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[CosmicGnosis]

Clarification: I actually haven't played through the game as a female elven mage. I plan to eventually, though. See, I've been trying to figure out if I should stick with my male human mage as my canon, or replace him with the female elven mage. I do agree with some of the posts in this thread that present a compelling case for the human mage as an "ideal" Inquisitor. The story flowed really well for my skeptical Trevelyan. I suppose that DA:I caters well enough to both humans and elves. I hope that BioWare eventually places heavy emphasis on the dwarves and qunari.

[DebatableBubble]

My thoughts exactly.
 

 
It's amazing how often people say that only when it applies to non-human playthroughs, but then turn around and claim superiority with a human playthrough.
 

 
The orb that started it all is an ancient elven artifact, which changes the implications of the game once discovered.
 
Skyhold, your base of operations for the entire second half of the game, is an ancient elven building, which you know from the get-go.
 
Half the places you visit are all steeped in elven significance and history--Shyhold again, the Exalted Plains, the Emerald Graves, Emprise du Lion, Halamshiral, the Arbor Wilds, and at least two ancient elven ruins.
 
The entire finale is steeped in elven significance. The Arbor Wilds, the Temple of Mythal, an encounter with ancient elves, the Well of Sorrows, meeting Mythal herself, getting one of Mythal's dragons to help you for the final battle (either Morrigan shapeshifted or another dragon found at one of Mythal's lesser temples), stopping Corypheus from using said ancient elven orb from destroying the fabric of reality once and for all.
 
One of your companions turns out to be an ancient elven god. (Or so elven lore remembers him as.)
 
While the first 90% of Trespasser focuses on the Qunari invasion, the last stretch reveals that the mastermind behind the attacks is the Egg Man himself, and the reason the Qunari and the Egg Man got the best of you is because most of your elven staff are either Qunari or Fen'Harel spies, and last significant stretch of the DLC involves revelations about not only the elves' history, but their future. (Since the Qunari and Fen'Harel are both rearing for renewed attacks and they both have elven spies at their disposal.)
 
For once the entire game is not personally hand-tailored for and by the human player. For once we have a game where non-human players have some bragging rights, and you human fans still try to take that away. (God forbid a non-human player can get excited about how much content the game lets us enjoy our playthrough, instead of only content that lets you brag about how objectively superior your human playthough is.)
 

 
No, Cousland fans are worse. Let me help you there. As a non-Cousland fan I see things you don't see.
 
Anyone writers a pro-elf thread like this? There are literally several to dozens of you jumping to tell us "no." (As you can observe in this thread.)
 
Anyone writes a less than glowing thread or comment about Couslands? Several to dozens of you shout that person down or tell them "no." I should know.
 
At times I feel like the only person in the entire DA franchise that doesn't kiss the ground the Couslands walk on, yet it's never safe to express so. Any post I make that even mildly criticizes them gets drowned out by a sea of Cousland fans emphatically explaining how objectively wrong I am. Any post made that even mildly praises the elven playthrough (like this thread) gets drowned out by a sea of human fans emphatically explaining how objectively wrong we are and how objectively superior your Cousland/Trevelyan human playthrough is.

Then let me apologize. I've been pretty abrasive towards elf fans because of what I perceive is certain players' special snowflake syndrome. This isn't fair because not everyone is like that.

It's pretty obvious I hate the DA elves. I hate their culture and their narrative as this "oh look at me I'm so oppressed" people. Before Inquisition, I thought they were completely and utterly uninteresting. And now that Bioware's revealed more information about their history (that the downfall of their empire was just as much their fault as it was the humans), it's gotten me interested where they'll go with this, with Solas in particular because he's an interesting character even though I want to but him like a fish. But no, there are certain elf fans who think this justifies racism, both fictional and otherwise. You're entitled to think that as well as hate the Couslands just as I'm entitled to think that's a load of Bantha crap and think they're swell folks. I'll leave it up to you to decide what this says about me.

So let's just agree to disagree because this argument is pointless due to our different perspectives. I'll just keep my trap shut and seethe in silence from now on.

[NaclynE]

Sadly I'm going to have to say so far female qunari mage because of how deep your character is with both Sera and Iron Bull.

 

Sera treats you as love and first sight and regardless of how angry she gets with your character she knows you can take it and finds it impossible to break up with you. 

 

Iron Bull wise you and him grew up on two different styles of qunari life and at times (depending on how you respond to it) it can be quite the political clash.

