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Female Elf seems the best choice to me. Game gets very very elfy later on and I don't like playing any other race whilst making massive choices in regards to Elves. Doesn't feel right. Female gets the most plot centric romance, Solas.

 

Do you feel the same way about deciding Orzammar's fate as an outsider. Or telling Chantry people what to believe or who their Divine is?

 

It's all in bad taste imo.


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BioWare certainly is lazy. Call it whatever you want, the fact is that the finished product best suits a male human mage.

Not for nothing Dai Grepher, but you're coming off a little arrogant with this last line here. Your "facts" aren't anymore a biased opinion than one who calls a Female Elf Mage "the most canon" to them.

 

These are all blank slates, the fun is coming up with little stories for each of them. Outright saying only one interpretation is correct isn't cool.


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The difference is that I actually back my claims up with canon facts.

 

Almost every single problem you solve in Inquisition is human related.

 

The Winter Palace dance fits a male Inquisitor.

 

Mages have the most options and relevance to the plots involving magic.

 

These are just observations. Not saying anyone's Inquisitor is invalid or anything. Just pointing out that the game is tailored to a specific type of character.



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Do you feel the same way about deciding Orzammar's fate as an outsider. Or telling Chantry people what to believe or who their Divine is?

 

It's all in bad taste imo.

 

I don't like either of those, but also don't think it's the same thing.

 

All of Orzammar is there to disagree with you if they want to, its not a choice you make without their permission. 

 

I tried to stay out of the divine debate the best I could. I play Dalish, she hates the chantry and would have disbanded it if she could. No dialogue options to express that...

 

At the well of Mythal, you can go there as a human, aka race that destroyed Elvhen culture, and choose to either take it for yourself or another human. You don't even tell the Elves it exists, and you know Elves are doing everything they can to regain their past. That's specifically choosing to keep on erasing a races knowledge about their own culture without them even knowing it. 

 

The others are stupid options you should be able to back out of, but not evil like that.



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Dai, I think you're overlooking one thing.. The Dalish elf is in a place she doesn't want to be due to that thing on her/his hand.

 

Sorry,gotta ask.. You saying Elf that is saving the world isn't allow to attend a dance?

 

A Elf fits the story line more then most think but,that requires talking and not rushing through the game full throttle with eyes closed.

 

Of course we start with a blank character accused of murder and mayhem and then the story unfolds.



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Hahaha, oh god, I'm thinking on give Solas a chance just to have this dialogue

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The problem I had is that I feel hard to believe a human with an elf, i am not racist, but why would a dalish elf feel attracted to a human?



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Arshei, Easy enough to understand.. She alone,lonely and needs company and a spark set off a romance...

 

I know being far from home one does get lonely and wants company.. That's how I ended up meeting and later marrying a pretty German woman while I was station in Germany. I had to make several trips to the PX cafeteria  for coffee so,I could talk to her.



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The problem I had is that I feel hard to believe a human with an elf, i am not racist, but why would a dalish elf feel attracted to a human?


The heart wants what the heart wants. So do the loins. Might as well ask how Fenris and Sera can fall in love with a mage. Merrill's a Dalish elf who can possibly fall in love with a human - sometimes you just love and respect somebody, and you're attracted to them, and you fall for them. You don't really need a reason.

Cullen's pretty chill nowadays anyway. He chews out one of his underlings for using the term "knife-ear" and makes him apologize to the elven woman he insulted. Trespasser also shows that he's very respectful of Lavellan's heritage. He's more respectful about it than Solas - ironnyyyy.
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Arshei, Easy enough to understand.. She alone,lonely and needs company and a spark set off a romance...

 

I know being far from home one does get lonely and wants company.. That's how I ended up meeting and later marrying a pretty German woman while I was station in Germany.

