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[Dai Grepher]

The thing is - for those who have their HOF alive, they are going to want the option to recreate their character. Then there is the voice - not everyone wants their warden talking, then there is the weapons. My Hawke was daggers in II yet she was archery in Inquisition (Despite the act I never used a bow or put any points into archery).

 

Then of course - there are those who have different Wardens.

 

My City Elf disappeared, wanting to have nothing to do with the Grey Wardens so I certainly don't want to see her as a Warden or working with the Wardens because she hated them.

 

My Human Noble married Alistair and is his Queen so I can accept her being at his side if he was to make an appearance in a future game but not without him. There is no reason for her to be away from him if she has found the cure (including Grey Wardens because she became a Queen and made Alistair a King precisely the reason to keep them away from the Grey Warden - Awakening screwed that up which is why I never play it with my Cousland).

 

My Mage Elf romanced Leliana so I wouldn't be surprised to have her at Leliana's side in a future game (still no ties to Grey Wardens because she ran as fast as she could to get away from them).

 

My Human Noble, who romanced Morrigan, would have an excuse not to be at Morrigan's side, he could be looking after their son if Morrigan shows up in a future game or is happily retired (and hopefully having more children with Morrigan).

 

Plus - not everyone was happy with Hawke in Inquisition because they weren't their character. My Hawke were usually a mixture of personalities so being constricted to one actually threw her off balance.

 

I think - if I can't play as my HOF, I don't want them in a future game because they won't be my character, they will be Bioware's and I don't trust them with our HOF after Hawke.

 

Most who want their Hero back in DA4 have already recreated their Heroes in the DA:I character creator. The voice actors from Origins can be brought back, or a suitable replacement in the case of Robin Sachs. The weapon switch in DA:I for Hawke was a blunder. However, there is a secret way to fix it. When I showed up at the cave she had daggers, not a bow as she was supposed to. So I reloaded to before I walked up to the cave, and she had a bow. So I saved it there and she kept it. Then the same case in the Western Approach. And same again with the meeting in the hall leading to the War Room. Had to reload until she had her bow. Then I saved and continued on, and she kept it. Same thing at Adamant when I went out to fight the demons on the roof, but I think she may have had her bow that time. But then the part where we meet up again, she was stuck with daggers no matter how many times I reloaded. But after that battle I could reload and she would have her bow for the fight around the rift. From here she had her bow all the way through the Fade, right up until after beating the aspect of the Nightmare, then the game gave her daggers for some reason (probably in case I picked the option to have her stay behind and fight the Nightmare). And so in the final scene with her at Adamant she had daggers. That's just BioWare screwing up.

 

The Keep reflects all the various Wardens.

 

Well you're in luck. The Wardens seem to be in a civil war of sorts. So your city elf may be able to help overthrow them. In any case, your elf is searching for the cure, and intends to share it with other Wardens who want to be free of the taint.

 

But the situation with the Wardens could end up hurting Ferelden. The Wardens may try to come after Alistair, or try to call him to service. So settling things in Weisshaupt would benefit your Queen Cousland. Even if you don't care about the Wardens, the Inquisitor needs strong allies to help save the world from Solas.

 

Same with all your other Heroes. Every one of them has an interest in saving the world.

 

Obviously BioWare should bring back the Hero, and do it right. The odds of doing it right increase the more control the players have to recreate the Hero in the game's character creator.

 

SugarBabe49,That's the way I feel.. If I can't have Tidus ,Camine or Chasha  as I designed them then no. That's why I like Awakening so much since it tells a after story of the warden. I import my warden. In my fan story Tidus and Leliana was in Kirkwall when the GWs finally found him.

 

It would been nice if B-W did a DLC of the warden and Leliana's travels instead of The Darkspawn Chronicles.

 

I'm sure we would have the option to recreate them in the character creator.

[SugarBabe49]

It's mostly a control thing - I want the option to play my HOF, not have them as a companion for another hero - like Hawke was because she never came off 'right' to me. 

 

If Bioware were to bring back the HOF, then I want to play as them because I don't trust Bioware not to screw it up basically. Would I love to have them back? Yes. But not in the hands of Bioware.

[Dai Grepher]

I would trust BioWare with my Hero, so long as I had a lot of input into his personality and beliefs.
 
Keep should be updated to reflect the Hero's opinions on various things, such as the Grey Wardens, bloodmagic, the elves, mages, templars, the Chantry, religious belief, etc.
 
It should also give the option to select who we romanced, in detail. Including multiple characters, such as Leliana and Morrigan, even if it only allows for one first, and then the other separately. I would also like Anora to be an option in the Keep for those who played a King Cousland.
 
I think DA4 should have the Hero as an NPC. And then in DA5, all the protags from Origins through DA4 and all are playable. And the game ends with an epic battle in the Black City with all four protags in the same party fighting the ultimate evil characters.