 

Not to mention if you remember your DA 2 history of how orlias hates qunari and have been trying to go to war with them....it's instant biggitry in WICKED EYES, WICKED HEARTS. Despite not really being involved your character is just flat out hated. That's some serious realistic wtf.

 

The only thing upside about being a fem elf is romancing Solas and getting the true intentions from him but being a female qunari your a participant of ongoing war between Orlias and the qunari.

[CosmicGnosis]

What is this Cousland argument that keeps coming up? Just curious...

[kimgoold]

I cant give an unbiased opinion on this as I always play a female elf anyway, 99 times out of a hundred as a mage with the occasional rogue or warrior thrown in. But this DAI did seem very elf-centric story and lore wise to me  and felt more relevant to an elven character, especially a dalish one. 

[GoldenGail3]

I play all races so I don't really care by this point who's better or not. XD

[kiiltz]

I think the only people that can objectively say which is suited the best are the ones that have played all four races.

 

That said, I played as a Female Lavellen Rogue that had a friendship turned rivalry with Solas and it seemed to fit just fine. Yes, the first half of the story revolves around human conflict but I feel that it's presented to the PC as if they were an outsider (so in a way, it's also equally better for Dwarves, Qunari). E.g the little talk you have with Solas just before you get to Skyhold concerning the orb, Josephine asking if anyone has called you "knife-ear", the "I'm Dalish, I believe in our own gods" options.

 

Ironically, it's the second half, the Elvehnen part, where I felt it kind of slipped. Dalish options seemed to come fewer and far between, my Lavellen somehow knew how to dance at Orlesian balls perfectly and there was just no general acknowledgement of a Dalish spending such a prolonged time with humans, even if it was because of the Anchor. Also, on my second proper playthrough (I abandoned my first to fix my world state) I screwed up my Clan war table missions and the Lavellen clan was wiped out (unlike the first) and the fact that NO ONE acknowledged it kind of ruined the immersion.

[Dai Grepher]

Skyhold, your base of operations for the entire second half of the game, is an ancient elven building, which you know from the get-go.

 

No it isn't. The game clearly states that humans built over it many times before finally abandoning it.
 

[Andraste_Reborn]

What is this Cousland argument that keeps coming up? Just curious...

 

Some people argue that Cousland 'fits' the story of Origins better than the other origins because they have a personal vendetta against Howe and/or because they can marry Alistair and/or Anora.

 

(I disagree completely, despite my 'canon' Warden becoming Princess-Consort in the most cliched way possible. All of the origins except the Dalish one have a strong tie to one part of the story or another, some of them more interesting than the ones Cousland gets. And ironically, that Dalish origin I thought was weirdly isolated and irrelevent back in 2009 has turned out to be probably the most significant in the long run, because of the return appearance of the Sabrae clan in DA2 and the revelations about elven stuff in DAI.)

[GoldenGail3]

Some people argue that Cousland 'fits' the story of Origins better than the other origins because they have a personal vendetta against Howe and/or because they can marry Alistair and/or Anora.
 
(I disagree completely, despite my 'canon' Warden becoming Princess-Consort in the most cliched way possible. All of the origins except the Dalish one have a strong tie to one part of the story or another, some of them more interesting than the ones Cousland gets. And ironically, that Dalish origin I thought was weirdly isolated and irrelevent back in 2009 has turned out to be probably the most significant in the long run, because of the return appearance of the Sabrae clan in DA2 and the revelations about elven stuff in DAI.)

Lol! My Canon Warden romaced and married that sucker, she's the definition of a cliche lady. Romantic, headstrong warrior (which is my Cousland) falls for a easy-going bastard...

[straykat]

Origins has a lot of bases covered. I think I could say there isn't really a best character type. Besides that, Wardens are so generic that anything can fit the story. Their mission isn't very political or specific (blights/darkspawn). It's not a very Ferelden-ish story so much as an intro to the DA setting.

 

I'd say tampering directly with Ferelden, Orlais, and the Chantry makes Inquisition far more specific (almost as much as DA2 is). It tries to sell itself off as some kind of generic story DAO was, but it isn't. The Inquisition are not the Grey Wardens, despite them diluting things in the 11th Hour to fit in extra races.

[Dai Grepher]

Cousland haters be jelly.

[Tidus]

As far as Cousland and IMHO its that old Hollywood fairy tale come true-a dashing hero saving the day.. In sharing Col. Sherman Potter's words I say "road apples!"  He/she barely fits the story line. A Dalish Elf isn't much better nor is a Dwarf. A CE fits better for many reasons if you follow the story line and that requires not rushing through the game with both eyes wired shut-I realize you elf haters will never buy that so,whoop de do and to bad for you.

