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[vertigomez]

I know there's no stigma against it in Orlais, so then there should be a dance that is female with female. Right?

Uh, what's a female with female dance? Two women dancing is a "female dance". It doesn't matter who's leading.

[animedreamer]

Why would you have any reservations about playing a elf at all if you've never beaten the game or played through enough of it to know its story?

[AlanC9]

Do you feel the same way about deciding Orzammar's fate as an outsider. Or telling Chantry people what to believe or who their Divine is?
 
It's all in bad taste imo.

Yeah, that's the thing about DA:O and DAI. Being the Warden or the Inquisitor, means that you get to make decisions for people even if you've got no connection to or even interest in their culture and their situation. Your PC doesn't want unaccountable power? Too bad; you've got it anyway.

I'm coming around to the idea that a real qunari would have fit best. If these idiots want to hand over power to anyone who shows up with a new magical toy, they really do need to have something else making decisions for them.

[Arshei]

Why would you have any reservations about playing a elf at all if you've never beaten the game or played through enough of it to know its story?

 

Because I played Dragon age Origin and DA:2 enough to know the elves are a marginalized race.

How a dalish elf who lived in the forest all her life know "human things" enough to lead the inquisition?

The game should allow you to don't give a **** about Andraste and cut the head of anyone who use an elf as a slave.

[AlanC9]

How a dalish elf who lived in the forest all her life know "human things" enough to lead the inquisition?

In practice, this part is actually pretty easy. You don't need to know much that you can't actually ask Leliana or Josie about.

The game should allow you to don't give a **** about Andraste and cut the head of anyone who use an elf as a slave.

Any particular examples come to mind? Which heads did you want to remove that the game didn't let you remove?

[Dai Grepher]

I don't care all that much about the human stuff, because this is true, I just don't see the value in using a dance animation as "proof". What does it prove? That women can only dance a certain way?

 

That the game was not designed to fit a female Inquisitor as well as it fits a male Inquisitor.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Uh, what's a female with female dance? Two women dancing is a "female dance". It doesn't matter who's leading.

 

Meaning both dance in a feminine way with each other.
 

[Tidus]

Dai,I was station in countries where women holding hands and dancing together was normal. In their culture its a sign of best friends and usually  nothing more.  Seeing this was a shock for the majority of the U.S. Troops at first but,after we started to learn and understand their culture  we  paid it no mind.

[vertigomez]

Meaning both dance in a feminine way with each other.

What are they supposed to do, both follow? That's not how ballroom dancing works.

[Dabrikishaw]

That the game was not designed to fit a female Inquisitor as well as it fits a male Inquisitor.
 

Holding onto a dance as "proof" of this is though?

[Abyss108]

I know there's no stigma against it in Orlais, so then there should be a dance that is female with female. Right?
 

The 30 seconds are important though, so it doesn't matter that it was short compared to the hours of side questing and random running around. At least compare it to the main storyline play time. And that was just one obvious example, along with the Formal Attire. I can name others if you want.

 

Solas wasn't even planned to be a romance in the first place, but even taking his romance into account, the result is better with a human. This is because he will always leave a female elf at the eluvian no matter what. There is no special option to follow him. So ultimately there is no romance there. He dumps the elven female. This is the one way in which the elven playthrough tries to transcend the other races just for Solas to smack it right back down with the rest of them. The human by contrast has the more realistic story. The human can't leave with him because the human has no valid reason to do so. No BS reasoning required here for BioWare to maintain a manageable worldstate. Meanwhile, the human male can establish a strong friendship with Solas, and he can also continue his romance with Cassandra who was a plot-centric character. The result is one where Solas leaves on virtually the same terms, while the Inquisitor also gets to continue his romance with Cassandra. The elf female is left with nothing (as another thread here discusses). So no, the Solas content is not really female elf exclusive, as any Inquisitor can still get most of Solas' content. The only thing the elven female has is the break-up scene where she can possibly have her vallaslin removed.