The heart wants what the heart wants. So do the loins. Might as well ask how Fenris and Sera can fall in love with a mage. Merrill's a Dalish elf who can possibly fall in love with a human - sometimes you just love and respect somebody, and you're attracted to them, and you fall for them. You don't really need a reason.

Cullen's pretty chill nowadays anyway. He chews out one of his underlings for using the term "knife-ear" and makes him apologize to the elven woman he insulted. Trespasser also shows that he's very respectful of Lavellan's heritage. He's more respectful about it than Solas - ironnyyyy.

 

I prefer roleplay my character and Cullen got drunk, she get pregnant and she want to force Cullen to be her husband than she just... "fell in love" because the heart say it.



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You don't even tell the Elves it exists, and you know Elves are doing everything they can to regain their past. That's specifically choosing to keep on erasing a races knowledge about their own culture without them even knowing it.

 

If you speak to Giselle, her lines imply that the Temple of Mythal will be explored and the finding revealed to the world. Leliana might also have something about this on the chore table.
 



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Dai, I think you're overlooking one thing.. The Dalish elf is in a place she doesn't want to be due to that thing on her/his hand.

 

Sorry,gotta ask.. You saying Elf that is saving the world isn't allow to attend a dance?

 

A Elf fits the story line more then most think but,that requires talking and not rushing through the game full throttle with eyes closed.

 

Of course we start with a blank character accused of murder and mayhem and then the story unfolds.

 

What does that have to do with anything?

 

No, the point about the dance is against female Inquisitors of any race, including human. And it isn't about attendance, it's about the dance partner.

 

I would say elven female mage is second most fitting. I just did a rushed playthrough as one. My eyes were wide open though.


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Dai,As far as being in a place you don't want to be I could write a chapter or two on that..

 

All I am saying stop and talk to the various NPC in the Inquisition and how they respond to a Elf.. Of course Camine is always friendly to those she's around and talks a lot.



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What does that have to do with anything?

 

No, the point about the dance is against female Inquisitors of any race, including human. And it isn't about attendance, it's about the dance partner.

 

I would say elven female mage is second most fitting. I just did a rushed playthrough as one. My eyes were wide open though.

 

I'd hardly think a 30 second dance cutscene in a 150 hour game means much in terms of who the most relevant protagonist is. 

 

Someone had to play the "male" role in that scene, and it was easier to make that the protagonist since the partner was always female. They couldn't really just replace the partner since she was vital to the entire plot of that chapter. 

 

I'm also not sure why you think most of the plot is human centric. The Orlais section is, and the Divine stuff kinda is. The rest isn't specific to human, and in the parts that are human centric you get extra dialogue lines/reactions for being other races (for Elf at least, haven't tried the other races). So I think you actually get more content for choosing other races, and those other races usually create more conflict, making things more interesting.


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I'd hardly think a 30 second dance cutscene in a 150 hour game means much in terms of who the most relevant protagonist is. 

 

Someone had to play the "male" role in that scene, and it was easier to make that the protagonist since the partner was always female. They couldn't really just replace the partner since she was vital to the entire plot of that chapter. 

 

I'm also not sure why you think most of the plot is human centric. The Orlais section is, and the Divine stuff kinda is. The rest isn't specific to human, and in the parts that are human centric you get extra dialogue lines/reactions for being other races (for Elf at least, haven't tried the other races). So I think you actually get more content for choosing other races, and those other races usually create more conflict, making things more interesting.

 

Well.. they could... In Fable 3 if your character is male your child sweet-heart is female, and a guy who firms petitions in the castle is male, if you play a female your sweet-heart is male and there is a girl who firms petitions.

 

They could do the same here, like they do with Calpernia/Samson



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Well.. they could... In Fable 3 if your character is male your child sweet-heart is female, and a guy who firms petitions in the castle is male, if you play a female your sweet-heart is male and there is a girl who firms petitions.

