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The Best Inquisitor: A Female Elf?


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The game was originally written for humans and it still shows. And it wasn't meant to be so easy to see through everything. The main story revolves around Faith and presumptions. Not being the smug outsider who says "Aha!" when it all goes their way.

 

Besides that, the last Inquisitor was an elf..and one of the original Dalish. Not to mention the default Warden was a female Dalish (then Garahel before her, who was a city elf). How many elves gotta play this role? :P When Stolen Throne first got written, Dalish were rare and people doubted they even existed. Now they're everywhere, dictating to people. And yet Velanna and Merrill whine about how they lack any modern legends or stories.


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I never got the impression that the OP was saying their preference is objectively better, just wondering how many share their experience. Of course one choice isn't objectively "better" than any other, that's silly.
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The game was originally written for humans and it still shows. And it wasn't meant to be so easy to see through everything. The main story revolves around Faith and presumptions. Not being the smug outsider who says "Aha!" when it all goes their way.


The story can just as well revolve around a lack of faith and the presumptions that come with it. Nothing says you gotta be all smug and I told you so! just because you were right.

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The story can just as well revolve around a lack of faith and the presumptions that come with it. Nothing says you gotta be all smug and I told you so! just because you were right.

 

But that's exactly what people are.

 

So much so that they make threads declaring it better or "meant to be". :P



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The elf Inquisitor has little to no connection to the storyline. Just because the game touches on the elves and their lore (and their incorrect lore) doesn't mean the game is applicable to elves.

 

Most of the areas, conflicts, and people are of human theme, and so a human is the best suited to deal with human issues.

 

Also the Solas "romance" is bogus. He only experiments with you somewhat, and then he dumps you unless you dump him first or break up mutually. He doesn't take you with him. And even a human can make him change his mind about people.

 

So ultimately, anything the elf does, the human can do better.

 

The game best fits a male human mage.


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But that's exactly what people are.
 
So much so that they make threads declaring it better or "meant to be". :P


Ack, miscommunication. I was referring to player characters, not players themselves.

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I never got the impression that the OP was saying their preference is objectively better, just wondering how many share their experience. Of course one choice isn't objectively "better" than any other, that's silly.

What part of the OP's explicitly stated "best story" leaves room for a humbler interpretation?

 

It's possible to phrase these things objectively without implying bias.

 

"Which race and class did you play? Did his or her race and/or class affect his or her decisions as Inquisitor? Did his or her race and/or class provide any unique insights as inquisitor? I played as a female Dalish elf and I appreciated how (etc.)"

 

It's the difference between saying "I liked the Morrigan romance because I enjoyed watching her learn to care about someone else" and "It makes the most sense to romance Morrigan in DAO because that's the one that has the most ties to the story." The former is about the player's experience and the latter implies that one choice is more "canon" than others. Nothing about the former statement implies that the experience wasn't memorable or worthwhile. It just avoids criticizing the validity of other choices.

 

I feel like the ancient Orlesian architect who decided that the market should have 8 silks over it. He had "There were sixteen rods" carved on his tombstone. Mine will read "Your choices are right FOR YOU."


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Ack, miscommunication. I was referring to player characters, not players themselves.

 

It's smug on a character level too.. As I pointed out, elves keep playing this protag/hero role in major acts of the lore.

 

I like elves myself though.. don't get me wrong. I like the Dalish Warden especially. Both male and female. I guess it's my canon.. but recently, I've been trying Dwarf noble jerk warden. :P



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It's smug on a character level too.. As I pointed out, elves keep playing this protag/hero role in major acts of the lore.
 
I like elves myself though.. don't get me wrong. I like the Dalish Warden especially. Both male and female. I guess it's my canon.. but recently, I've been trying Dwarf noble jerk warden. :P


Dwarf noble jerk Warden can be lots of fun. B) Make ALL the dick choices!