[Tidus]

Dai,Tidus,Camine and Chasha are Elves and Rikku is a Dwarf Brand. I would not want B-W to miss them up with a hume or whatever they fancy.

 

My humes Ashley  and Wesley (used once) are your normal looking Humes .  Ashley has blond hair and light green eyes and Wesley has brown hair and brown eyes. My one and only Qunari female  has human color skin,red hair(because Bull likes red heads) and green eyes-her mother is Qunari and her father human. Audre is hornless.

[Calasade]

Not going to happen unfortunately. EA will give the excuse it's because too many gamers chose for their Warden to die, blah, blah, blah, which could be overcome in a world of magic. Hey, Bioware has done things that stretch the suspension of disbelief tighter than that. But in truth, no way is the Warden returning with Laidlaw in control.

[Tidus]

Calasade,B-W has done some dumb things in their story lines that doesn't make sense.. Maybe they need writers that can stay focus on the story line and improve the possible answers or questions.

 

One of the most glaring is Leliana.. In DA:I when asked about her past she skipped the part of her helping the HoF in the blight. At one point she mentions the hero being female-Morrigan just says "her warden". Why didn't the writers do that for Leliana since there are unknown thousands of male HoF that is still alive and kicking?

 

Would it been better not to have a option so the warden can live? I dunno. I don't recall any hero in the Final Fantasy series dying-Tidus in FF10 was a creation of dreams by the Fayths. He returns in FF10-2.

 

Then in DA:I there's that possible dumb question asked by a Elvan Inquisitor "What's a knife ear?" It would be impossible for a Elf not to know that term. A minor omission from the Elvan Inquisitor possible questions would have been far better and cost little since the writers and programmers still receive their pay..

 

I love playing DA:O and DA:I and I'm looking forward to DA:4  but, there are times I want to bang my head against my gaming table because of the stupid mistakes in the story line.

[German Soldier]

i think it's impossible

[Tidus]

German Solider, Not if B-W thinks there's money to be made. A DLC may sell unknown thousands of copies.

[Inkvisiittori]

If they bring the Hero back they need hire new voice actors. At least four like for the Inquisitor because of the multiple races. Also how would they bring him back? As an NPC like Hawke with a set personality? Or a playable character? Why and how? Some of the non-elven Wardens are also getting quite old soon. Especially the warriors and rogues will probably become slower and not as effective as they were when they were younger. So how interesting would playing that be?

 

I'm personally very happy with the way the Warden has been handled so far. He's is one of the most important persons in the history of Thedas and will never be forgotten. I'm very happy with the headcanon I have for him and have no need for him to return as a playable character. It would also be weird because it's been so long since Origins. What reason would they have to bring back the protagonist from the first game?

 

I like that there is a little bit of mystery around the Warden... why did he disappear after the events of Awakening? Where did he go? What has happened to him since? If they brought him back they would probably have to answer those questions... and I don't want that. I prefer my own story for him. But I also understand people who think otherwise. Still, I agree with German Soldier and believe it's impossible for the Warden ever to return. They could be dead, they could be Kieran's father or Divine Victoria could be their girlfriend... every Warden's story is different and I think it's better to keep it that way. 

[Nixou]

If they bring the Hero back they need hire new voice actors. At least four like for the Inquisitor because of the multiple races

 

 

The voice actor is the least of their problem: if they were to bring back the HoF, they could just add a throw away line of dialogue or two were the Dalish/Dwarven character says "Try to spend a couple of years ruling an Arling without ending up sounding like the locals" and easily justify hiring only two VAs. Bringing back the Warden is not more of a narrative problem than a technical one.

 

Also how would they bring him back? As an NPC like Hawke with a set personality? Or a playable character?

 

 

And here lies our first narrative problem: given that the response to Hawke being brought back as a NPC got mostly negative reactions (I liked Hawke the snarky guest star NPC, personally, but I'm in the minority), they'd have to write a story where the Warden is at least one of the playable protagonists, and since the writers do not want to write more stories centered around the character, well, that's already one rather large stumbling block.

 

 

Why and how?

 

 

Here's a second problem: the Warden had a good reason to get involved in Inquisition when the writers decided to place most of the first act and a sizable chunk of the side quests in the Warden's own Home Turf (something that could have easily been avoided if all the even that happened in Ferelden had been located in Nevarra instead. just sayin'): hence the convoluted "Cure Quest" that was quite clearly a saving throw meant to justify their absence (Once again, imagine if the Fereldan part of the story has been located in Nevarra instead: Where's the Warden? In Ferelden busy stopping local Templars and Mages from slaughtering each others and doing other Wardeny business: "can't get involved, say hi to Leliana and Cullen for me and all that, good bye, busy busy busy": no need for any "Cure Quest" to justify the Warden absence, hell, they could even have brought him/her instead of Stroud/Loghain/Alistair and pull a nice sadistic dilemma at the end of the Fade sequence for the players who had their "perfect save").