 

And as far as being plot-centric characters, Cassandra has the clear edge over Solas. Cassandra is part of the Inquisition, and her efforts made it all possible in the first place. She also has side quests and side discussions that are more relevant to the main story. Solas saved you from himself and showed you Skyhold. That's it. And his side quests are more about measuring the Veil, communicating through dreams, and saving a spirit from being twisted from purpose. Other than that, its all about what he thinks about you as a person. Cassandra's content is tied to the main storyline and themes of the game. Matters of faith, how to close the breach, what happened with the Divine, what happened in the Fade, the Seeker order and bringing Lucius to justice, and how to take down Corypheus. Solas on the other hand, just gives advice, and lies to you constantly about himself. Is a romance with Solas really that different from one with Thom Rainier? The female first falls in love with a façade, and will be left alone in both cases, only to find out the horrible truth latter. At least Thom will come back if asked.

 

I just don't see the big deal about the Solas romance. He's lying about himself the whole time. So does the female elf really fall in love with him, I mean, the real him? He will tell such an elven female that he can't take her with him because he doesn't want her to see what he must become. He still hasn't shown her his true self. So the Solas romance just rings hollow, in my opinion.

 

Human countries. All of which have human problems to solve. Even the Temple of Mythal is there to solve the human problem of stopping Corypheus. So it isn't just that it takes place in human countries, it's also that the story itself is centered around humans and human groups. Mages in Redcliffe ally with Tevinter and require the human Dorian to solve. Templars in Therinfall are only approachable with the help of human Orlesian nobles. It wasn't unlike the second dispersal of the reclaimed Dales (Elven Herald: ). All the noble allies and political friends you get after Skyhold, all humans. Dealing with the Chantry, humans. Dealing with Orlais, mainly humans although some elven servants. Dealing with the Grey Wardens, humans. Who helps you take the Arbor Wilds? Humans. All the optional areas are also human-centric. Exalted Plains, the warring Orlesians. A few Dalish off to the side. Emprise du Lion, save the humans of Sarnia. Emerald Graves, make contact with Fairbanks and his human allies. Even the enemy factions are human. The Blade of Hessarian (which can then become allies), the Venatori, the Red Templars, the Freemen of the Dales, the Avvar, the Jaws of Hakkon, the Hinterlands bandits, etc. Heck, even the darkspawn are mostly Hurlock except in Descent.

 

Smart tactic, dismiss the two and a half elven missions as irrelevant along with the dozens of human missions. Orlais should be a concern to a human, mage or otherwise. Unless the human is just so far disconnected from politics of any kind and doesn't care about how many problems Orlais could cause for the Inquisition.

 

If you were raised to care about the elven faith, then that's just proof that the game doesn't fit a Dalish as well as a human. The human playthrough ends with the Maker's intervention still being a possibility in some way. The elven playthrough ends with the creators being myths. My female elf mage smacked down every Maker conversation there was, but in my mind still held true to the elven legends (told Cassandra what the Dalish believe) and even drank from the Well. Her special option against Corypheus? "I don't believe in gods." So it's basically the anti-Andraste human response imposed over the entire elven pantheon by default. You're telling me that fits?

 

Not sure if the events completely crush the elven religion, which even elves admit is fragmented and mostly lost to time (what is there to crush?), but it definately puts a twist on it. Plus, I feel there should have been an option to keep the faith. There wasn't though. Which as I wrote above is more proof that the human playthrough was given more consideration.

 

Date? You call going to a wyvern pit for a vallaslin removal and a break-up conversation to be a date? Candles, flowers, poetry, that's a date. Solas is not the most important companion to the plot, but his involvement was crucial to the game events taking place, I will admit.