Though I'm still genuinely confused as to what you mean by smugness. Is it smug for a non-Andrastian not to automatically believe they're the Herald of Andraste, just because people tell them so? If somebody told me I was Jesus reincarnate I'd give them the eyeball and run away.
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What part of the OP's explicitly stated "best story" leaves room for a humbler interpretation?

It's possible to phrase these things objectively without implying bias.

"Which race and class did you play? Did his or her race and/or class affect his or her decisions as Inquisitor? Did his or her race and/or class provide any unique insights as inquisitor? I played as a female Dalish elf and I appreciated how (etc.)"

It's the difference between saying "I liked the Morrigan romance because I enjoyed watching her learn to care about someone else" and "It makes the most sense to romance Morrigan in DAO because that's the one that has the most ties to the story." The former is about the player's experience and the latter implies that one choice is more "canon" than others. Nothing about the former statement implies that the experience wasn't memorable or worthwhile. It just avoids criticizing the validity of other choices.

I feel like the ancient Orlesian architect who decided that the market should have 8 silks over it. He had "There were sixteen rods" carved on his tombstone. Mine will read "Your choices are right FOR YOU."


When the OP writes "my personal favorite" and "I think".
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As I mention.. I use a Elf mage and the story line fits fairly well even when saying the Maker wouldn't send a elf--just like the maker wouldn't send a mage. Josephine even asks if the Elf is having problems from other people. Cassandra even asks her if she plans on returning to her clan.

 

Maybe those that don't know the story line for the Dalish Elf has never used one or rushes through the game with very little talking.

 

I've also seen the hate for Elves on this forum so,maybe that plays a part as well?


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When the OP writes "my personal favorite" and "I think".

So, we should ignore the closing argument, "... in regards to the 'best story', I think the female elven mage makes the most sense"?



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No. These are all blank slates for you to craft stories around. No one is more right than someone's elses.


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So, we should ignore the closing argument, "... in regards to the 'best story', I think the female elven mage makes the most sense"?


We're not ignoring it. We're identifying that they say "I think", there, in the very sentence you quoted. Their subjective opinion and experience.

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Every race has ties to the story.

 

Considering how big a deal red lyrium turns out to be, Carta-affiliated Cadash has a unique insight.

As a member of a chronically under-represented and distrusted race, it's interesting to watch Adaar navigate Ferelden and Orlesian social situations.

Trevelyan grew up amid Chantry politics, so the words "Herald of Andraste" are probably meaningful, if only because of family history.


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My "canon" Inquisitor is a Dalish elf... but I play her like a human. *bwahaha!*

Maaayhem!

(Or does she make the *most* sense?)

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I'm playing a female elf at the moment and it's been a fun playthrough so far. However, I still think my female Trevelyan Mage is my overall favorite out of all of my Inquisitors.



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Whether you prefer playing an elf or not, I really feel that elves are tied most strongly to the story. I liked playing a Qunari as well but his race didn't tie into the plot. I thought Trespasser was going to have a lot of references to his race, maybe the council mistrusting him and thinking he might be working with the other Qunari but nope, not even a mention. It's mind boggling to me that the game was originally going to be Human-only.



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That's way i prefer a child of the stone,few things are  better than steal the elven legacy for a dwarf.



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I think it largely boils down to personal taste - my elf mage romancing Solas may indeed be more tied into the plot in some ways than my dwarf who romanced Blackwall, but I still enjoyed playing my 'canon' dwarf the most of all my Inquisitors so far. For me, being a fish out of water in regards to the human and elven stuff was more fun.

 

However, if you're definition of 'best' is purely 'most tied into the central plot' then yes, I think you're right.

I think this is the meat of it. "Best" is subjective, however the central plot ties elven PCs have + the stuff with solas can make it very personal and for many that makes it a more powerful RP experience and "better" for them.

 

I'm of this camp myself, I played the hell out of DA:O and don't have a single Warden or worldstate I consider my "canon", they're all great in their own ways. In DA:I however no playthrough has had quite the impact of my female elf mage. I personally loved how the plot reveals and the solas romance turned her into a rather tragic character who had all her worldviews destroyed and had to make it through that while still being the hero. It felt kind of rare to get that sort of experience for a protagonist from a BioWare game. 