 

They could do the same here, like they do with Calpernia/Samson

 

Sure, but that's a lot more work to replace a character. It also means none of the novels/lore books/etc can ever reference the character as they could exist as 2 separate people. It doesn't really make sense for a different person try to take the throne based of how your own character was born. This isn't a minor character like your Fable example where the persons role is just to be "random bf/gf", and where it might make sense for the person to be different (since your character just asked a different person out), it's a person who would be included in in history books etc, and who has no reason to be different within the game world.

 

It's fine to do that in something like Fable, where no one really cares about this type of stuff, but doesn't work for DA. 


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I'd hardly think a 30 second dance cutscene in a 150 hour game means much in terms of who the most relevant protagonist is. 

 

Someone had to play the "male" role in that scene, and it was easier to make that the protagonist since the partner was always female. They couldn't really just replace the partner since she was vital to the entire plot of that chapter. 

 

I'm also not sure why you think most of the plot is human centric. The Orlais section is, and the Divine stuff kinda is. The rest isn't specific to human, and in the parts that are human centric you get extra dialogue lines/reactions for being other races (for Elf at least, haven't tried the other races). So I think you actually get more content for choosing other races, and those other races usually create more conflict, making things more interesting.

 

But it's a crucial part of the main plot. It also contributes to most of your court approval. Showing the female dancing like a man would, leading like a man, while wearing a masculine looking suit with pants (instead of a dress), and dancing with some shrill woman like Florienne, it just doesn't fit. You could pick wrong responses on purpose, but even then your female will just look like a cringe inducing idiot, and you lose approval. Same as with your female only response of "Even though we're both women". You lose points for picking it. I still picked it anyway.

 

Regardless of BioWare's laziness, er I mean reasoning, the fact remains that it was a male role, as you admit. Thus, a male fits the story better. On a side note, I think they both could have danced femininely (isn't that the point of two females dancing together?). But yes, BioWare was lazy and couldn't bothered to make different choreography for female Inquisitors, just as they couldn't be bothered to make a ball gown version of the Formal Attire. But the result is that the male fits the game better. There's just no getting around it.

 

The human as a mage creates enough conflict by default. Thus matching any conflict that other races would generate. The elven segment really only comes in during the Temple of Mythal, and even there the dialogue lines are stacked against the elven Inquisitor, making him or her sound like he or she doesn't even know their own culture. And in any case Morrigan makes an elf look like Kenric regarding elven history and language. And I think any elven feel to Mythal is undone by the very old and very human Flemeth.

 

But I'm sure it's evident to you that 98% of your conflicts in the game are human centric. Ferelden, Orlais, Tevinter, Nevarra, the Free Marches. The only elven missions I recall are the lost temple of Dirthamen, the one with the Despair Demon cut into various pieces, and the one with the Red Crossing memory (which is half Chantry history as well). So 2.5 missions out of how many human missions?

 

I think the extra elf options are balanced by human noble responses, though there are probably a few more elven responses in total, like those regarding Falon'Din and Andruil. Some are cancelled out though, like correcting Kenric on his memory aid and naming Ghilin'Nan. The Dalish response is the same as the Historical Knowledge response.


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But it's a crucial part of the main plot. It also contributes to most of your court approval. Showing the female dancing like a man would, leading like a man, while wearing a masculine looking suit with pants (instead of a dress), and dancing with some shrill woman like Florienne, it just doesn't fit. You could pick wrong responses on purpose, but even then your female will just look like a cringe inducing idiot, and you lose approval. Same as with your female only response of "Even though we're both women". You lose points for picking it. I still picked it anyway.

 

Regardless of BioWare's laziness, er I mean reasoning, the fact remains that it was a male role, as you admit. Thus, a male fits the story better. On a side note, I think they both could have danced femininely (isn't that the point of two females dancing together?). But yes, BioWare was lazy and couldn't bothered to make different choreography for female Inquisitors, just as they couldn't be bothered to make a ball gown version of the Formal Attire. But the result is that the male fits the game better. There's just no getting around it.

