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[SNascimento]

Both were delayed. ME1 was delayed by a year iirc.

What was the original release date for ME2?

[JoltDealer]

And the objective that BioWare should live by as most developers do: Make games for your fans NOT for yourself.

Most developers do not do that. Fan feedback is always welcome and, admittedly, there are always nods and Easter eggs thrown into to appease fans. Despite its connotations with bathtubs scenes in anime, fanservice is actually just anything that is done to please fans of the series. Aside from that, developers usually make games according to what they want to see and what they had already planned. They shouldn't let fans dictate what's in the game and most don't.

Think about the average gamer. Unless they have actual training in the subject, most don't know jack about what makes interesting gameplay, nor do they have a clue about proper story structure or character development. There's a video online of Misha Collins (Castiel from Supernatural) letting his young child cook whatever he wants. It's a hilarious affair that ultimately results in an absolutely inedible dish because the kid was acting according to his own tastes without any knowledge of how to cook or even proper measurements, but Misha Collins followed his son's instructions nonetheless.

Basically, you can't make a game 100% for the fans because most fans know nothing about game development. However, you don't need to know how to cook in order to determine whether a dish tastes good or bad, or appreciate when your mom or dad adds a special ingredient that they know you like. Are you following the allegory here? Fanservice is fine, but developers do what they think is best according to their own tastes and professional training and experience. Leave it to the professionals.

[Killroy]

What was the original release date for ME2?

Fall 2009. It was pushed back past the Holidays.

[JoltDealer]

I've seen posts around here cast doubt on the game's current 'Fall 2016' release window. I can't help but agree; I've quietly had this skepticism since last year's E3 teaser.
 
I expect ME:A to be delayed into Spring 2017, with a launch date in or around Q1 of that year.
 
Call it a hunch. I know I'm not the only one who thinks so.

I've had the same thought myself. Do I want it to happen? Of course not. I want to play Mass Effect Andromeda as soon as I can, but I wouldn't be against a delay. After all, Dragon Age Inquisition was delayed by a year and this gave them the time to add mounts and multiple playable races. I would say that in that case, the wait was well worth it.

Here's why I think it won't be delayed. The game had a head start in regards to the fact that it had most of its groundwork in the new engine done by the DAI team. Plus this game has been in development since 2012 at the latest, which is plenty of time in comparison to other video games. Last I had heard, Andromeda was now in a playable state, which makes a delay seem unlikely considering that they have somewhere between nine and ten months to polish, add in voice over, and add the "finishing touches." I'm not saying that it won't be delayed, but I am saying that our chances are looking good.

[Joseph Warrick]

To people saying they prefer Bioware takes their time. The bad parts in ME3 and DAI are not due to time constraints. They are design decisions.

Stupid Kai Leng's cutscene armour is technically polished. Someone thought it was a good idea. The stupid kid (both meat and hologram versions) someone thought it was an effective element. Same for the uninteresting filler in the areas in Inquisition.

I know we used to go to DA2 to advocate for more time. The argument was valid in 2011, but things have changed. These days it's not that Bioware hasn't got the resources to implement their ideas. These days they simply have bad ideas sometimes.

[JoltDealer]

Fall 2009. It was pushed back past the Holidays.

It was released in January of 2010 if I recall.

[SNascimento]

Fall 2009. It was pushed back past the Holidays.

Can you post a link for that? In E3 2009 they were already talking of an early 2010 release. 

Just for reference: http://www.eurogamer...ally-announced 

[Killroy]

It was released in January of 2010 if I recall.

Correct.
 

Can you post a link for that? In E3 2009 they were already talking of an early 2010 release.

I don't have a link but I remember it pretty vividly because at the time I was thinking the major design changes coupled with less than 2 years of dev time were alarming. 
 

Just for reference: http://www.eurogamer...ally-announced 

That link 404s.

[SNascimento]

That link 404s.

Just enter the link manually, it's there. But as an alternative: http://www.ign.com/a...ially-announced

Anyway, both are news from the day ME2 was first announced and give as release date early 2010. Memory can be a treacherous thing.

