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The Best Inquisitor: A Female Elf?


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#151
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I disagree. Human gets much less unique content, and the generic content never felt like it didn't fit my Elf. There's nothing specifically human about any of the options. The Elf doesn't need anything more than dialogue options and tweaks.

 

Mythals temple is bad, yeah. The rest was fine for me.

 

For you, not for a Dalish Inquisitor though.

 

What unique content does a Dalish get that a human does not get?
 

There is human content. A human can posses Sahrnia's lands as his or her own for example.



#152
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Your entire point about the ball is that women aren't allowed to lead dances... Which is an absolutely ridiculous opinion to hold...

 

That was never my opinion. Please don't post strawman arguments.
 



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"Favors" meaning "Dai Grepher likes it better that way"? It obviously was always intended for a female PC to go through that sequence, so this can't be about the design intent.

 

"Favors" meaning masculine animations for a male Inquisitor.



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That was never my opinion. Please don't post strawman arguments.
 

 

Then clarify, because you have made numerous posts saying exactly that, even after I have posted reasons it is perfectly normal to dance like that.



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"Favors" meaning masculine animations for a male Inquisitor.

 

Which make perfect sense given the entire room is doing a set routine with everyone moving in sync. Change the routine for two people and entire rest of the room has to accommodate. Is there a separate dance routine in Orlais for if two women dance? And then a different one to accomerdate four women? Another for six?

 

Furthermore, your argument that it is the same animation is actually false. There are eight different sets of animation for that scene, one for each race/gender. 



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Everyone's awfully concerned about how other people play a single-player video game. I'm gonna start quoting Koslun whenever this comes up: "Struggle is an illusion. There is nothing to struggle against."
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#157
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Then clarify, because you have made numerous posts saying exactly that, even after I have posted reasons it is perfectly normal to dance like that.

 

I posted exactly what I meant numerous times. If the game wanted to fit a female equally, then it would have given her feminine animations, not copy/pasted the masculine animations of the male onto her. Most people who play a female character want that female character to act feminine. The fact the F!Inquisitor acts masculine at certain points in the game shows that the game was made to better fit a male character.



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Which make perfect sense given the entire room is doing a set routine with everyone moving in sync. Change the routine for two people and entire rest of the room has to accommodate. Is there a separate dance routine in Orlais for if two women dance? And then a different one to accomerdate four women? Another for six?

 

Furthermore, your argument that it is the same animation is actually false. There are eight different sets of animation for that scene, one for each race/gender. 

 

Except giving an answer the court dislikes changes the choreography anyway. So your point is moot. The dance could have been different with the two of them still staying in step with the tempo and staying in line with the other couples.

 

Wait, so you're saying a human female has different choreography than a human male? If that's so then why have you been posting that the choreography HAS to stay the same or else the other dancers would be thrown off?

 

I never observed any such difference between my male human mage and my female elf mage. They do all the same steps to the best of my memory. Do you have video comparisons? Where are you getting this from?



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I posted exactly what I meant numerous times. If the game wanted to fit a female equally, then it would have given her feminine animations, not copy/pasted the masculine animations of the male onto her. Most people who play a female character want that female character to act feminine. The fact the F!Inquisitor acts masculine at certain points in the game shows that the game was made to better fit a male character.

 

You ignored my post that is two above yours. (Edit: you replied in the time it took me to type this reply!)

 

Also, do you have some stats to back up that claim that "most" other people want their female Inquisitor to be forced to be feminine? There are people that want to be feminine, and people that don't. I'd hate it if I have to act a certain way just because I chose to play a female character.


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Everyone's awfully concerned about how other people play a single-player video game. I'm gonna start quoting Koslun whenever this comes up: "Struggle is an illusion. There is nothing to struggle against."

 

The Qun is a lie.
 



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Except giving an answer the court dislikes changes the choreography anyway. So your point is moot. The dance could have been different with the two of them still staying in step with the tempo and staying in line with the other couples.

 

Wait, so you're saying a human female has different choreography than a human male? If that's so then why have you been posting that the choreography HAS to stay the same or else the other dancers would be thrown off?

 

I never observed any such difference between my male human mage and my female elf mage. They do all the same steps to the best of my memory. Do you have video comparisons? Where are you getting this from?

 

The races/genres are all different heights/shapes. The same animations don't sync up. The devs have said in interviews that this scene required 8 different animation sets.

 

The steps are the same, but they went to the effort of animating it for every differently race/gender combination. So equal effort went into creating this scene for every character, it wasn't just lazily only making a human male version.


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You ignored my post that is two above yours. (Edit: you replied in the time it took me to type this reply!)