 

The human as a mage creates enough conflict by default. Thus matching any conflict that other races would generate. The elven segment really only comes in during the Temple of Mythal, and even there the dialogue lines are stacked against the elven Inquisitor, making him or her sound like he or she doesn't even know their own culture. And in any case Morrigan makes an elf look like Kenric regarding elven history and language. And I think any elven feel to Mythal is undone by the very old and very human Flemeth.

 

But I'm sure it's evident to you that 98% of your conflicts in the game are human centric. Ferelden, Orlais, Tevinter, Nevarra, the Free Marches. The only elven missions I recall are the lost temple of Dirthamen, the one with the Despair Demon cut into various pieces, and the one with the Red Crossing memory (which is half Chantry history as well). So 2.5 missions out of how many human missions?

 

I think the extra elf options are balanced by human noble responses, though there are probably a few more elven responses in total, like those regarding Falon'Din and Andruil. Some are cancelled out though, like correcting Kenric on his memory aid and naming Ghilin'Nan. The Dalish response is the same as the Historical Knowledge response.

 

I really don't think the dance is that weird for a women. It's a set dance routine, with a "male" and a "female" role. There's no stigma against same sex couples in Orlais, so I'm sure those people all dance in a set dance in the same way, with them choosing which role to take. I agree it still makes more sense for a male character, but 30 seconds for a single animation doesn't overrule the other 149 hours for me, especially with what we got still seems believable. The Solas romance seems very plot central to me (much more than a dance with a lady you never see again), and that requires you to play a female character. So if I follow your logic, all that content in the romance is unique to a female Elf, still making it "best" for me.

 

I disagree that a plot is "human centric" just because it takes place in a human country. In order to be human centric, it has to have an actual affect on that species as a whole, or at least a country's culture (that is also your characters culture) or something of a similar scale. Eg. choice of Divine will affect this, the fact that a few quests reference the Free Marches don't. 

 

The main plots for me are the main story missions and companions. The only plots I think are race related are (possibly) Orlais, the Divine stuff, Arbor Wilds, Solas. I don't feel that a human character has to care about Orlesian politics that much, especially if they are a mage. You can choose to play a character that would, but I don't feel like it is a default assumed option. If you compare that to the Elvhen stuff, as a Dalish Elf you are raised in a culture that has told you to be religious and care about the type of things that come up in the game. You can obviously choose not too, but your character has been told their entire life that they should. I disagree with your opinion of Mythal. I don't class any of those minor quests you mentioned being important enough to mention either way. You might visit a temple of Dirthamen, but you don't really learn anything there or do anything important or Elfy. So I don't think it supports an Elf Inquisitor. Same for the human stuff.

 

However, the events in the game completely crush the entire Elvhen religion, brings new meaning to some of the most important aspects of their culture, and you can date the villain, aka the most important companion to the plot. The Herald of Andraste also works better as a story for me if you play an Elf. If you are a typical human, being told you are sent by your God is a "good" thing. Good stories aren't about nice things happening to people. As an Elf, being declared the Herald for a human religion after they crushed your entire culture is horrifying. How will your people react to this - probably think you are a traitor and disown you! How will the humans react when they find out you aren't - probably kill you for daring to be an Elf and making a mockery of their faith! If you are human - people will just be kinda disappointed. One of those stories is more interesting than the other one. It's the one with the character who has the most to lose.


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But it's a crucial part of the main plot. It also contributes to most of your court approval. Showing the female dancing like a man would, leading like a man, while wearing a masculine looking suit with pants (instead of a dress), and dancing with some shrill woman like Florienne, it just doesn't fit. You could pick wrong responses on purpose, but even then your female will just look like a cringe inducing idiot, and you lose approval. Same as with your female only response of "Even though we're both women". You lose points for picking it. I still picked it anyway.