 

The icing on the cake for the CE is killing Vaughan,Howe,Loghain, the Slavers and saving the Alienage from the 'Spawn.  Plus the quest to remove the demons in the orphanage shorty after killing the slavers.. For Camine additional sweetness comes from dumping Alistair on Queen Anora's lap. For Tidus that additional sweetness is found when he and Leliana departs to travel the world.

[Wulfram]

I didn't get this impression at all on my first run with a Dalish mage. However, I wasn't playing him as an actual believer...more like someone who thought that all of this stuff was just useful metaphors. So I'm not quite sure what you were looking for and didn't get.

Shock? Disbelief? Some sort of emotional reaction at all? I mean, Sera says "The Dalish. Are going. To. $£%@ themselves" while the Dalish Inquisitor is standing next to her both utterly unaffected and nearly instantly accepting of the truth of the claims - initially there are a few caveats, but soon enough the Inquisitor is saying "These freed slaves actually fought back against the Evanuris posing as gods" without a trace of doubt



All the dialogue seems to be written under the assumption that you're not a believer, that's my problem with it. Even the line that is written specifically for an elf has some of that attitude, with the reference to "Dalish legends".

[sjsharp2011]

for me female elf fit's best in the story but I think it's open to interpretation however. I would asy so far it's probably my favourite way of playing of the ones I've experienced

[Navasha]

To me the story and information you get definitely feels more involved and fleshed out as a female elf.    Of course, humans always feel kind of bland to me anyway so I am sure there is some bias there as well. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

He/she barely fits the story line. A Dalish Elf isn't much better nor is a Dwarf. A CE fits better for many reasons if you follow the story line and that requires not rushing through the game with both eyes wired shut-I realize you elf haters will never buy that so,whoop de do and to bad for you.

 

See, that's exactly the kind of silliness people dislike from Cousland fanatics.

 

It's absolutely fine to prefer one origin over another, but you don't make any coherent argument for why humans, dwarves and Dalish elves 'barely fit the story line.' I personally think that Cousland, Amell, Aeducan, Brosca and Tabris all work about equally well in different ways. (As I previously mentioned, I thought Mahariel was weirdly disconnected from the story during DAO, but at least hindsight makes their origin relevant.)

 

Aeducan is my personal favourite, though. Returning home to Orzammar to sort out the succession and remove Bhelen's head from his shoulders was the best part .

[Tidus]

Its not silliness if one follows and understands the  story line and ask some simple questions like why would a human noble help elves or dwarves? 

 

Why would a dwarf care about humans or elves? 

 

The Dalish don't care about humans or dwarves and they just barely tolerate flat ears because according to them the flat ears isn't any better then their masters. Lt. Mithra made that crystal  clear when you arrive at the Dalish camp--unless one rushes through that scene and skips that part.

 

Playing a mage is a tad better but,still the story line favors the elven mage since they would be more likely to help the dwarves and the CEs. Remember humans don't like mages.

[Dai Grepher]

Its not silliness if one follows and understands the  story line and ask some simple questions like why would a human noble help elves or dwarves? 

 

Why would a dwarf care about humans or elves? 

 

The Dalish don't care about humans or dwarves and they just barely tolerate flat ears because according to them the flat ears isn't any better then their masters. Lt. Mithra made that crystal  clear when you arrive at the Dalish camp--unless one rushes through that scene and skips that part.

 

Playing a mage is a tad better but,still the story line favors the elven mage since they would be more likely to help the dwarves and the CEs. Remember humans don't like mages.

 

But see that's one of the many great things about the Couslands; they are renowned for their kindness and respect toward the elves.

 

The BETTER story is to have the human noble do good for those pity poor elves, city and Dalish.

[Riot Inducer]

Its not silliness if one follows and understands the  story line and ask some simple questions like why would a human noble help elves or dwarves? 

 

Why would a dwarf care about humans or elves? 

 

The Dalish don't care about humans or dwarves and they just barely tolerate flat ears because according to them the flat ears isn't any better then their masters. Lt. Mithra made that crystal  clear when you arrive at the Dalish camp--unless one rushes through that scene and skips that part.

 

Playing a mage is a tad better but,still the story line favors the elven mage since they would be more likely to help the dwarves and the CEs. Remember humans don't like mages.

