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[Tidus]

Beerfish,Camine is also a sassy mouth Inquisitor.. She doesn't like or trust Solas.. I think in this game she will slug Solas.

[AlanC9]

Playing a faithful Dalish is hard? Try playing one who is opposed to the Dalish ideas - a renegade of sorts. You can't do it.

Well, you could go full Andrastian, right?

[Andrew Lucas]

I wouldn't be surprised if that female elf mage who romanced Cullen cause pretty boy angst is the OP's canon.

Ugh.

[Mistic]

In Exile,I've done that in DA:O but,its not impossible to hint you may not be happy with the ways of the Dalish. You will need to screen your answers very carefully to get the point across. Close to this... "I wasn't happy and I'm not going back"

 

In DA:O it may be possible, but probably because there are more lines to choose from and an origin that can provide some backstory (heck, just with the first scene of the Dalish Origin you can decide if your PC is more fanatic than Tamlen about humans or the voice of reason of the two, or if they were a troublemaker or the most formal elf in the tribe).

 

I wish DA4 offers origins again. And Bioware can't say it was a one game wonder; a similar idea is used in SWTOR for the player characters.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if that female elf mage who romanced Cullen cause pretty boy angst is the OP's canon.

 

Now that you mention it, an elf Inquisitor can have Dalish vows in her wedding with Cullen, and also there's that argument about Dalish beliefs with Sera that can threaten their relationship. So the Elfquisitor has special parts in other game romances apart from Solas.

[Tidus]

Mistic,Next time you play DA:O as a Dalish Elf and if you haven't already take some time to talk to Tamlen.. Seems both was trouble makers and Tamlin was caught brawling and didn't give the Keeper the names of the other ones involve.Before going to get Merrill ask the keeper why the clan is leaving.. If you killed the humans she's highly upset and you chose to run them off then she's still not happy but,more forgiving since you only ran them off.

 

I also messed up the story of the Dales and the story teller wasn't to please.

[Mistic]

Mistic,Next time you play DA:O as a Dalish Elf and if you haven't already take some time to talk to Tamlen.. Seems both was trouble makers and Tamlin was caught brawling and didn't give the Keeper the names of the other ones involve.Before going to get Merrill ask the keeper why the clan is leaving.. If you killed the humans she's highly upset and you chose to run them off then she's still not happy but,more forgiving since you only ran them off.

 

I also messed up the story of the Dales and the story teller wasn't to please.

 

I've played it, several times, as I've done with the other origins (have I said I love the origins? Oh, yes, I do), and Tamlen has a set personality. The Dalish PC, however, is up to you.

 

For example, Tamlen was caught for something bad and wanted the Keeper to forgive him, but for what? In option 1, we don't know, but we know that the PC was involved too and Tamlen covered for him/her. In option 2, it was clearly the brawling and both were in it, but Tamlen got caught. In option 3, the PC is a goody two-shoes and he/she is implied to take care of Tamlen because everyone knows he's a troublemaker.

 

But there is more! Another dialogue with Tamlen says the PC should have been helping Varathorn. Depending on your answer, it's because the PC loves hunting (Tamlen implies he/she is the best of the two), or loves travelling and exploring (to the point Tamlen is afraid he/she will end up living in a human city), or was punished, or wanted to check on Tamlen (or was sent to, if Tamlen's suspicions are correct).

 

So many options, just in a single dialogue that can shape your character. That level of roleplaying hasn't been reached neither in DA2 nor in DA:I.

[DreamSever]

I couldnt play an elf further then the ball, arm problems and weird animations, not to mention it looked like he hadnt eaten for months. Granted a qunari animations dont look better but at least hes built for war. Elves have always been my fav race too but their build needs to be slightly bigger. I can only play human or qunari sadly

[Tidus]

I don't think I could ever play a qunari for some reason I don't like the idea of horns sticking out of Tidus or Camine's head-ugh!

 

As far as the female elf looking skinny.. She fits  Twiggy's looks. Thinly built with large eyes.

 

Whatever floats one's boat is fine by me.

[DreamSever]

Barely notice the horns funnily enough i can create better qunari's then elves unmodded, which shouldnt happen most of the time. Besides qunari's are easier to roleplay asking all the questions he wouldnt know, the outsider story works best for a val shoth, clean slate believing in no deity until eventually realizing he could believe. One of my better playthroughs in fact

[AlanC9]

So many options, just in a single dialogue that can shape your character. That level of roleplaying hasn't been reached neither in DA2 nor in DA:I.

It wasn't reached often in DA:O either.

[kal_reegar]

To me, the best inquistor (or warden, or hawke) is always:

 

- human

- male

- warrior/rogue

- noble, if possibile

 

why?

Because I'm human, male, I don't have strange powers/abilities that make me a sort of outcast freak, and fortunately I've a good standard of wealth.