 

Regardless of BioWare's laziness, er I mean reasoning, the fact remains that it was a male role, as you admit. Thus, a male fits the story better. On a side note, I think they both could have danced femininely (isn't that the point of two females dancing together?). But yes, BioWare was lazy and couldn't bothered to make different choreography for female Inquisitors, just as they couldn't be bothered to make a ball gown version of the Formal Attire. But the result is that the male fits the game better. There's just no getting around it.

 

The human as a mage creates enough conflict by default. Thus matching any conflict that other races would generate. The elven segment really only comes in during the Temple of Mythal, and even there the dialogue lines are stacked against the elven Inquisitor, making him or her sound like he or she doesn't even know their own culture. And in any case Morrigan makes an elf look like Kenric regarding elven history and language. And I think any elven feel to Mythal is undone by the very old and very human Flemeth.

 

But I'm sure it's evident to you that 98% of your conflicts in the game are human centric. Ferelden, Orlais, Tevinter, Nevarra, the Free Marches. The only elven missions I recall are the lost temple of Dirthamen, the one with the Despair Demon cut into various pieces, and the one with the Red Crossing memory (which is half Chantry history as well). So 2.5 missions out of how many human missions?

 

I think the extra elf options are balanced by human noble responses, though there are probably a few more elven responses in total, like those regarding Falon'Din and Andruil. Some are cancelled out though, like correcting Kenric on his memory aid and naming Ghilin'Nan. The Dalish response is the same as the Historical Knowledge response.

 

Agreed, if you are playing with a female inquisitor you and Florianna should dance like that

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But it's a crucial part of the main plot. It also contributes to most of your court approval.

 

It's 30 seconds in a 150+ hour game. Get over it.

 

I really don't think the dance is that weird for a women. It's a set dance routine, with a "male" and a "female" role. There's no stigma against same sex couples in Orlais, so I'm sure those people all dance in a set dance in the same way, with them choosing which role to take. I agree it still makes more sense for a male character, but 30 seconds for a single animation doesn't overrule the other 149 hours for me, especially with what we got still seems believable. The Solas romance seems very plot central to me (much more than a dance with a lady you never see again), and that requires you to play a female character. So if I follow your logic, all that content in the romance is unique to a female Elf, still making it "best" for me.

 

I disagree that a plot is "human centric" just because it takes place in a human country. In order to be human centric, it has to have an actual affect on that species as a whole, or at least a country's culture (that is also your characters culture) or something of a similar scale. Eg. choice of Divine will affect this, the fact that a few quests reference the Free Marches don't. 

 

The main plots for me are the main story missions and companions. The only plots I think are race related are (possibly) Orlais, the Divine stuff, Arbor Wilds, Solas. I don't feel that a human character has to care about Orlesian politics that much, especially if they are a mage. You can choose to play a character that would, but I don't feel like it is a default assumed option. If you compare that to the Elvhen stuff, as a Dalish Elf you are raised in a culture that has told you to be religious and care about the type of things that come up in the game. You can obviously choose not too, but your character has been told their entire life that they should. I disagree with your opinion of Mythal. I don't class any of those minor quests you mentioned being important enough to mention either way. You might visit a temple of Dirthamen, but you don't really learn anything there or do anything important or Elfy. So I don't think it supports an Elf Inquisitor. Same for the human stuff.

 

However, the events in the game completely crush the entire Elvhen religion, brings new meaning to some of the most important aspects of their culture, and you can date the villain, aka the most important companion to the plot. The Herald of Andraste also works better as a story for me if you play an Elf. If you are a typical human, being told you are sent by your God is a "good" thing. Good stories aren't about nice things happening to people. As an Elf, being declared the Herald for a human religion after they crushed your entire culture is horrifying. How will your people react to this - probably think you are a traitor and disown you! How will the humans react when they find out you aren't - probably kill you for daring to be an Elf and making a mockery of their faith! If you are human - people will just be kinda disappointed. One of those stories is more interesting than the other one. It's the one with the character who has the most to lose.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

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Agreed, if you are playing with a female inquisitor you and Florianna should dance like that

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Sera's watching all that arse wiggling.



