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I want to play the damn game but I can't make a beautiful human sorceress, so I found the slider of a beautiful elf that I would like to play

The problem is I dont think an elf relates good to being the leader of the Inquisition

I don't like chantry stuff so I'm not going to have problem with this matter, but in other areas she probably looks weird.

I want to romance Cullen and I don't like a bit about a human with an elf, specially in the size...

 

Are the elf not a "crazy" race to use?

 

I don't mind spoiler so if you can use arguments about if they are better than humans (In tresspasser surely you feel more involved) use it ♥



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As long it's not Qunari, everything can be interesting.

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I want to play the damn game but I can't make a beautiful human sorceress, so I found the slider of a beautiful elf that I would like to play

The problem is I dont think an elf relates good to being the leader of the Inquisition

I don't like chantry stuff so I'm not going to have problem with this matter, but in other areas she probably looks weird.

I want to romance Cullen and I don't like a bit about a human with an elf, specially in the size...

 

Are the elf not a "crazy" race to use?

 

I don't mind spoiler so if you can use arguments about if they are better than humans (In tresspasser surely you feel more involved) use it ♥

1)First Inquisitor Ameridan

 

2)Elven magic powers

 

3)Elven story moments and lore connection

 

yeah elven mage is the best suited Inquisitor, and elven inquisitor have more sense and content

 

Cullen is a drug addicted human fanatic who with his Meredith slaughter innocents in Kirkwall Circle....worst choice for any non-human, anti-chantry character and especially mage, mage who romance a templar is a weird at least


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1)First Inquisitor Ameridan

 

2)Elven magic powers

 

3)Elven story moments and lore connection

 

yeah elven mage is the best suited Inquisitor, and elven inquisitor have more sense and content

 

Cullen is a drug addicted human fanatic who with his Meredith slaughter innocents in Kirkwall Circle....worst choice for any non-human, anti-chantry character and especially mage, mage who romance a templar is a weird at least

 

Then find me a handsome werewolf or vampire to romance.


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Elves are weird for Inquisitor, as are the other non-human races. The game was made around a male human mage being Inquisitor. So that fits best.

 

But I just got done with a Dalish female elf quick playthrough. She turned out okay, but she was not involved with being the Inquisitor. She passed on almost all chore table missions, and set things up so that elves would benefit. Leliana steeled as Divine.

 

My Dalish female mage swore to Falon'Din, didn't like Solas that much in this playthrough, though she might romance him when I do an official run, and she was a necromancer. So she was feminine, but also pretty dark. She didn't really like humans, so no romance with any of them. Though she showed some concern for Cullen, even though she hated templars (but Cullen was ex-templar).

 

Bottom line, it depends how you play. A bright cheery elf will probably not fit that well. A dark one will fit much better.

 

Still, male human mage is the best fit.



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Then find me a handsome werewolf or vampire to romance.

I am personaly in canon not romance anyone of those who i have in romances since DAO, i even replace Morrigan with Velanna and Sigrun or Dagna if i have a choice, still morrigan is less human and have more connection to magic and other stuff

 

in DA2 Merril is deserve more than some human Hawke, i was prefer Aveline to be Li for Hawke

 

in DAI Cassandra and Josephine who is the only options is worst thing ever for a mage nonhuman anti-Orlais/Chantry/Templars/Qunari character

 

Females heroes have much more and better options, in DAI especially when they not have a dwarf male for a full collection, Solas is not bad but even if not romance him to have godlike lover content in DA4 nothing really matter



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Coming up with a backstory for your elf to fit more within the story of DA:I (mostly how they lead the Inquisition, make decisions, who they friend, etc.) will be helpful.  Also, I'd suggest giving Solas' romance a shot if you haven't already.  It fits in with the story very well.

 

And don't listen to Vect about Cullen, OP.  He's under the impression that anyone who does something he disagrees with is automatically irredeemable regardless of what they did and whether or not they plan on making up for their past actions.


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No problem with an elf and Cullen, being one with him actually adds a few bits that are priceless and, a elven mage with him, even more special stuff. I love doing an elven mage, they look good together and, the special dialogs and such are great.

 

An elf makes sense throuout the game, and if you go all pro mage freedom then you get cool dialogs with Solas too because he's your friend. of course you do get to use being an elf for some small advantages here ant here.