 

Also, do you have some stats to back up that claim that "most" other people want their female Inquisitor to be forced to be feminine? There are people that want to be feminine, and people that don't. I'd hate it if I have to act a certain way just because I chose to play a female character.

 

Patience. I am using Internet Exploder, which only lets me reply to one post at a time. One of my home computers has FireFox, which allows for multi-quote, which I'm not on at the moment.
 

I didn't write "forced to be feminine". This is the problem. You aren't reading what I'm actually writing, and you are replying with a misconception of what my position truly is.

 

You would huh? Well then you should understand my point about a female Inquisitor being forced to act masculine.



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Each potential character has different insight on the story. 

Inquisition expanded the game's lore significantly in every respect. Dragon Age needed it badly. It barely took off in DAO and stalled in DA2. 

 

I found male human mage playthrough to be the one I was most immersed in the story with. It felt right, to me of course.


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The Qun is a lie.


Suffering is a choice, and we can refuse it.
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Patience. I am using Internet Exploder, which only lets me reply to one post at a time. One of my home computers has FireFox, which allows for multi-quote, which I'm not on at the moment.
 

I didn't write "forced to be feminine". This is the problem. You aren't reading what I'm actually writing, and you are replying with a misconception of what my position truly is.

 

You would huh? Well then you should understand my point about a female Inquisitor being forced to act masculine.

 

I don't consider having to play the leading role in a Ballroom dance to be forced to act "masculine". No reason a women can't lead a dance. No reason she can't follow either.

 

You are the one who keeps saying you need a specifically "feminine" dance routine for female Inquisitor and saying that playing the lead is explicitly "masculine" and shouldn't be done by a female character.



#166
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Leading a dance is not masculine at all. It's just defaults to the man when a man and a woman dance.

 

When two women dance together one of them has to be the lead. The dance is the same no matter what.

 

It's all about the roles. In fact, many teachers encourage that you learn the steps for both leading and following.

 

Personally, I love spinning. Why should women always get to have the fun? :D


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Why is that? The developers planned the game around a human. The others races were added later. How is that not proof that the game fits a human better? It was designed specifically for a human.

 

There is next to nothing about elven lore. You have the orb, which is now being used by a darkspawn magister, and you have Mythal, who is now being carried by a human witch. Where is all the elven lore?

 

The storyline involves human countries, human nobles, human religion, and human problems. Clearly a human is better suited to deal with these problems.

 

I referred to game events. You probably didn't see the post. Mages turn to human Tevinter. Templars are all human and it takes human Orlesian nobles to approach them. Most people in Haven and Skyhold are human. The Grey Wardens are mostly human. Most of the important people at Halamshiral are human. Emprise du Lion and Sahrnia, Exalted Plains, Emerald Graves. Even the antagonists are human. Alexius, Lucius, Samson, Calpernia, Erimond, Servis, Florienne, the Venatori, the Red Templars, the Freemen of the Dales, the Blades of Hesserian, the bandits, the dragon hunters in the Western Approach, the Jaws of Hakkon, etc. Every person you judge; human. Most of the romances; human. Humans everywhere, doing everything.

 

Elven ruins and such are side content until you get to the Temple of Mythal, and even here the atmosphere is "polluted" with human interference and the feel of it is overshadowed by Morrigan. And I just cringe when my female elf mage would ask "who is this supposed to be" when examining elven mosaics. She didn't even recognize Falon'Din when she wears his vallaslin. How much more immersion breaking can you get than that?

 
No I didn't read your post, I apologise. I disagree with it all the same.
 
Just because a human character is surrounded by others of their race and its issues does not necessarily make them better suited to dealing with them. A person moving to another country wouldn't be less capable of doing a job because of their race it depends on the individual. Even if the human inquisitor is better suited to dealing with organisations and nobles who says that that makes for a better story?
 
You are in Orlais and Ferelden which is preponderantly populated by humans. Even if the devs had devoted a large amount of time to fleshing out other races content the majority of characters you come into contact with would still be human.
 
Romances are irrelevant unless you feel that one should stick to their own kind and in fact the elf female has the most possibilities.
 
You say that there is next to nothing about elven lore but I find that really quite funny given that it's possible for the protagonist to become a vessel for Mythal and gain ancient elven knowledge, that the true nature of elven pantheon and certain historical beliefs are revealed. Something I felt didn't make my human inquisitor wouldn't have cared one iota for. It may be side content but I love the fact that you can explore areas that are significant to elven history, where my dalish feels connected to their past and everywhere there are ruins and references to the gods, exalted marches and red crossing etc. I never felt the way you described at the temple of Mythal as my Inquisitor would hardly be an expert on ancient history and mosaics.
 