 

That is of course not to say it's for everyone, but it is a unique experience and worth a try for anyone playing DA:I imo. 


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What part of the OP's explicitly stated "best story" leaves room for a humbler interpretation?

 

It's possible to phrase these things objectively without implying bias.

 

"Which race and class did you play? Did his or her race and/or class affect his or her decisions as Inquisitor? Did his or her race and/or class provide any unique insights as inquisitor? I played as a female Dalish elf and I appreciated how (etc.)"

 

It's the difference between saying "I liked the Morrigan romance because I enjoyed watching her learn to care about someone else" and "It makes the most sense to romance Morrigan in DAO because that's the one that has the most ties to the story." The former is about the player's experience and the latter implies that one choice is more "canon" than others. Nothing about the former statement implies that the experience wasn't memorable or worthwhile. It just avoids criticizing the validity of other choices.

 

I feel like the ancient Orlesian architect who decided that the market should have 8 silks over it. He had "There were sixteen rods" carved on his tombstone. Mine will read "Your choices are right FOR YOU."

Indeed,for my perspective romance Leliana was an engaging experience in DAO that can lead her to be influenced to some extent in DAI as well.
But from here to say that she is the most canon romance ever! Nope,she was right for my story.

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If the Inquisitor actually goes on to play a key role in dealing with Solas, I might agree that a Dalish elf fits best, but for Inquisition itself I don't really agree. The story to me is still mostly about Andrastean faith, even with the Arbor Wilds and Trespasser. And even when it does tie into Elven faith I feel very little opportunity is offered to reflect on it from an elven perspective.

Even Trespasser, that presumably wasn't written only for humans, the attitude of the Inquisitor still seems to me to be very much that of an outsider learning the truths behind someone else's myths, rather than someone whose interest is more than academic or practical.

Personally I'd go for human mage for the "best story" in DAI.
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Of all the possible Inquisitors, a female elf seems to be the most appropriate for the story. This is because elves are truly at the center of everything that happens in Inquisition; their lore is everywhere. Which is actually an interesting twist. The first half of the game seems very human-centric, but when all the big revelations start coming, which continue into the DLC, the elves are suddenly at the center of it all. There is also the issue of romance: Solas is awesome. His romance is my personal favorite because it ties directly into the main story, kind of like Morrigan's romance in Origins. It's even better if the Inquisitor is a mage.

 

With all the elven lore, and the parallels to Inquisitor Ameridan, and a potential romance with Fen'Harel himself, a female elven mage just seems to make way too much sense.  

 

So I'm curious about everyone's thoughts on this. Yes, I know the Inquisitor can be anyone you want him/her to be, but in regards to the "best story", I think the female elven mage makes the most sense. 

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

You'd think so from the number of times the fans of female elves say it, but no. It is absolutely not true. Your choices are not superior to other people's choices. 

 

It's amazing how often people say that only when it applies to non-human playthroughs, but then turn around and claim superiority with a human playthrough.

 

Elf stuff barely comes up before the Arbor Wilds. There is Solas' precious Orb but apart from that there's not much. Before the wilds it's almost entirely human politics and Andrastianism. The Inquisitor doesn't spend most of the game being called the Herald of Mythal, y'know.

 

The orb that started it all is an ancient elven artifact, which changes the implications of the game once discovered.

 

Skyhold, your base of operations for the entire second half of the game, is an ancient elven building, which you know from the get-go.

 

Half the places you visit are all steeped in elven significance and history--Shyhold again, the Exalted Plains, the Emerald Graves, Emprise du Lion, Halamshiral, the Arbor Wilds, and at least two ancient elven ruins.