 

But now that the story is moving to Tevinter and -hopefully- all Grey Warden businesses will be put on the back burner until DA5, there's no real reason to bring back that character in the forefront for quite some time.

 

 

Some of the non-elven Wardens are also getting quite old soon.

 

 

Nah, 50-60 years old impervious-to-arthritis badasses are a staple of the genre: I expect all teammates -apart Wynne- from DA:0 to be deemed fit for active duty until 9:75 Dragon at least.

 

 

What reason would they have to bring back the protagonist from the first game?

 

 

Two reasons:

1. Resolving the "Cure Quest" plot thread (seriously: couldn't the writers just think before bringing back the story in Ferelden, knowing that they'd be force to invent an excuse for the Warden/his-her successor's absence? And then they had to make their convoluted excuse a new unresolved plot thread with potentially massive repercussions?)
2. Dealing with the Warden internecine war: with Clarel out of the picture, the Warden Commander of Ferelden is the highest ranking member of the order in southern Thedas (well, the writers could pull a Nevarran or Marcher commander out of their sleeves, but these as of today unknown characters wouldn't make good placeholders, especially in world-states where the HoF survived the Blight "Here's the guy/gal who slayed Urthemiel and lived to tell the time, the only Grey Warden to pull that trick in the order's thirteen hundred years of existence, and therefore... the Southern Wardens answer to that new guy nobody heard anything about until now"  I mean, one could come up with a credible reason why a previously unknown character got the top spot instead of miss/mister Tainted-God-Slayer, but that would demand adding yet another chapter of intra-Wardens politicking and... well, it just shows why power-fantasies do not work well when one wants to spin an elaborate tale: whether wants to keep these overpowered characters involved in the story without breaking it or find excuses to keep them out of focus demands way too much work), which in the end means they'll have to be involved in the conflict that's brewing behind the scenes.

Of course, there's no reason to tackle these threads immediately, which is why I do hope that these plot threads won't come clutter DA4's plot, among other things because the writers really need to think long and hard before they bring back the Grey Wardens in the fore front, less they keep trying to fill plot holes with increasingly convoluted plot threads.)

 

 

Still, I agree with German Soldier and believe it's impossible for the Warden ever to return. They could be dead, they could be Kieran's father or Divine Victoria could be their girlfriend... every Warden's story is different

 

 

I was perfectly fine with keeping the Warden away in DA2, back when the writers weren't adding new plot threads directly involving that character (There could be a cure for the taint? And Grey Wardens may start fighting among themselves because of irreconcilable ideological differences? And some variations of Trespasser's epilogue state that the HoF is back in Thedas? For people who don't want to bring him/her back to the fold, Bioware writers are terrible at making their life easier) 

[Navoletti]

they need back the hero of ferelden and is very very very very very posible!!

 

 

yeah much people say imposible that i say they wrong.

 

the warden have a chance of back in two options hero of ferelden for people that the warden survive or warden orlesian of awakening for people that the hero have a sacrifice.

 

and this is very easy..bioware need 2 ways more differents options dialogues for each race nothing more...really this is posible and i hope bioware have a future better plain for the more better carácter of the story of games.

[Tidus]

Navoletti,I agree.. There would be no major issues except found by those that opposes the idea simply because they killed their warden.

 

A voice actors can be rehired-look at the Shrek movies or DA:I as far as that goes. Hey,even Star Wars used the same leading stars in the first three movies and made a comeback in the new Star Wars.

 

I could easily write the HoF in as the Inquisitor. After all Hawke or HoF would been the better choices.

 

In the opening scene and after the explosion at the conclave Leliana contacts her love and asks for his/her aid.

 

Cassandra: Leliana,you know the HoF  can you contract him/her?

 

Leliana: Yes,He/she is the head warden at the  Denerim Palace.

 

HoF to King Alister. Alistair,I received a troublesome letter from Leliana and I need to head to Haven to investigate the trouble. Ser  Gillum will be in command of the Grays until I return.

 

Of course those that killed their warden would be yelling the loudest.

[Inkvisiittori]

The problem is that there is no point in bringing back the protagonist of the first game. How many new fans would be interested in that? How about the old fans who killed their Warden? Also storywise... maybe if the game was about dealing with the remaining old gods and darkspawn... otherwise there is no point for the "Warden" to return. And even this might make some players unhappy since some would like to play a new protagonist anyway. Also the codex in DAI said that the Warden-Commander "served honorably for several years until disappearing." He hasn't been with the Wardens for years. He has left the order. Some would like to keep it that way. 

 

Of course you can always dream of the Warden returning... and who knows...