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Hahaha, oh god, I'm thinking on give Solas a chance just to have this dialogue

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The problem I had is that I feel hard to believe a human with an elf, i am not racist, but why would a dalish elf feel attracted to a human?

 

Carver shows attraction to Merrill in DA2 (doesn't really go anywhere, since Merrill's pretty clueless), and Isabela also shows attraction to Fenris.

 

IB shows attraction to Dorian in DA:I, and vice versa, and they're pretty much opposites in terms of background.

 

There are also a few instances where Dalish elves leave their clans for either a human or a city elf.

 

It's up to how you roleplay it.  You can roleplay a slowmance (slowly-developed romance) and it should work, as long as it seems to make sense to you for the type of character you have in mind.  Roleplaying and headcanon can do wonders for any inconsistencies you notice.


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I really don't think the dance is that weird for a women. It's a set dance routine, with a "male" and a "female" role. There's no stigma against same sex couples in Orlais, so I'm sure those people all dance in a set dance in the same way, with them choosing which role to take. I agree it still makes more sense for a male character, but 30 seconds for a single animation doesn't overrule the other 149 hours for me, especially with what we got still seems believable. The Solas romance seems very plot central to me (much more than a dance with a lady you never see again), and that requires you to play a female character. So if I follow your logic, all that content in the romance is unique to a female Elf, still making it "best" for me.

 

I disagree that a plot is "human centric" just because it takes place in a human country. In order to be human centric, it has to have an actual affect on that species as a whole, or at least a country's culture (that is also your characters culture) or something of a similar scale. Eg. choice of Divine will affect this, the fact that a few quests reference the Free Marches don't. 

 

The main plots for me are the main story missions and companions. The only plots I think are race related are (possibly) Orlais, the Divine stuff, Arbor Wilds, Solas. I don't feel that a human character has to care about Orlesian politics that much, especially if they are a mage. You can choose to play a character that would, but I don't feel like it is a default assumed option. If you compare that to the Elvhen stuff, as a Dalish Elf you are raised in a culture that has told you to be religious and care about the type of things that come up in the game. You can obviously choose not too, but your character has been told their entire life that they should. I disagree with your opinion of Mythal. I don't class any of those minor quests you mentioned being important enough to mention either way. You might visit a temple of Dirthamen, but you don't really learn anything there or do anything important or Elfy. So I don't think it supports an Elf Inquisitor. Same for the human stuff.

 

However, the events in the game completely crush the entire Elvhen religion, brings new meaning to some of the most important aspects of their culture, and you can date the villain, aka the most important companion to the plot. The Herald of Andraste also works better as a story for me if you play an Elf. If you are a typical human, being told you are sent by your God is a "good" thing. Good stories aren't about nice things happening to people. As an Elf, being declared the Herald for a human religion after they crushed your entire culture is horrifying. How will your people react to this - probably think you are a traitor and disown you! How will the humans react when they find out you aren't - probably kill you for daring to be an Elf and making a mockery of their faith! If you are human - people will just be kinda disappointed. One of those stories is more interesting than the other one. It's the one with the character who has the most to lose.

 

I know there's no stigma against it in Orlais, so then there should be a dance that is female with female. Right?
 

The 30 seconds are important though, so it doesn't matter that it was short compared to the hours of side questing and random running around. At least compare it to the main storyline play time. And that was just one obvious example, along with the Formal Attire. I can name others if you want.

