the same thing to you when the Inquistor isn't the PC next game, becuase we don't know really.
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And we'll be saying the same thing to you when the Inquistor isn't the PC next game, becuase we don't know really.

 

I've never said the Inquisitor will be the next PC. I want the Inquisitor to be the PC, and I think there is a chance this could happen, but I don't go around telling people this is confirmed. It's equally likely we'll have a new PC and I've never said otherwise. Please tell me where I've said otherwise?


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