 

That's your perspective though. What do the facts of the game say? Some see it as a good thing, but others despise the fact that people call you that. It makes less sense to give such a title to a Dalish survivor compared to a human, especially if that Dalish refuses the title, which according to backstory he or she would have every reason to refuse it, as you admit the Dalish was raised to be faithful to the elven pantheon. A human has more flexibility. A human can embrace it, thus causing more faith and more loathing. A human can also see the title as a bad thing, because it puts too much weight on the survivor. There will be all these expectations now. A Dalish can shirk those expectations much more easily. My male human mage took no stance, saying he didn't know, because he believed primarily in sticking to the truth and seeking out the truth. He knew that putting too much faith in something that important with so little evidence was reckless. So there are multiple ways to play that with a human. Not so much with a Dalish who should by all accounts have faith in elven beliefs. Plus, it makes more sense for human Andrastians to call a fellow human her Herald. Applied to a Dalish, dwarf, or qunari, the title loses some meaning. It also makes more sense that the title would stick to a human who refuses the title compared to a Dalish who refuses the title, because it's a human religion.

 

Your hypothetical storyline is negated by the opening sequence of stabilizing the Breach. You were only known as the Prisoner at that point, and everyone wanted to kill you no matter who you were. After proving useful, any such fears of retribution should be alleviated when people gather around to honor you. Then when you're told of your title you have four options to choose from. "It's... a little unsettling" is as "terrified" as you can sound. You're downplaying the human aspect. People might be more than disappointed in any Herald's case.

 

Did you miss the part where it's a set dance being performed by the entire room? You make two ladies dance differently, you have 50 people all following the right moves, and 2 ladies bumping into them every few seconds. That makes more sense to you, than a lady daring to be the lead partner in a dance? 

 

Whether the Solas romance was planned or not is irrelevant, it's in the final game. Doesn't matter what they planned when they first started. That would only matter if I was arguing Bioware had planned to make a female Elf plot relevant. I'm not debating what Bioware planned, I'm debating how the final game turned out.

 

So what if Solas broke up with an Elf, how does that mean the romance doesn't exist? Before Witchhunt was released, Morrigan romancers were in exactly the same position. Doesn't change the fact that Morrigan is the most important romance to the plot. It doesn't give you any extra options in the main game, because it's not important to have extra choices locked behind a romance, it's about having more emotional relevance to major events. Choosing to have the baby adds extra context if you have that romance on top of all the other factors going on. Same with the Solas romance. Cassandra has something similar to this with the Divine choice, but this isn't nearly as major as Solas. You could also remove her from the game with very little effect after the first few hours. The game wouldn't even exist without Solas. So I'm going to disagree with Cassanda being more important plotwise.

 

Not sure why you point out a human has no valid reason to go with Solas. Last I checked, running off to destroy the world isn't a valid choice just because your ex-boyfriend told you too. Also, the fact you don't see the appeal of Solas has nothing to do with whether he is plot relevant or not. The fact that there is no happy ending doesn't suddenly make it less important.

 

You keep bringing up the fact you deal with humans. But how is this more effective if you play a human yourself? These are all different cultures from your own, it's not something you have a direct relationship to, it's not something your human has an emotional connection to, unlike the Elf where the the issues deal with your own culture, your own beliefs. Tell me how any of those plots relate to your character to the same degree of having your entire religion and culture turning out to be a lie, simply because of the fact you are human? There isn't anything, because they are not "human" plots. They are "Orlesian" plots, or "Tevinter" plots, etc. 

 

You then point out a human should care about Orlesian plots because it relates to the Inquisition. Aka exactly the same reason an Elf would care. 

 

You then repeat the exact reason why the game is relevant to an Elf, because your religion gets crushed. But for some reason you think it's less relevant because you don't get a happy ending where your religion might be true. Happiness is not related to relevance, no matter how many times you try to point out bad things happen to an Elf.

 

You then say Solas takes you on a bad date. What does this have to do with whether it's relevant? You just keeps pointing out that things suck for an Elf character.  Yes, I think most people will agree with you. Nobody is saying "Elves get the most romantic, happiest play through where everything works out and all their dreams come true!". How many times can I say whether the story is happy has nothing to do with whether it's the relevant...