There are also certain things to do with the main story I feel are significant but the point I was trying to make wasn't that elves are better suited, it's that you can't categorically state that any one race is because it's such an individual thing for the player.

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#168
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"Favors" meaning masculine animations for a male Inquisitor.

So your argument actually is that women shouldn't lead dances? If not, what different animations are you asking for?

It looks like your argument relies on a bunch of implicit assumptions which the rest of us don't share. Either that, or you're just not making any sense.
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As Origins tended more for Cousland and DA2 for the mage supporter... Your point?

 

Thing is, there's a chance for all of them equally. If you're the dwarf, the Keeper's First will die and is not even mentioned, same goes for all others and vice versa.

 

You may play Lavellan that hates Solas. You may play other race and be his best friend. You have a reason to condemn him in all scenarios (apart from the obvious fact that he wants to kill everyone, right?)

My point is NONE. Seriously, what the hell? I posted my opinion, and that's all there is to it. Go find someone else to discuss opinions, it is not something I do, in fact it is the most insane and useless thing IMO.

As for Solas I would never be against him, that's why romancing him is interesting. Solas is so perfect I considered worshipping him as a god in real life. Solas is the only person that agrees with me Thedas needs to end. We have diferent reason though, he wants elven kingdom back, I just want DA series to end so that they can stop making awful things like DA2 and DAI and completely destroying characters like Hawke.

Now, since you absolutely did not understand my last post, let me make it clear to you: This is my opinion. I don't want you to understand it or agree with it. I have my opinion, you have yours (which I absolutely don't care), and all other people here have their own and you can agree or disagree with them. But if you want to discuss opinions, my bad, I can't offer this level of futility, but I can assure you there are lots of people here that will try to show how their opinion is valid, right, coherent, logic and so on. I have the only validity I need for my opinion, my own.



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My point is NONE. Seriously, what the hell? I posted my opinion, and that's all there is to it. Go find someone else to discuss opinions, it is not something I do, in fact it is the most insane and useless thing IMO.

As for Solas I would never be against him, that's why romancing him is interesting. Solas is so perfect I considered worshipping him as a god in real life. Solas is the only person that agrees with me Thedas needs to end. We have diferent reason though, he wants elven kingdom back, I just want DA series to end so that they can stop making awful things like DA2 and DAI and completely destroying characters like Hawke.

Now, since you absolutely did not understand my last post, let me make it clear to you: This is my opinion. I don't want you to understand it or agree with it. I have my opinion, you have yours (which I absolutely don't care), and all other people here have their own and you can agree or disagree with them. But if you want to discuss opinions, my bad, I can't offer this level of futility, but I can assure you there are lots of people here that will try to show how their opinion is valid, right, coherent, logic and so on. I have the only validity I need for my opinion, my own.


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Each potential character has different insight on the story. 

 

And on that note, I believe we can agree this is true for everyone and respect each player's choices.  <3


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#172
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The races/genres are all different heights/shapes. The same animations don't sync up. The devs have said in interviews that this scene required 8 different animation sets.

 

The steps are the same, but they went to the effort of animating it for every differently race/gender combination. So equal effort went into creating this scene for every character, it wasn't just lazily only making a human male version.

 

Modifying the same choreography to match height differences is not the same thing as having different choreography based on sex. So my original point stands. The female has the same choreography as the male.

 

It wasn't equal effort. They created the scene for a male, copied it for a female, and then created slight alterations for the other races to accommodate height. The first animation created was for the male. That means the game was made to fit a male, thus the male fits better than the female.
 



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You certainly get alot more bang for your buck as a female elf



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I don't consider having to play the leading role in a Ballroom dance to be forced to act "masculine". No reason a women can't lead a dance. No reason she can't follow either.

 

You are the one who keeps saying you need a specifically "feminine" dance routine for female Inquisitor and saying that playing the lead is explicitly "masculine" and shouldn't be done by a female character.

 

I didn't write that leading was the problem. The problem is the masculine way in which she leads. If they had given her feminine choreography, then leading would not have been a problem. Ideally, she would have feminine movements and would alternate between leading and following, which is what happens if you answer with the wrong responses.

 

No, I wrote that her choreography was masculine because it is a copy of the male's choreography. The female could have led in a feminine way and it would have been fine (except the lack of a ball gown, which is a separate issue). So yes, you should have a female dance routine for a female Inquisitor. That's kind of the whole point of playing a female character.
 



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That's kind of the whole point of playing a female character.

 

Not really. It's entirely possible to play a butch woman on purpose. My human noble Templar who romanced Josie is one of those. The duel scene was absolutely perfect for her. (For that matter, now that I think about it, none of my female Inquisitors have been particularly femme.)


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