You seem to be forgetting the whole bit about being a Grey Warden, and the Blight, both of which supersede personal interest. You're going to try and recruit, Dwarves, Dalsih, & Mages regardless of your personal feelings on the matter because you've got treaties that obligate them to help you and you aren't going to get far against the blight without allies to back you up. 

[vertigomez]

Its not silliness if one follows and understands the  story line and ask some simple questions like why would a human noble help elves or dwarves? 
 
Why would a dwarf care about humans or elves? 
 
The Dalish don't care about humans or dwarves and they just barely tolerate flat ears because according to them the flat ears isn't any better then their masters. Lt. Mithra made that crystal  clear when you arrive at the Dalish camp--unless one rushes through that scene and skips that part.
 
Playing a mage is a tad better but,still the story line favors the elven mage since they would be more likely to help the dwarves and the CEs. Remember humans don't like mages.

Yeeeaah, this isn't any better than the "Couslands are the bestest!" tripe. Grey Wardens are Grey Wardens, and theoretically their priority is supposed to be the Blight. Even if it wasn't, dwarves and elves and humans are individuals with individual feelings. Any one of them might help other people because they have bleeding heart syndrome, or they're pragmatic and it seems like a good decision, or just for the lulz.

Why don't people understand that the "best" or ideal playthrough of any game is all in your head?

[NaclynE]

Some people argue that Cousland 'fits' the story of Origins better than the other origins because they have a personal vendetta against Howe and/or because they can marry Alistair and/or Anora.

 

(I disagree completely, despite my 'canon' Warden becoming Princess-Consort in the most cliched way possible. All of the origins except the Dalish one have a strong tie to one part of the story or another, some of them more interesting than the ones Cousland gets. And ironically, that Dalish origin I thought was weirdly isolated and irrelevent back in 2009 has turned out to be probably the most significant in the long run, because of the return appearance of the Sabrae clan in DA2 and the revelations about elven stuff in DAI.)

 

 

Lol! My Canon Warden romaced and married that sucker, she's the definition of a cliche lady. Romantic, headstrong warrior (which is my Cousland) falls for a easy-going bastard...

 

 

Origins has a lot of bases covered. I think I could say there isn't really a best character type. Besides that, Wardens are so generic that anything can fit the story. Their mission isn't very political or specific (blights/darkspawn). It's not a very Ferelden-ish story so much as an intro to the DA setting.

 

I'd say tampering directly with Ferelden, Orlais, and the Chantry makes Inquisition far more specific (almost as much as DA2 is). It tries to sell itself off as some kind of generic story DAO was, but it isn't. The Inquisition are not the Grey Wardens, despite them diluting things in the 11th Hour to fit in extra races.

 

Well frankly my canon story being the Cousland has actually been quite neat (even though I played a female and married Alister to her become queen). This seems like it has been played out quite well in my main canon storyline with Hawke being a mage killer in DA 2 and my inquisitor getting a queen and queen for Orlias.

 

Flip side my other plots have been quite interesting like my Vayhura storyline Logain survived (even though I believe I had him die at the end of DAO not the warden mission in DAI) and opned other neat possibilities like the werewolves surviving while that dalish clan is dead. In DA 2 Merril's clan was saved and was my fem Hawkes mate. Since the main point of the story line seems like it's being pro mage I went pro mage in DAI as well and had my fem mage woo Cullen. The Demoir storyline has been quite dark full of people dieing but has been done in quite the work of art. Like since my warden female mage Moonphase had Cullen envoke the rite of tranquility the mages in the tower were fully killed. This has been a factor to DAI. Since my female mage loved then killed Anders I was blown away by this moment. Regardless of how anti mage this storyline has been it seems like it has been well written to be towards any race.

 

I am working on a few other storylines but would have to see the outcome of DAI to see in general how the other two played out well enough to DAI's standards. I know wives of On so far has been about secret desires regardless of what evil lurks around every corner. Unfortunatly i have the DAI character at 12 so I got ways to go.

[DuskWanderer]

None of the revelations require an elf, or a female one, or a mage, to be relevant. History is history. I've played through as a female elf, and i've played through as not, and there is little difference. 

[Derrame]

nope, female human mage is the best, for humans are the most powerful race

elves are interesting, but they look very week in dragon age world

the tolkien elves are stronger

[Tidus]

Derame,Never underestimate the power of a  supposedly "weak" race.. Seems everybody regardless of size is equal with a weapon in hand a lesson I learn all to well in the days of my youth.