 

I've notice that in these conditions my immersion and indentification with the character is much better.

And for me a good immersivity/identification is fundamental: I need to feel that is "almost me" speaking and making choiches. Something like "if I were the inquisitor, I would have done pretty much the same".

 

For example: flirting with Cassandra seems "natural". She's a nice girl, I'm straight, so it's all ok.

On the other hand, interpreting a female inquisitor and flirting with Cullen or the Iron bull is... bleah. I don't know, there is something creepy, artificial and estranging in it.

 

That's because immersivity is what I want in an RPG (and not because I'm against gay sex, just to be clear)

Other players may want freedom of interpretation above all. In that case, I think that an elven female mage is probably a very good choiche.

[Tidus]

Kal,Like I said watching female hips swivel  seems more natural to me then watching Tidus's hips. I use him of course but still.

 

Never could get into character with a hume when there is a elf character I can use.

[kal_reegar]

Kal,Like I said watching female hips swivel  seems more natural to me then watching Tidus's hips. I use him of course but still.

 

Never could get into character with a hume when there is a elf character I can use.

 

ahahah... I dont' really care about stilyzed, covered hips... when I play I watch tha landscape and the mini-map.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate a good hot omance-scene, but when I'm running in the wilderness I focus on other things.

 

 

I've a question for you (if you don't want to aswer, don't).

In your real life, do you consider yourself more an "outsider" or a "conformist"?

[Qun00]

@Dai Grapher

I never said that DAO didn't offer special dialogue. I said that both DAI and DAO have that.

If you feel that you're incapable of roleplaying a character in a story that isn't related to his/her race, that's fine. We all have our limitations.

But we are given all tools to play a character who comes from such background.

[Tidus]

Kal, I've always been a free spirited rebel that enjoys life to its fullest.. I could never be a conformist since they have too many rules.

[Dai Grepher]

Dai,You simply don't understand women could not be a Roman soldier.

 

The Inquisition uniform is gender neutral.. Camine looks sharp in that uniform and her light red hair and large green eyes stands out  and if anybody at that ball thinks she doesn't look like a female needs their eyes checked.

 

What you want is the female inquisitor to dress in a formal ball gown and fit the part.. The Inquisitor is a soldier not a socialite and therefore probably doesn't even own a ball or a evening gown or have the desire to buy either one for a evening of hoopla and the next day back to combat..

 

They why did you bring them up as an example?

 

Not entirely. The females have an outward curved chest piece. But the female ball uniform has no reason to look like the male version.
 

Vivienne Greatly Disapproves.

[Dai Grepher]

You can repeat that the animations are masculine as much as you want, that won't magically make it the truth.

 

Now if you are talking about the animation on the throne, that looks ridiculous for anything other than male Qunari, but I don't think that means a Qunari is a better character to play.

 

You say if I wore a suit I would get one fitted for a women. So did they characters, they are obviously wearing the female version. Otherwise it wouldn't fit on their bodies the way it does.

 

The best characters to take to the temple are Solas, Cassandra, Sera, Dorian etc. I assume you want me to say Solas because he's Elfy and most are your arguments seem to come down to arguing a human should deal with human areas of the game. It's not that simple. Dorian isn't Elfy but he's a good choice to take because of his country's history with Elves. Which, come to think of it, is the same reason an Elvhen Inquisitor is a good character to play in a lot of the human areas.

 

So you think the animations a male performs are not masculine? Are they feminine?

 

You are claiming it looks ridiculous to you. That's not the same as pointing out that it is a masculine pose. Ladies don't spread their legs like that while sitting in front of people.
 

I'm referring to style, not fit. It isn't feminine enough. It looks too similar. Female suits in real life have their differences from men's suits.

 

Nope. My point is that you acknowledge that Solas is the better fit for that quest. Likewise I point out that the male human mage is the best fit for the game. Thank you for agreeing with me finally.

[kathic]

My elf play through was my favorite by far.

[Abyss108]

So you think the animations a male performs are not masculine? Are they feminine?

 

You are claiming it looks ridiculous to you. That's not the same as pointing out that it is a masculine pose. Ladies don't spread their legs like that while sitting in front of people.
 

I'm referring to style, not fit. It isn't feminine enough. It looks too similar. Female suits in real life have their differences from men's suits.

 

Nope. My point is that you acknowledge that Solas is the better fit for that quest. Likewise I point out that the male human mage is the best fit for the game. Thank you for agreeing with me finally.

 

You just completely ignored how I pointed out that 

 

1 - The moves are not feminine or masculine. They are neutral and I have seen women perform them.

 

2 - I have both seen other women wear suits like that and worn them myself at times.

 

3 - Dorian, a human, is equally as good a fit as Solas.

[Dai Grepher]

 

You keep saying that it's relevant but, again, what's relevant is down to personal opinion.