 

You are the Herald because they saw your magic and "Andraste" herself helped you. Nobody cares afterwards what you say. This goes for any race. But a human who is revealed as a fraud will get off lighter than an Elf, always. And the fear might disappear for a human who believe they are really chosen, but the "default" Dalish-type Elf will know they are a fraud because they don't believe the Maker even exists, so they will always fear what will happen when people find out.

[Arshei]

Well, I created the elf, she is not as thin and short as I thought, but still, she is beautiful in some scenes

 

But I have to change her, her nose in the shadows looks so big and her face paint looks like vomit. I don't know why I can't make work the textures of the black dress

http://www.nexusmods...tion/mods/837/?

I am stupid, there are 3 versions of the mod, I didn't downloaded the black version... Someone hit me.

 

[XEternalXDreamsX]

I want to play the damn game but I can't make a beautiful human sorceress, so I found the slider of a beautiful elf that I would like to play
The problem is I dont think an elf relates good to being the leader of the Inquisition
I don't like chantry stuff so I'm not going to have problem with this matter, but in other areas she probably looks weird.
I want to romance Cullen and I don't like a bit about a human with an elf, specially in the size...

Are the elf not a "crazy" race to use?

I don't mind spoiler so if you can use arguments about if they are better than humans (In tresspasser surely you feel more involved) use it ♥

Personally, it was nice how you handle being a proud dalish while leading the Inquisition. If your elf is attracted to Cullen and wants a romance. He treats both the same, but as a mage, you get extra dialogue choices with him.

Neither is better than the other race. You could actually play out the game romancing Cullen and not being Pro-Chantry as a female elf or human mage and basically experience the same results. It comes down to your perception of a human and elf romance and your opinion on being an elf.

I hope it all goes well. I didn't really add anything to the conversation, but I just thru my opinion out there.

P.S.- Your elf looks good, don't worry.

[In Exile]

The game should allow you to don't give a **** about Andraste and cut the head of anyone who use an elf as a slave.

 

Your entire political power and base is comprised principally of religious zealots who are Andrastian and believe you to be chosen by Andraste. By all means complain you can't sway them into a crusade to free the elves, but talking about getting your fanatics to be not fanatic about the very thing that defines their fanaticism is kinda missing the point. 

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Your entire political power and base is comprised principally of religious zealots who are Andrastian and believe you to be chosen by Andraste. By all means complain you can't sway them into a crusade to free the elves, but talking about getting your fanatics to be not fanatic about the very thing that defines their fanaticism is kinda missing the point.

Lol, that's how I viewed it. I let them be fanatics to keep the peace and unified while I kept my opinions to myself aside from dialogue choices. Well, that's my head canon since you cannot really go beyond the dialogue questions on your faith.

[Dai Grepher]

Dai,I was station in countries where women holding hands and dancing together was normal. In their culture its a sign of best friends and usually  nothing more.  Seeing this was a shock for the majority of the U.S. Troops at first but,after we started to learn and understand their culture  we  paid it no mind.

 

That has nothing to do with this discussion, but thank you for your service to our country.

 

What are they supposed to do, both follow? That's not how ballroom dancing works.

 

They should both lead, and one should break away and do something while the other holds the other and facilitates it. Then they switch, and the other one does a move back and the other facilitates it. Also, break away and dance individually then come back together. No need for manly gestures. Noooo neeeeeeeed.

 

Holding onto a dance as "proof" of this is though?

 

Yes. It is proof that the choreography was made for a male Inquisitor, and the animation was just slapped on a female with no regard paid to the character's femininity.

 

Did you miss the part where it's a set dance being performed by the entire room? You make two ladies dance differently, you have 50 people all following the right moves, and 2 ladies bumping into them every few seconds. That makes more sense to you, than a lady daring to be the lead partner in a dance? 