 

The entire finale is steeped in elven significance. The Arbor Wilds, the Temple of Mythal, an encounter with ancient elves, the Well of Sorrows, meeting Mythal herself, getting one of Mythal's dragons to help you for the final battle (either Morrigan shapeshifted or another dragon found at one of Mythal's lesser temples), stopping Corypheus from using said ancient elven orb from destroying the fabric of reality once and for all.

 

One of your companions turns out to be an ancient elven god. (Or so elven lore remembers him as.)

 

While the first 90% of Trespasser focuses on the Qunari invasion, the last stretch reveals that the mastermind behind the attacks is the Egg Man himself, and the reason the Qunari and the Egg Man got the best of you is because most of your elven staff are either Qunari or Fen'Harel spies, and last significant stretch of the DLC involves revelations about not only the elves' history, but their future. (Since the Qunari and Fen'Harel are both rearing for renewed attacks and they both have elven spies at their disposal.)

 

For once the entire game is not personally hand-tailored for and by the human player. For once we have a game where non-human players have some bragging rights, and you human fans still try to take that away. (God forbid a non-human player can get excited about how much content the game lets us enjoy our playthrough, instead of only content that lets you brag about how objectively superior your human playthough is.)

 

It's as bad as the Cousland fans [snip]. And I say this as one of those Cousland fans.

 

No, Cousland fans are worse. Let me help you there. As a non-Cousland fan I see things you don't see.

 

Anyone writers a pro-elf thread like this? There are literally several to dozens of you jumping to tell us "no." (As you can observe in this thread.)

 

Anyone writes a less than glowing thread or comment about Couslands? Several to dozens of you shout that person down or tell them "no." I should know.

 

At times I feel like the only person in the entire DA franchise that doesn't kiss the ground the Couslands walk on, yet it's never safe to express so. Any post I make that even mildly criticizes them gets drowned out by a sea of Cousland fans emphatically explaining how objectively wrong I am. Any post made that even mildly praises the elven playthrough (like this thread) gets drowned out by a sea of human fans emphatically explaining how objectively wrong we are and how objectively superior your Cousland/Trevelyan human playthrough is.


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The orb that started it all is an ancient elven artifact, which changes the implications of the game once discovered.

 

Skyhold, your base of operations for the entire second half of the game, is an ancient elven building, which you know from the get-go.

 

Half the places you visit are all steeped in elven significance and history--Shyhold again, the Exalted Plains, the Emerald Graves, Emprise du Lion, Halamshiral, the Arbor Wilds, and at least two ancient elven ruins.

 

The entire finale is steeped in elven significance. The Arbor Wilds, the Temple of Mythal, an encounter with ancient elves, the Well of Sorrows, meeting Mythal herself, getting one of Mythal's dragons to help you for the final battle (either Morrigan shapeshifted or another dragon found at one of Mythal's lesser temples), stopping Corypheus from using said ancient elven orb from destroying the fabric of reality once and for all.

 

One of your companions turns out to be an ancient elven god. (Or so elven lore remembers him as.)

 

While the first 90% of Trespasser focuses on the Qunari invasion, the last stretch reveals that the mastermind behind the attacks is the Egg Man himself, and the reason the Qunari and the Egg Man got the best of you is because most of your elven staff are either Qunari or Fen'Harel spies, and last significant stretch of the DLC involves revelations about not only the elves' history, but their future. (Since the Qunari and Fen'Harel are both rearing for renewed attacks and they both have elven spies at their disposal.)

 

For once the entire game is not personally hand-tailored for and by the human player. For once we have a game where non-human players have some bragging rights, and you human fans still try to take that away. (God forbid a non-human player can get excited about how much content the game lets us enjoy our playthrough, instead of only content that lets you brag about how objectively superior your human playthough is.)

 

 

 

Yes, as I said, the Orb is elven. And it's being wielded by a former human who was part of the greatest human empire in history which fell due to his actions and is now a shadow of what it was, with it being held at bay by another human empire. The religion he was the high priest of also fell due to his actions and the religion that supplanted it even within his homeland is almost entirely human, with the occasional elf who abandoned their original culture. The orb is just a tool.