 

I'd definitely go for the elf.


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And don't listen to Vect about Cullen, OP.  He's under the impression that anyone who does something he disagrees with is automatically irredeemable regardless of what they did and whether or not they plan on making up for their past actions.

For a human andrastion nonmage and chantry orlais suporter Cullen is a good guy and hero

 

For a mage, non-human, non-andrastian "heretic", a templar like Cullen is deserve to die with his Meredith, he is just escape his death after alll what he was done and not just escape he was become our advisor, member of your team even if you are not ask for this and not have anything what can make you be tolerant with him, to make a sense to have him...ok before we officially become lord Inquisitor, but after it is really was bad to force us have him or others who literaly hate what they with us and we can kinda say for them to go away but they not....i am not even talk that Hawke have almost none reaction for a guy with who he is fight as a Varrick too

 

glad that we have a option to get rid of him at the end as with lelianna and they will not show again if we try for them not to.



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The game was made around a male human mage being Inquisitor. So that fits best.


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Not gonna get into this with you, Vect.


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On one hand I get what you're saying: the games so far have appeared to be human centric. The game's advertising always used humans on the spotlight. But apparently, despite how elves are treated in the game as second hand citizens etcetcetc, the whole games' lore is based around elves. Despite the racism against elves that is there so much that players think that the human is the 'default' everywhere, elf is clearly the choice where you get the most out of it, if you get into the lore and gameplay at least. Everything used to belong to the elves, the main antagonist is an elf, the first inquisitor is an elf...

 

The game does recognize that you are playing as an elf and you do get a special dialogue here and there, but not so much that it should stop you from playing something else first if you want to. I'm playing as an elf now and it's true that despite knowing that everything is based on elven history and stuff, it still feels like it's unrealistic that the inquisitor becomes a highly respected figure when there is so much racism against elves. But if you get over that detail it's very cool. Knowing the story and everything, it's much more rewarding now to be an elf inquisitor and walk around areas like the Emerald Graves, notice the elven statues in other areas, and know just how wrong the humans that look down on the elves in the game are.

 

Which makes me wonder what the devs are thinking going forward, since despite everything about the elves it still looks like the elf is never the canon in the games' storyline (Keep tiles for DAO aside).



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Not sure about the 'male' and 'mage' parts, but DA:I's plot did seem to be designed with a human Inquisitor in mind.



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Not sure about the 'male' and 'mage' parts, but DA:I's plot did seem to be designed with a human Inquisitor in mind.


I'm not arguing the human part, even if I prefer non-human PCs. The mage part is silly, though, and the male part is downright ridiculous.

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I'm not arguing the human part, even if I prefer non-human PCs. The mage part is silly, though, and the male part is downright ridiculous.

 

Enh, tbh, the mage part is iffy at best, considering how much there is to do with magic, but then, there's areas where being a mage doesn't exactly make sense (being allowed to roam around the Winter Palace as a mage unconnected with Celene's court is unlikely, at best).  Not sure where gender would come into it, though


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Not gonna get into this with you, Vect.

You not kill Loghain and Florianna and Celine as i understand=)



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1. Human. Self-evident.

 

2. Mage. Multiple dialogue options only available to a mage (as well as Tranquility judgments). Better relevance to the mage/templar storyline. Better clash with Corypheus, mage vs. mage. Makes more sense having the anchor.

 

3. Male. The armors. The dance with Florienne. The poses while on the throne are masculine, as are many other cutscene animations.


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I love how people use the word "canon" instead of "default."
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3 things, Vect: 1) I've only had 1 playthrough where Loghain became a Warden out of my 10 world-states.  2) Loghain in DA:I is actually an improvement over Stroud and Hawke.  3) Loghain's fate has no bearing on what the OP was asking about.

 

That's all I'll say in response.


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2. Mage. Multiple dialogue options only available to a mage (as well as Tranquility judgments). Better relevance to the mage/templar storyline. Better clash with Corypheus, mage vs. mage. Makes more sense having the anchor.
 
3. Male. The armors. The dance with Florienne. The poses while on the throne are masculine, as are many other cutscene animations.