 

Whether the Solas romance was planned or not is irrelevant, it's in the final game. Doesn't matter what they planned when they first started. That would only matter if I was arguing Bioware had planned to make a female Elf plot relevant. I'm not debating what Bioware planned, I'm debating how the final game turned out.

 

So what if Solas broke up with an Elf, how does that mean the romance doesn't exist? Before Witchhunt was released, Morrigan romancers were in exactly the same position. Doesn't change the fact that Morrigan is the most important romance to the plot. It doesn't give you any extra options in the main game, because it's not important to have extra choices locked behind a romance, it's about having more emotional relevance to major events. Choosing to have the baby adds extra context if you have that romance on top of all the other factors going on. Same with the Solas romance. Cassandra has something similar to this with the Divine choice, but this isn't nearly as major as Solas. You could also remove her from the game with very little effect after the first few hours. The game wouldn't even exist without Solas. So I'm going to disagree with Cassanda being more important plotwise.

 

Not sure why you point out a human has no valid reason to go with Solas. Last I checked, running off to destroy the world isn't a valid choice just because your ex-boyfriend told you too. Also, the fact you don't see the appeal of Solas has nothing to do with whether he is plot relevant or not. The fact that there is no happy ending doesn't suddenly make it less important.

 

You keep bringing up the fact you deal with humans. But how is this more effective if you play a human yourself? These are all different cultures from your own, it's not something you have a direct relationship to, it's not something your human has an emotional connection to, unlike the Elf where the the issues deal with your own culture, your own beliefs. Tell me how any of those plots relate to your character to the same degree of having your entire religion and culture turning out to be a lie, simply because of the fact you are human? There isn't anything, because they are not "human" plots. They are "Orlesian" plots, or "Tevinter" plots, etc. 

 

You then point out a human should care about Orlesian plots because it relates to the Inquisition. Aka exactly the same reason an Elf would care. 

 

You then repeat the exact reason why the game is relevant to an Elf, because your religion gets crushed. But for some reason you think it's less relevant because you don't get a happy ending where your religion might be true. Happiness is not related to relevance, no matter how many times you try to point out bad things happen to an Elf.

 

You then say Solas takes you on a bad date. What does this have to do with whether it's relevant? You just keeps pointing out that things suck for an Elf character.  Yes, I think most people will agree with you. Nobody is saying "Elves get the most romantic, happiest play through where everything works out and all their dreams come true!". How many times can I say whether the story is happy has nothing to do with whether it's the relevant...

 

You are the Herald because they saw your magic and "Andraste" herself helped you. Nobody cares afterwards what you say. This goes for any race. But a human who is revealed as a fraud will get off lighter than an Elf, always. And the fear might disappear for a human who believe they are really chosen, but the "default" Dalish-type Elf will know they are a fraud because they don't believe the Maker even exists, so they will always fear what will happen when people find out.

 

Sure, why not? It'd be no different from the rest of the clipping errors throughout the game. No obviously you would modify the dance at the point so that they don't bump into anyone else. Lead partner is one thing, masculine is another.

 

It is in the final game, which is why I addressed it anyway. Just know that it was not given much thought by the devs. It was made toward the end of production. It wasn't thought of as a major plot.

 

It means the romance went nowhere. So it isn't important. It might be in the next game, but that's the next game. As for now, a friend Inquisitor gets the same or even a better result from Solas.

 

The game would exist in a different form. Solas caused it to go a certain way. Cassandra caused it to go a certain way. Both were important to shaping the game's events. I think Cassandra's role was more important, as she established the Inquisition by force. Solas saved you from his own blunder because he needed you. That isn't meaningful, its self-serving. And so what if that shapes the story? By the same logic, Hawke shaped the story even more than Solas because of the events of Legacy.

 

Yes, romance content is important. And what content did Solas have? Kiss in the dream, kiss on the balcony, maybe remove your slave marks, get dumped.