 

Skyhold has been built on by dozens of different groups. The original fortress was elven and it's greatest significance was during elven times, but over the ages it has become more human then elven. there is very little of it's original architecture remaining. You have to cart an Eluvian there from Orlais.

 

Most of the places you list were significant to the elves and are significant to humans. The Exalted Plains were dalish territory but they are the human controlled location where the civil war for control of the second greatest human empire is raging. The Emerald Graves were dalish territory. But now they are the human controlled location where a group of human refugees have banded together under the leadership of an unacknowledged human noble in order to resist the human agents of a once human monster. The Emprise Du Lion is even further from it's elven roots. There is less content related to elves there then the other two areas and while it was once dalish territory it is human territory where a human business and land owner sold land to human agents of a once human monster so that they could imprison humans and use them to create a dangerous resource under the leadership of a demon. Halamshiral was once Dalish territory. But it is the human run location where the peace talks to decide the fate of the second greatest human empire are taking place, where a human agent of a once human monster attempts to seize power. The most elf centric results possible are having an elf sleep with the person who is in charge or having an elf blackmail the person who is in charge.

 

The Arbour Wilds and Cradle of Sulevin are the only places that remain truly elven, with the Temple of Silence and the knights crypt having been invaded by humans before the Inquisition gets there.

 

Yes, the finale is steeped in elven significance. Like how the other 85% of the game is steeped in human significance. Even then, I had to sit there as a human lectured my elven mage character about elven history, culture and magic.

 

One of your companions is an ancient elven god. If you count important members of the Inquisition, you will find far more with connections to humanity then you will elves. Charter is the only other important member of the Inquisition with a strong connection to elves and even then it is purely racial.

 

Yes, elven stuff becomes important in the last 10% of Trespasser. Which means it wasn't in the first 90%. Human politics, human religion and the alien culture that threatens human lands was the focus. While the elven stuff was once more just tools and background decoration.

 

The game is still, on the whole, dealing with human culture. Human politics, human religion, human kingdoms. Elven stuff isn't important until the last 10 or 15% of the game. Again, we don't spend half the game being called the Herald of Mythal. We don't get unique options when judging people as a result of being a devout member of the elvish faith. Or dwarvish. Only human. For every Elf only set of armour, there are three human only ones.

 

Would you mind pointing out how, exactly, I am a "human fan"? Where I bragged about human being "objectively superior"? Both of those statements are wildly untrue.

 

If I have a racial preference in Inquisition it is for qunari. And if you think elves have historically been badly served content wise you really need to have a qunari playthrough or three.

 

I think that anyone who insists there is an "objectively superior" or "best" PC needs to be tarred and feathered. There is no best and anyone who insist there is is a fool. if you like I can try to dig up posts where I have said more or less exactly that in the past. Having preferences is perfectly valid. I have my own favourites, my own picks for what I think works best with inquisitions content.

 

But insisting that elves offer the "best" experience when most content connects more strongly to humanity is daft. Both because it is an attempt to diminish other players experiences, which is not okay, and because it conflicts sharply with the evidence.

 

EDIT: Having said all of that, I want to go out of my way to make clear that I don't think the majority of content connecting more with a human character in any way diminishes an elven character or those who play them. Nor do I think it is a good thing or even okay. If options are presented they should be given roughly equal importance and weight. Elves are underserved compared to humans, dwarves compared to elves and qunari can only glare enviously at all three.

 

I just don't think there is much point tricking myself about how much elf content there is.


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Even Trespasser, that presumably wasn't written only for humans, the attitude of the Inquisitor still seems to me to be very much that of an outsider learning the truths behind someone else's myths, rather than someone whose interest is more than academic or practical.


I didn't get this impression at all on my first run with a Dalish mage. However, I wasn't playing him as an actual believer...more like someone who thought that all of this stuff was just useful metaphors. So I'm not quite sure what you were looking for and didn't get.