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[IntoTheDarkness]

Thank you Bioware for not using an asspull lore that none of us has ever heard of while playing two previous games such as an elusive dragon god who is a master of Archdemons as you have done with ME3 when you introduced the starchild and the catalyst.

 

I liked how I didn't hear this 10 minutes into the game: "Corypheus destroyed Orlais and now you are the only one who stands against him, and we (conveniently) dug up an ancient relic of an elven origin that will (conveniently) destroy Corypheus if you find the catalyst which we have no idea what it is but we (conveniently) have absolute faith that it will work." I also loved how the game doesn't introduce the true evil behind Corypheus 10 minutes before the ending.

 

DAI restored about half of my faith that's been completely demolished by ME3. Corypheus may seem somewhat less threatening but I would rather have lore friendly enemies than a god-like asspulled nemesis. I think he is a better antagonist compared to the angagonists from recent Bioware games such as ME2, DA2 and ME3. Is this a sign that we won't be seeing the likes of Starchild in future Bioware games? I hope so.

[GoldenGail3]

I don't.... I though Cory was kind of stupid to be honest.

[ShadowLordXII]

Cory was full of wasted untapped potential

[Nimlowyn]

While Corypheus felt like less of a serious threat post Haven, given that he was pummeled at every turn, I do appreciate him more post Trespasser. 

[myahele]

Corypheus needed a lot more screen time. He had potential, but was never met.

 

Also, I think the reason why he failed so much was due to Solas' agents sabotaging him, at the very least spying on him.

[Nimlowyn]

 

 

Also, I think the reason why he failed so much was due to Solas' agents sabotaging him, at the very least spying on him.

Interesting, never thought of that. 

[Ghost Gal]

Corypheus needed a lot more screen time. He had potential, but was never met.

 

Agreed.

 

Also, I think the reason why he failed so much was due to Solas' agents sabotaging him, at the very least spying on him.

 

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That explains so much. I'm adopting that as my new headcanon.

[Reznore57]

Corypheus could have been a good antagonist , if he had been used properly instead he was a not so great boogeyman.

There really isn't much fleshing him out as a character , his fate was tied to Dumat , Tevinter of old , the Golden City , the Blight ...

The poor guy found himself in a story about the Chantry , mages vs templars , elven history , Orlais shenanigans.

The only thing holding him together as a character was the theme of Faith , but it's barely there for him (mostly in one liners trying to sound badass ...it's nice but that's not how you create character depth imo)

 

There's also the fact that as the protag it's up to you to react to the whole Faith thing , you can play a character who really don't give a damn , and for andrastian I'm not sure I would say your faith is really put to the test the way it happened to Cory.

It could vaguely work for a Dalish after the event of trespassers , but by now Corypheus is long gone , so no "You're a looney darkspawn but I know how you feel bro being used by so called gods can really do a number on you."

 

And then you could have had an interesting debate with Cory what to do when you find out there's no higher power looking out for you?What's the point of ascending to Godhood?There's been a number of "fake" gods already , it seems at large people prefer a absent God , (Maker) meaning no one needs answer to prayers or miracle , they didn't need Cory ascening to Godhood blablabla...

[Ashagar]

Well if you go the templar route you find he's motivated like Solas to bring back his world but he also desires to create a world were people's potential are not ignored simply because of their origins, a world where people can live in in a empire where the chaos of wars between nations does not exist and with a present god that will answer the prayers of the people like the old gods did before going silent instead of a absent god that does not answer.

 

Apparently his real issue with the maker was not that he doesn't exist but he didn't view him as being worthy of being worshiped because he didn't answer the prayers of his followers.

[Master Warder Z_]

Apparently his real issue with the maker was not that he doesn't exist but he didn't view him as being worthy of being worshiped because he didn't answer the prayers of his followers.

 

Big deal for a guy who actually conversed with his chosen God back in the old days I suppose.

[ModernAcademic]

Whatever. Solas is coming. And the whole Qunari army.

 

Prepare yourselves.

[Ashagar]

Assuming something doesn't take out the Qunari of course like how we went in expecting to deal with a full on war between the mages and templars but instead ended up dealing with Corypheus and the breach.

[In Exile]

Cory was full of wasted untapped potential

 

Based on what Bioware said about their concept for DA:I, they had split the story in two. What note does Trespasser end on? 

 

Corypheus is what he was written to be: the decoy antagonist. It's just another deconstruction. 

[thats1evildude]

I give Corypheus credit for having a lot of irons in the fire. He isn't relying on one scheme to take power; he literally has plans running in every corner of southern Thedas and even further north. Some of them are non-starters, but he amassed quite a lot of power in a short timeframe.

Yes, the Inquisitor thwarts him at every turn, but that's only because beating him is absolutely necessary at every turn. That was Bioware's mistake: a good villain has to occasionally get one up on the heroes. The destruction of Haven was his best moment, but there needed to be more.

[Dabrikishaw]

I like Corypheus as well. He needed more screentime is all.

[ShadowLordXII]

Based on what Bioware said about their concept for DA:I, they had split the story in two. What note does Trespasser end on? 

 

Corypheus is what he was written to be: the decoy antagonist. It's just another deconstruction. 