 

I understood your point about Ameridan, I was making a separate one that he was also an Inquisitor. Just because you felt the decision regarding him was more significant to a human it doesn't make it extra 'content'. Elves can be loyal to the Qun after all so whether you see race playing a huge part in the characters motivations is down to you. Even if others would believe a human inquisitor more in this case it is just another example of something that works out better for the them rather than that which makes them more suited to the game as a whole.

 

Plus that is just one scenario out of many and wasn't even part of the original planning as it takes place in a dlc. There are situations such as the ones I mentioned in the main game. Why would a human want to back Briala? An elf would choose between the three for their own reasons. They have a choice between stability or making things better for other elves.

 

With regard to the mural in trespasser, she probably does suspect but then there's the disbelief or uncertainty people mentioned that they wanted earlier in this thread. She's not going to turn around and say "Hey everyone, Solas is Fenharel, he removed/offered to remove my vallaslin just like this!". It's confirmed through gameplay (collecting codex entries) that the moment any inquisitor would know for certain is when they collect the last one in Darvaarad.

 

 

Oh I don't know I think the female looks pretty badass on the throne. Weird that I like this but not the dance yet you seem to be vice versa. Just proves Bioware can't predict our individual tastes.

 

 

No it isn't. It's down to facts.

 

Didn't claim it was extra content, just that it was content that the human fits better than the other races. There are other examples of such in the game.

 

Unless Jaws of Hakkon was just cut content that was later added back in for more money. A human might side with Briala because he wants to tap into her spy network, or weaken Orlais, or because he believes the elves should have better lives. But what does a Dalish care about flat-ears?

 

Huh? I don't think her throne animations suit her either.

[Dai Grepher]

Playing a faithful Dalish is hard? Try playing one who is opposed to the Dalish ideas - a renegade of sorts. You can't do it.

 

What?!

 

The game makes you call the elven pantheon "false gods" if you ask Solas the relevant questions.
 

[Dai Grepher]

@Dai Grapher

I never said that DAO didn't offer special dialogue. I said that both DAI and DAO have that.

If you feel that you're incapable of roleplaying a character in a story that isn't related to his/her race, that's fine. We all have our limitations.

But we are given all tools to play a character who comes from such background.

 

Oh. My fault.

 

I can roleplay it just fine, but it's mostly headcanon. There should be more in-game options to define the character. It isn't immersive enough for an elven character.
 

We're given the tools to play as that, but the game itself does not provide much freedom to use those tools.

[Dai Grepher]

You just completely ignored how I pointed out that 

 

1 - The moves are not feminine or masculine. They are neutral and I have seen women perform them.

 

2 - I have both seen other women wear suits like that and worn them myself at times.

 

3 - Dorian, a human, is equally as good a fit as Solas.

 

1. You're wrong. The animation is masculine. You dismiss facts that contradict you.

 

2. Suits like what?

 

3. Is he equally as good a fit as Varric?
 

[Abyss108]

1. You're wrong. The animation is masculine. You dismiss facts that contradict you.

 

2. Suits like what?

 

3. Is he equally as good a fit as Varric?
 

 

1 - OK I guess all the women I've seen were secretly men in disguise since they don't fit this arbitrary make-up standard of femininity you have which no one else agrees with. 

 

2 - Suits with similar fits as the one in Inquisition.

 

3 - No Varric isn't a good fit because he has no history. Dorian is a good fit because of his countries history with Elves. The same way an Elf is a good fit for the rest of the game because of the same history.

[Elite Fennec]

I think that's exactly the point here - these things are all individual taste! Not something that can be decided as being simply masculine or feminine.

 

 

You say that but they quite obviously differentiated between the male and female animations for the controlled character, running and such. So where does that end and the gender neutral animations start? It seems to be in cutscenes I guess, maybe I've just answered my own question.

 

No it isn't. It's down to facts.

 

Didn't claim it was extra content, just that it was content that the human fits better than the other races. There are other examples of such in the game.

 

Unless Jaws of Hakkon was just cut content that was later added back in for more money. A human might side with Briala because he wants to tap into her spy network, or weaken Orlais, or because he believes the elves should have better lives. But what does a Dalish care about flat-ears?

 

Huh? I don't think her throne animations suit her either.

 

You're the only one that seems no be aware of these 'facts'*.

 

You did describe it in that way in an earlier post.

 

A dalish might care about flat ears because they care about the political landscape of the country in which they are building their organisation.

 

What exactly is wrong with this? Oh god maker forbid a women's legs should be even slightly open but a man can open their's as much as they want. Do you want her to sit in a pathetic way like Queen Elisif? She is a woman of power and she is in control.

 

 

*or seems to believe them.

 

What?!

 

The game makes you call the elven pantheon "false gods" if you ask Solas the relevant questions.
 

But they are false gods that's just a fact.