 

Solas wasn't even planned to be a romance in the first place, but even taking his romance into account, the result is better with a human. This is because he will always leave a female elf at the eluvian no matter what. There is no special option to follow him. So ultimately there is no romance there. He dumps the elven female. This is the one way in which the elven playthrough tries to transcend the other races just for Solas to smack it right back down with the rest of them. The human by contrast has the more realistic story. The human can't leave with him because the human has no valid reason to do so. No BS reasoning required here for BioWare to maintain a manageable worldstate. Meanwhile, the human male can establish a strong friendship with Solas, and he can also continue his romance with Cassandra who was a plot-centric character. The result is one where Solas leaves on virtually the same terms, while the Inquisitor also gets to continue his romance with Cassandra. The elf female is left with nothing (as another thread here discusses). So no, the Solas content is not really female elf exclusive, as any Inquisitor can still get most of Solas' content. The only thing the elven female has is the break-up scene where she can possibly have her vallaslin removed.

 

And as far as being plot-centric characters, Cassandra has the clear edge over Solas. Cassandra is part of the Inquisition, and her efforts made it all possible in the first place. She also has side quests and side discussions that are more relevant to the main story. Solas saved you from himself and showed you Skyhold. That's it. And his side quests are more about measuring the Veil, communicating through dreams, and saving a spirit from being twisted from purpose. Other than that, its all about what he thinks about you as a person. Cassandra's content is tied to the main storyline and themes of the game. Matters of faith, how to close the breach, what happened with the Divine, what happened in the Fade, the Seeker order and bringing Lucius to justice, and how to take down Corypheus. Solas on the other hand, just gives advice, and lies to you constantly about himself. Is a romance with Solas really that different from one with Thom Rainier? The female first falls in love with a façade, and will be left alone in both cases, only to find out the horrible truth latter. At least Thom will come back if asked.

 

I just don't see the big deal about the Solas romance. He's lying about himself the whole time. So does the female elf really fall in love with him, I mean, the real him? He will tell such an elven female that he can't take her with him because he doesn't want her to see what he must become. He still hasn't shown her his true self. So the Solas romance just rings hollow, in my opinion.

 

Human countries. All of which have human problems to solve. Even the Temple of Mythal is there to solve the human problem of stopping Corypheus. So it isn't just that it takes place in human countries, it's also that the story itself is centered around humans and human groups. Mages in Redcliffe ally with Tevinter and require the human Dorian to solve. Templars in Therinfall are only approachable with the help of human Orlesian nobles. It wasn't unlike the second dispersal of the reclaimed Dales (Elven Herald: <_<). All the noble allies and political friends you get after Skyhold, all humans. Dealing with the Chantry, humans. Dealing with Orlais, mainly humans although some elven servants. Dealing with the Grey Wardens, humans. Who helps you take the Arbor Wilds? Humans. All the optional areas are also human-centric. Exalted Plains, the warring Orlesians. A few Dalish off to the side. Emprise du Lion, save the humans of Sarnia. Emerald Graves, make contact with Fairbanks and his human allies. Even the enemy factions are human. The Blade of Hessarian (which can then become allies), the Venatori, the Red Templars, the Freemen of the Dales, the Avvar, the Jaws of Hakkon, the Hinterlands bandits, etc. Heck, even the darkspawn are mostly Hurlock except in Descent.

 

Smart tactic, dismiss the two and a half elven missions as irrelevant along with the dozens of human missions. Orlais should be a concern to a human, mage or otherwise. Unless the human is just so far disconnected from politics of any kind and doesn't care about how many problems Orlais could cause for the Inquisition.

 

If you were raised to care about the elven faith, then that's just proof that the game doesn't fit a Dalish as well as a human. The human playthrough ends with the Maker's intervention still being a possibility in some way. The elven playthrough ends with the creators being myths. My female elf mage smacked down every Maker conversation there was, but in my mind still held true to the elven legends (told Cassandra what the Dalish believe) and even drank from the Well. Her special option against Corypheus? "I don't believe in gods." So it's basically the anti-Andraste human response imposed over the entire elven pantheon by default. You're telling me that fits?