 

Yet the female elf can say she wants to go with him. The game knocks this down with "reasons". The human requires no such reasoning. It makes it less relevant. That your "romance" only ends in him leaving you means there is only one ending with maybe two different feelings about it. Cassandra by contrast allows you to continue the romance, or have it ended because of what Cassandra has to do. More storyline options with Cass than Solas.

 

Because humans are better suited to deal with humans. They come from a position of equals in the eyes of those other humans. Knowledge of human culture also helps. Logically and elf should struggle to navigate the social nuances of human civilization.

 

That's if an elf cares about the Inquisition, a human organization.

 

I thought I wrote that the elven religion did not get crushed. Well, I don't think it gets crushed (what is there to crush?). Hmm. Deja-vu. Have we been here before, doing exactly this? I think the elven religion just gets a bit of a twist.

 

It isn't about a happy ending. It's about a varied ending. The human can have their faith crushed or renewed, or stay the same. The elf's options are more limited because of dialogue and choices.

 

Well this points out that the elf female playthrough has poor storyline content. Better content exists in the human playthrough, thus the game is better suited to the human.

 

Except that isn't what happens, in any playthrough. And there is no option for the player character to show such a concern. So its a moot point.

 

Your belief about what the elf would think in that situation could apply to a human as well. And I suggest that an elf might get off lighter than a human if proven a fraud. Killing a human is no big deal. Killing an elf like that could provoke a war. So there are different interpretations for that hypothetical storyline.

[Abyss108]

That has nothing to do with this discussion, but thank you for your service to our country.

 

 

They should both lead, and one should break away and do something while the other holds the other and facilitates it. Then they switch, and the other one does a move back and the other facilitates it. Also, break away and dance individually then come back together. No need for manly gestures. Noooo neeeeeeeed.

 

 

Yes. It is proof that the choreography was made for a male Inquisitor, and the animation was just slapped on a female with no regard paid to the character's femininity.

 

 

Sure, why not? It'd be no different from the rest of the clipping errors throughout the game. No obviously you would modify the dance at the point so that they don't bump into anyone else. Lead partner is one thing, masculine is another.

 

It is in the final game, which is why I addressed it anyway. Just know that it was not given much thought by the devs. It was made toward the end of production. It wasn't thought of as a major plot.

 

It means the romance went nowhere. So it isn't important. It might be in the next game, but that's the next game. As for now, a friend Inquisitor gets the same or even a better result from Solas.

 

The game would exist in a different form. Solas caused it to go a certain way. Cassandra caused it to go a certain way. Both were important to shaping the game's events. I think Cassandra's role was more important, as she established the Inquisition by force. Solas saved you from his own blunder because he needed you. That isn't meaningful, its self-serving. And so what if that shapes the story? By the same logic, Hawke shaped the story even more than Solas because of the events of Legacy.

 

Yes, romance content is important. And what content did Solas have? Kiss in the dream, kiss on the balcony, maybe remove your slave marks, get dumped.

 

Yet the female elf can say she wants to go with him. The game knocks this down with "reasons". The human requires no such reasoning. It makes it less relevant. That your "romance" only ends in him leaving you means there is only one ending with maybe two different feelings about it. Cassandra by contrast allows you to continue the romance, or have it ended because of what Cassandra has to do. More storyline options with Cass than Solas.

 

Because humans are better suited to deal with humans. They come from a position of equals in the eyes of those other humans. Knowledge of human culture also helps. Logically and elf should struggle to navigate the social nuances of human civilization.

 

That's if an elf cares about the Inquisition, a human organization.

 

I thought I wrote that the elven religion did not get crushed. Well, I don't think it gets crushed (what is there to crush?). Hmm. Deja-vu. Have we been here before, doing exactly this? I think the elven religion just gets a bit of a twist.

 

It isn't about a happy ending. It's about a varied ending. The human can have their faith crushed or renewed, or stay the same. The elf's options are more limited because of dialogue and choices.