[Tidus]

Also we know the Warden left the keep shortly after the defeat of the Mother and was seen traveling with Leliana in Denerim... So, which are we to believe? We also know he went searching for a cure for the calling.. Those codex doesn't make sense 90% of the time-one doesn't simply quit the GWs according to Duncan their old life is over and the GW is their new life.

 

The writers couldn't keep their story straight on what happen to the HoF so how can we?

 

The HoF could return in any future (if any) DA game. The only ones that would whine the loudest is the ones that killed their warden or hates the idea.

 

I would gladly trade the Darkspawn Chronicles DLC for a DLC showing the Warden and Leliana traveling the world. 

[kimgoold]

Why does the Warden have to have a voice, why cant they be mute (a side effect of the cure perhaps? or even taking Avernus's draught and the cure) I just wish those of us who DIDNT kill their HoF had the option to continue the Wardens story - and for the very vocal Nay Sayers who did could use the Orlesian Warden from DAA instead; I for one would love to know what Morrigan gave my HoF at the end of Witch Hunt. And just for the record my HoF was looking for the cure for herself, Alistair and any others who wanted it.

[Tidus]

Kimgoold,It would be fun to sober old Tidus up and have him to return as a GW on another save the world Campaign.

 

It wouldn't cost anything extra to have a voice actor to return. They would need to pay a actor for another main character anyway.

[Inkvisiittori]

One doesn't simply quit the GWs according to Duncan their old life is over and the GW is their new life.

 

"According to Duncan..." If the Hero wants to leave then he leaves. Would like to see the fool who tries to stop him. Also he wouldn't be the first one... There is Fiona and Avernus. And Alistair. I always thought it was weird that a Grey Warden can become the King of Ferelden. 

[Tidus]

By all right Alistair or any warden should not be King or Queen because the GW is a neutral force and has no loyalty to any King or Queen nor do they take sides in any political issue-another B-W writer screw up and they set the GW ground rules.. The GW would never interfered  with Orzammar politics.

 

To be honest I'm beginning to think the GW in Orlais would have sacrificed Ferelden instead of having to jump through hoops to gain a rag time militia. Of course a new recruit and a overzealous rookie Grey  Warden may not have known better.

 

BTW. Fiona did not quit the GW..She was booted out because their joining ritual no longer had effect on her that's how she ended up in a Circle.

[Inkvisiittori]

BTW. Fiona did not quit the GW..She was booted out because their joining ritual no longer had effect on her that's how she ended up in a Circle.

 

She seems happy to be rid of them, either way. And the Hero of Ferelden is also searching for a cure for the taint... If - or rather when - they succeed they have no reason to ever return to the Wardens. 

[Navoletti]

if the warden hero of ferelden die they have the replace orlesian warden of awakening for the people that choice the sacrifice and problema solved...that is very easy they only need 2 ways of dialoge...

 

the commander orlesian of awakening or the hero of ferelden that save thedas of the five taint...

 

 

i think they have very easy ways for back the hero only 2 ways and is posible for each race or fate choices créate a different origin but this origins fates in a part of story follow a way in the argument same of dragon age origins...

 

warden have different fates well i think a good idea for back is créate a fate for differents states of him similar or Little intro fates of origins but in a part of story the game is with a only argument and all warden back in the activity.

 

this is very easy,the differents fates of warden is a comparison of differents origins that the characters start in the first game,they need copy the differents origins and créate "differents fate scenario" but in a part of the story this fates dissapear and concéntrate in a only story...same of the prologue of DAO that in a part of games have only 1 story.

 

is very easy.

[Tidus]

What B-W needs is experience writers that has imagination and can stay on course with the story line. Every RPG I played stays close to the story line without the need to do a million side quest to obtain a simple goal or have questionable  choices even through the correct path was quite clear.

[Nixou]

What B-W needs is experience writers that has imagination and can stay on course with the story line

 

 

You know the best way to "stay on course" with the story-line? It is to right the game like a very linear JRPG and jettison the whole "Players Must have Agency over the main quest's conclusion" nonsense.

[fereldanwench]

It seems highly unlikely. The cost and amount of resources that would go into taking into account every type of Warden and their end-game status is probably not going to be worth the development effort. Particularly if the next game is shifting focus to northern Thedas.

 

Frankly, although I was initially happy to see Hawke make an appearance, I'd rather my former DA protagonists stay in the shadows unless I get full control of them again. A letter from the Warden like in DAI or an LI mentioning them like in DA2 is sufficient for me. I'm happy to fill in most of the blanks post-game.

[BatarianBob]

Some things are best left to the players imagination.

Didn't play DAII, so I don't care about Hawke, but it's hard not to be a little insulted by what they did with Revan.

[CrimsonN7]

Nah, last I heard my Warden was making sweet love to Leliana now and again whilst Lels ruled the Chantry with an ironfist. I can live with this.