 

Not sure if the events completely crush the elven religion, which even elves admit is fragmented and mostly lost to time (what is there to crush?), but it definately puts a twist on it. Plus, I feel there should have been an option to keep the faith. There wasn't though. Which as I wrote above is more proof that the human playthrough was given more consideration.

 

Date? You call going to a wyvern pit for a vallaslin removal and a break-up conversation to be a date? Candles, flowers, poetry, that's a date. Solas is not the most important companion to the plot, but his involvement was crucial to the game events taking place, I will admit.

 

That's your perspective though. What do the facts of the game say? Some see it as a good thing, but others despise the fact that people call you that. It makes less sense to give such a title to a Dalish survivor compared to a human, especially if that Dalish refuses the title, which according to backstory he or she would have every reason to refuse it, as you admit the Dalish was raised to be faithful to the elven pantheon. A human has more flexibility. A human can embrace it, thus causing more faith and more loathing. A human can also see the title as a bad thing, because it puts too much weight on the survivor. There will be all these expectations now. A Dalish can shirk those expectations much more easily. My male human mage took no stance, saying he didn't know, because he believed primarily in sticking to the truth and seeking out the truth. He knew that putting too much faith in something that important with so little evidence was reckless. So there are multiple ways to play that with a human. Not so much with a Dalish who should by all accounts have faith in elven beliefs. Plus, it makes more sense for human Andrastians to call a fellow human her Herald. Applied to a Dalish, dwarf, or qunari, the title loses some meaning. It also makes more sense that the title would stick to a human who refuses the title compared to a Dalish who refuses the title, because it's a human religion.

 

Your hypothetical storyline is negated by the opening sequence of stabilizing the Breach. You were only known as the Prisoner at that point, and everyone wanted to kill you no matter who you were. After proving useful, any such fears of retribution should be alleviated when people gather around to honor you. Then when you're told of your title you have four options to choose from. "It's... a little unsettling" is as "terrified" as you can sound. You're downplaying the human aspect. People might be more than disappointed in any Herald's case.


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I would have thought the fact that until the last year of development (if that), the game was written with a human-only protagonist, along with sequences like the Temple of Mythal, where you are out-elfed by a human, would be more than adequate to demonstrate that a human protagonist works best.  They just didn't have enough time after they decided to shoe-horn in non-human races to really give those races the interactivity necessary.  Dwarves and Qunari are basically an afterthought, and, for most of the main game, if you are an elf you are either treated like a human or an idiot given how everything is spelled out to you as though you know nothing of your own people.

 

Frankly, if I were a staunch elf, dwarf, or qunari fan, I would have been very disappointed by the bare minimum they felt they could get away with in 'including' those races as protagonists.

 

Hopefully, they'll design DA4 with non-human races in mind, so they won't feel like the afterthought they were in DA:I.


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I would have thought the fact that until the last year of development (if that), the game was written with a human-only protagonist, along with sequences like the Temple of Mythal, where you are out-elfed by a human, would be more than adequate to demonstrate that a human protagonist works best.  They just didn't have enough time after they decided to shoe-horn in non-human races to really give those races the interactivity necessary.  Dwarves and Qunari are basically an afterthought, and, for most of the main game, if you are an elf you are either treated like a human or an idiot given how everything is spelled out to you as though you know nothing of your own people.

 

Frankly, if I were a staunch elf, dwarf, or qunari fan, I would have been very disappointed by the bare minimum they felt they could get away with in 'including' those races as protagonists.

 

Hopefully, they'll design DA4 with non-human races in mind, so they won't feel like the afterthought they were in DA:I.

I don't care all that much about the human stuff, because this is true, I just don't see the value in using a dance animation as "proof". What does it prove? That women can only dance a certain way?


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I don't care all that much about the human stuff, because this is true, I just don't see the value in using a dance animation as "proof". What does it prove? That women can only dance a certain way?

I have no particular opinion of the dance scene, which is why I didn't mention or address it at all. ;)


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