 

Well this points out that the elf female playthrough has poor storyline content. Better content exists in the human playthrough, thus the game is better suited to the human.

 

Except that isn't what happens, in any playthrough. And there is no option for the player character to show such a concern. So its a moot point.

 

Your belief about what the elf would think in that situation could apply to a human as well. And I suggest that an elf might get off lighter than a human if proven a fraud. Killing a human is no big deal. Killing an elf like that could provoke a war. So there are different interpretations for that hypothetical storyline.

 

So, you think at the start of the dance they should have gone to every other dancer and told them to dance in an alternate form that would acommerdate two women dancing in a different way? There is an entire room doing the same set dance with the same set moves. That's how it works. Do they all dance with these alternate moves? Because that how the dance works, they all do the same routine. You don't have a room full of people doing a set routine and two people doing whatever they want. That's not how that style of dance works. At this point you are just arguing they should have made complete fools of themselves and gotton kicked out because of this wierd vendetta only you have against a women leading a dance.

 

Anyway, I'm dropping out of this now because most of your points are just saying a human has an easier time/ is more accepted, which is actually a very large part of my own point. Your other points just blatantly ignore game facts like saying there are more consequences for killing an Elf than a human, which I'm not sure how you could ever claim if you have played of the games.

 

I don't think this is going anywhere anymore and I've already posted most of my points. 

 

[Dai Grepher]

So, you think at the start of the dance they should have gone to every other dancer and told them to dance in an alternate form that would acommerdate two women dancing in a different way? There is an entire room doing the same set dance with the same set moves. That's how it works. Do they all dance with these alternate moves? Because that how the dance works, they all do the same routine. You don't have a room full of people doing a set routine and two people doing whatever they want. That's not how that style of dance works. At this point you are just arguing they should have made complete fools of themselves and gotton kicked out because of this wierd vendetta only you have against a women leading a dance.

 

Anyway, I'm dropping out of this now because most of your points are just saying a human has an easier time/ is more accepted, which is actually a very large part of my own point. Your other points just blatantly ignore game facts like saying there are more consequences for killing an Elf than a human, which I'm not sure how you could ever claim if you have played of the games.

 

I don't think this is going anywhere anymore and I've already posted most of my points. 

 

 

Yes. BioWare should have set it to where there were two women dancing together regardless, or at least has feminine holds for Florienne and F!Inquisitor until it was just them dancing, then they break into the female specific choreography.

 

Also, your point is moot because if you pick the "wrong" dialogue choice the dance moves change anyway. So no, different dance moves were not impossible to implement, because they were implemented.

 

It isn't me with the problem. I had a male human mage as my Inquisitor, so it fit for him. There are MANY F!Inquisitor players who had a problem with the dance.

 

I was responding to your subjective opinion about how an elf would feel and how the people of Thedas would respond to an elf who turned out to be a fraud. The game itself does not reflect any such feelings, as I point out to you, and how an elf or human might feel is subjective.

 

As for how people would respond, that too is subjective with no in-game facts to support it because the people never turn on the Herald regardless of race or choice. I think if the people were going to bring retribution to anyone, they would do it to one of their own. Harming an elf would run the risk of provoking the Dalish to violence at a time when factions were already at war.

[Dabrikishaw]

So again, your "proof" that a male Inquisitor is canon is a sexist notion of how women "should" dance.

 

Do you not see why some of us find this ridiculous?

[The Baconer]

They should both lead, and one should break away and do something while the other holds the other and facilitates it. Then they switch, and the other one does a move back and the other facilitates it. Also, break away and dance individually then come back together. No need for manly gestures. Noooo neeeeeeeed.

 

Truly, a gem. 

[Dai Grepher]

So again, your "proof" that a male Inquisitor is canon is a sexist notion of how women "should" dance.

 

Do you not see why some of us find this ridiculous?