 

If deconstruction's the intention, then the writers misunderstood what a decoy antagonist is. Therefore, the deconstruction doesn't work.

 

A decoy antagonist would be a front for the true conflict of the story. Essentially a big bad whose revealed to be a misnomer for the true villain of the story whose really in charge. Something akin to how Maul and Dooku are the decoys to mask Palpatine's behind-the-scene manipulations. Maul and Dooku are just public figureheads and killing them doesn't stop Palpatine whose the true threat in the Central Conflict.

 

The description of Cory as a decoy antagonist doesn't work even in light of Solas' revelation because Cory's actions and motivations were independent of Solas. Solas had his own plan, but he wasn't controlling Corypheus at every turn, he enabled Cory to accelerate the magister's plan based on a miscalculation and failure to ensure that Cory would die when he was supposed to.

 

Solas and Cory had independent intentions that happened to be tied to Solas' foci. Not to mention that Cory and his actions are the clear driving force behind the central conflict of Inquisition. Cory's the one who manipulates the Grey Wardens; plots to kill Celene and destablize Orlais; and corrupt the mages/templars into his personal armies. Solas had nothing to do with any of that, though he certainly deserves credit for enabling Corypheus to cause the Breach.

 

Stopping Corypheus is actually what enables Solas to continue with his own plans or else Cory would succeed with his goals or destroy the world before the Dread Wolf would have a shot. In this way, Solas would count as the antagonist of a different conflict that would be loosely related, but largely independent of Inquisition's main conflict.

 

To compare to a better example of a decoy antagonist, my first thought goes to Saren from ME1. It's initially believed that Saren is taking advantage of the geth and reaper technology to find a hidden weapon that could destroy the galaxy. In truth, Saren has been indoctrinated by the Reaper Sovereign whose trying to find a backdoor into the Citadel to kickstart a mass genocide by summoning more reapers.

 

Another example would be General Scales from Star Fox Adventures, whose actually just a puppet for Andross. Or Jihl from Final Fantasy XIII whose just a front for the Fal'Cie leader.

 

In short, Corypheus doesn't count as a decoy antagonist. If the developers want to insist that he's a decoy, then they're just short-changing him even more which is a shame.

 

Corypheus deserved better.

[thats1evildude]

I would agree with Shadowlord. The threat posed by Corypheus is separate from that of Solas, even if he's using Solas' orb. Corypheus would have been a problem even without the orb; before the Conclave, he was already well on his way to creating an army of Red Templars, Venatori cultists, ensorcelled Wardens and demons. In fact, the Breach throws a rather huge monkey wrench into his plans.

[Riot Inducer]

Yeah, I do think Corypheus was a good villain all in all he just had a ton of wasted potential because after his strong introduction at Haven he doesn't really do anything of note afterwards. After that point it's just a systematic stomping of his well laid plans until we beat him for good.

 

I think he really could have benefited from the Loghain or Saren style cutscenes showing their reactions to the Hero's progress. We don't get any sense interaction with him outside of Haven, Arbor Wilds & the final battle. Maybe they were trying to keep him and his plans mysterious but all of that was pretty much laid bare by the time of his reveal anyways; recruiting the Templars or Mages tells you everything you need to know about the plots he has going.

 

Hiding him from player view after Haven really didn't make sense since at that point we should have been engaging into the chess battle with him, trying to outmaneuver him and having him react. Instead of a back and forth chess match it's more like battleship where we just sort of ping about at his hidden plots...and Cory really sucks at battleship so he doesn't get in any shots on our stuff. 

[vbibbi]

It's ironic to me that he seems such a cunning mastermind with many irons in the fire as thats1evildude mentions, but then his carefully laid plans are ruined through a newly created organization's actions against him. It's partially the PC plot-armor which most games have, but how was he able to insinuate his forces into so many large and powerful world organizations in the course of a few years, and then loose everything so easily? It also makes every organization and government outside of the Inquisition look like idiots, which isn't great.

[AedanStarfang]

The best part about Corypheus was his over the top performances and elaborated lines; "Pretender you toy with forces beyond your ken no more!" Also for some reason I've always liked the way he would gesture with his claws.

[Mac007]

I really liked Corypheus as an Antagonist, but like many others have said, he could have been done a lot better. You barely ever got a chance to talk with him. On top of that, he was a pushover in Combat. His fight anti-climactic as my party just backed him into a corner and gangbeat him.

[Qun00]

I can't deny that he is powerful and incredibly hard to kill. Without the anchor, the Inquisitor would've failed to kill him permanently just like Hawke.

[AFA]

Cory was an obvious attempt to recreate Irenicus, but a very poor one. Lacked the charm, the cold impersonal evil, or most importantly, the success of Irenicus.

 

Cory did well at Haven, then spent the rest of the game getting his ass kicked. The black-and-white villain and the invincible hero both seemed to be reactions to DA2 IMO. 

[NKnight7]

He was a disappointing villain. Loghain was a great villain and Saren is still probably my favorite ME villain. I feel like if he had had more screen time and had attacked the Inquisition more often he would've been a stronger or at least more threatening villain.

[Ashagar]

Loghain, really? He always struck me as was more of a antagonist than a simple villain or even a antivillain.