Your second point makes just as much sense the other way around. A human who is expected by years of family tradition to join the Templars is as relevant to the conflict as a mage. A mundane clashing against Corypheus is just as thematically exciting - the underdog showing that you don't need phenomenal cosmic power to defeat the ancient evil whatsit. And it's arguably cooler for a non-mage to have the mark, because it makes you even more of an oddity.

I'm not arguing your experience, just saying that it's subjective. Just because you had the best time playing a male human mage doesn't mean the game was designed primarily with that in mind.

As for the animation... it's Bioware. They can't seem to get gender neutral animations right. And, uh, women can dance too?
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I use a beautiful Even mage with large green eyes that will melt any man's heart Elf or human... Camine been a mage before so,why not in DA:I?  She's a sassy Inquisitor and speaks her mind.

 

Cullen shouldn't have a  issue romancing a Elven mage.You see way back in DA:O  while he was a Templar in Ferelden's Circle of Magi he had a forbidden crush on a Elven mage by the name of  Charsha.


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I am doing an elf just because I love this dress ♥

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I dont like Solas, I am a fan of happy endings or at least bittersweet, the ending with Solas is basically didn't do any romance.


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Your second point makes just as much sense the other way around. A human who is expected by years of family tradition to join the Templars is as relevant to the conflict as a mage. A mundane clashing against Corypheus is just as thematically exciting - the underdog showing that you don't need phenomenal cosmic power to defeat the ancient evil whatsit. And it's arguably cooler for a non-mage to have the mark, because it makes you even more of an oddity.

I'm not arguing your experience, just saying that it's subjective. Just because you had the best time playing a male human mage doesn't mean the game was designed primarily with that in mind.

As for the animation... it's Bioware. They can't seem to get gender neutral animations right. And, uh, women can dance too?

 

I disagree. Any warrior Trevelyan is not a templar during IHW or CotJ. He can only become a templar after confronting Corypheus the first time and making it to Skyhold. A mage Trevelyan is a mage from birth (or early childhood technically).

 

The mage can declare that Thedas will see a mage standing for all. It is the perfect response to an evil mage. A regular person fighting evil mages is just going to add to mage hatred across Thedas. And the warrior or rogue cannot declare any such thing as the mage can.

 

Also, the warrior and the rogue basically share the same backstory. Which makes the mage's backstory unique among them.

 

A non-mage having the mark sort of makes it seem senseless. Anyone can use it? Really? That seems lame to me. However, a mage has the option of becoming a Rift Mage, and Solas hypothesizes that the Inquisitor is using the mark as a catalyst. The mage gives the anchor better meaning. It also makes him similar to Solas, which is very important for Trespasser and the next installment.

 

Isn't the anchor "phenomenal cosmic power"? Isn't having a dragon on your side similar? I think it did take power of that theme to defeat Corypheus. It certainly wasn't "mundane" weapons that did it.

 

I know you aren't arguing my experience. I'm not arguing yours either. I'm just pointing out that the game is designed to best cater to a male human mage (and an older heterosexual one if we really want to get deeper into this). My experience has nothing to do with it. The facts are the facts. Just because I happened to create a custom character that matched what the game was designed for doesn't make that the case, the game was that before I made the character. I've just had tremendous luck in my character creation for the Dragon Age games (even Hawke, though I admit some slight meta-knowledge for her).

 

Yes, women can dance, but a woman dancing as a man would with Florienne was very odd.

 

It isn't that BioWare didn't get gender neutral animations right, it's that they didn't care to make separate animations for females beyond the common walk/run animations.


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I use a beautiful Even mage with large green eyes that will melt any man's heart Elf or human... Camine been a mage before so,why not in DA:I?  She's a sassy Inquisitor and speaks her mind.
 
Cullen shouldn't have a  issue romancing a Elven mage.You see way back in DA:O  while he was a Templar in Ferelden's Circle of Magi he had a forbidden crush on a Elven mage by the name of  Charsha.

^This^......Or at least some of the last part. It wasn't just an Elven Mage he had a crush on in Origins. He also had a crush on the Human Mage Origin too. And both of those depend on who's Origin story the player choose to play.

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I am doing an elf just because I love this dress ♥

 

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I dont like Solas, I am a fan of happy endings or at least bittersweet, the ending with Solas is basically didn't do any romance.

 

Ooh, that's a nice dress.   :D

 

And alright, it's ultimately up to you to decide who to romance, but as I said, Solas' romance fits into the story very well.