 

No. My proof is that a female Inquisitor's femininity was paid no regard for the dance when she was assigned the same dance animations as the male Inquisitor.

 

You find "it" ridiculous because you aren't recognizing what my point actually is. You're posting things I never wrote. It has nothing to do with how I think a female should dance with another female. It's about BioWare not accommodating a female Inquisitor as much as a male Inquisitor. It's about a male fitting the game events better than a female.

 

I'm not suggesting a female Inquisitor is impossible. I'm pointing out that a male Inquisitor makes more sense in context of the game events.

[ModernAcademic]

No, it doesn't make sense for the Inquisitor to necessarily be a man, seen as the main religion in Thedas exalts a woman and not a man (Andraste). That it's two women who start the Inquisition (Cassandra and Leliana). That the greatest empire in Southern Thedas is ruled by a woman (Celene). And it was a woman who truly ruled Ferelden beside a weak king (Anora).

 

In a land where women are always saving the day, as Cassandra puts it, it makes more sense for the Inquisitor to be a woman.

[BronzTrooper]

 

No, it doesn't make sense for the Inquisitor to necessarily be a man, seen as the main religion in Thedas exalts a woman and not a man (Andraste). That it's two women who start the Inquisition (Cassandra and Leliana). That the greatest empire in Southern Thedas is ruled by a woman (Celene). And it was a woman who truly ruled Ferelden beside a weak king (Anora).

 

In a land where women are always saving the day, as Cassandra puts it, it makes more sense for the Inquisitor to be a woman.

 

 

* female Warden saves Ferelden and stops the Blight *

 

* male Hawke sets off the events that lead to the chaotic setting of DA:I *

 

* female Inqusitor cleans up Hawke's mess *

 

That is what came to mind while read this 

[Dai Grepher]

 

No, it doesn't make sense for the Inquisitor to necessarily be a man, seen as the main religion in Thedas exalts a woman and not a man (Andraste). That it's two women who start the Inquisition (Cassandra and Leliana). That the greatest empire in Southern Thedas is ruled by a woman (Celene). And it was a woman who truly ruled Ferelden beside a weak king (Anora).

 

In a land where women are always saving the day, as Cassandra puts it, it makes more sense for the Inquisitor to be a woman.

 

 

But men are allowed to serve in the Chantry. Even mages are. They light the fires. And men are allowed to carry the message of Andraste by being Chanters. So a male being Andraste's messenger or "Herald" is sensible. Besides, the Herald isn't to be exalted anyway.

 

But that reminds me about the Divine discussion. Fits a male better. Why can't a male be Divine? Because he's a man. Okay, makes sense. Why can't a female be Divine? Um... uh... because she's too powerful for the job? Wut?

 

Three women, technically. Divine Justinia V gave the order to revive the Inquisition if the conclave failed. Cassandra instituted it by force, and Leliana made it function (poorly, IMO).

 

If this is just cheer-leading for females, then first, irrelevant. Second, there are plenty of points to be made against Celene and Anora both. But if your point is that the Inquisitor's story fits a woman simply because women exist elsewhere in power, um... how? And, where's your sense of diversity and gender equally? The Inquisitor should be male because "fairness".

 

* female Warden saves Ferelden and stops the Blight *

 

* male Hawke sets off the events that lead to the chaotic setting of DA:I *

 

* female Inqusitor cleans up Hawke's mess *

 

That is what came to mind while read this 

 

Wait wait wait... Loghain messes things up, F!Warden cleans it up. Male Hawke messes things up, F!Inquisitor cleans it up... Are you saying women should be cleaning up after men?

[In Exile]

But men are allowed to serve in the Chantry. Even mages are. They light the fires. And men are allowed to carry the message of Andraste by being Chanters. So a male being Andraste's messenger or "Herald" is sensible. Besides, the Herald isn't to be exalted anyway.

 

The Herald is openly worshiped. It's why you're deemed a heretic.