 

[MrFob]

If they need the extra time, I am all for a delay. I am happy to wait until 2017 if it gives the devs the opportunity to present us with a better game in the end.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I'm not really sure I'll ever understand the notion of disappointment or disapproval of delaying a game. I'll confess to some anticipation around ME 3 when I first played ME and ME 2 the year before it came out, and some for Fallout 4, but I don't think, in either case, I would have been concerned to hear the game was being delayed. I figure it's better if it is delayed than for it to be rushed or released before it has had enough development time.

 

I'm not sure I'm convinced that rumours of delays are anything more than rumours, either. But if it gets pushed back to 2017, I'll take that as a sign that they're concerned with the quality of the final product.

[SNascimento]

I'm not really sure I'll ever understand the notion of disappointment or disapproval of delaying a game.

I suppose people just want the game as soon as possible? 

Personally, I want Andromeda to be the game Bioware wants it to be. If that means delaying it for a day, a month or a year then so be it. The important thing is that it's done.

But it's also worth pointing out that a lack of delay doesn't mean a rushed game nor the opposite means a very polished one. ME3 was delayed and still needed more time. Outside Bioware, Splinter Cell: Conviction is a game that suffered a few delays and still wasn't the game it should have been, we only got that with the sequel. On the other hand, Rise of the Tomb Raider didn't suffer a delay and turned out nicely. 

[Guanxii]

I agree with the sentiment that March 2017 looks inevitable given lack of footage, exposure and history however this is the poorest AAA holiday season in years:

Gears 4 (exclusive to trailing platform)
Call of Duty: Ghosts 2 (the meh heard round the world)
Watch Dogs 2 (no assassin's creed this year, can't wait for this one!)
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (good but generally sells poorly)

Not exactly eye watering competition this year. Tis the season to do huge numbers with EA's full backing methinks. I Don't think EA would miss the boat on this one - if it's anywhere near shippable I reckon they could do 6+ million easy this holiday. Pushing it back into no man's land (early 2017) and it could struggle despite better polish (which could be patched in) and huge marketing.

[aerisblight]

For what I have seen most games gets delayed. Its almost like they give a random release date, and if they make it its a miracle and if they dont whatever.
Imo i dont care when MEA comes out. There are a lot of other games i want in 2016, so its ok if they take their time and release something worth waiting for.

Dai killed me a little inside

[SNascimento]

I agree with the sentiment that March 2017 looks inevitable given lack of footage, exposure and history however this is the poorest AAA holiday season in years:

Rise of the Tomb Raider is proof that the perceived lack of info people have about Andromeda is not evidence that the game will be delayed. 

[sjsharp2011]

As long as it's ready when they do release it I don't really care when it is. Although there is still plenty of time yet so let's not jump the gun before there is any need to.

[sjsharp2011]

Rise of the Tomb Raider is proof that the perceived lack of info people have about Andromeda is not evidence that the game will be delayed. 

Agreed especially as it gets it's PC release at the end of the month. I've preordered it on Steam but wil likely put off playing it for the moment as I do have a couple of other things on the go right now and I want to go through the 2013 game again before playing it.

[9TailsFox]

Rise of the Tomb Raider is proof that the perceived lack of info people have about Andromeda is not evidence that the game will be delayed. 

I am happy if they not revel to much spoiler. DA:I was disaster all companions was spoiled and a lot of other stuff.

[sjsharp2011]

I am happy if they not revel to much spoiler. DA:I was disaster all companions was spoiled and a lot of other stuff.

Yeah would be nice to see some gameplay here and there so we can at least see what it looks like but they wouldn't need to show me too much. Bu tthen that's what shows like E3 are for.

[FKA_Servo]

I am happy if they not revel to much spoiler. DA:I was disaster all companions was spoiled and a lot of other stuff.

 

That's on you, to some extent. Just gotta lock yourself down.

 

I tend to follow a strict "no trailers, no nothin' approach myself.

[N7Jamaican]

To be honest, there is the possibility that this game could get delayed.. But the fact that the majority think this game will get delayed based on some vague pieces of information or no information is alarming. I believe they will hit their 2016 date. We don't know how far in development they are. As far as we know, they could be adding in the finishing details, they have completely scrapped what was originally done in favor of something new. Who knows. We'll see when E3 2016 comes, I bet we will get a release date then.

[Spectr61]

To be honest, there is the possibility that this game could get delayed.. But the fact that the majority think this game will get delayed based on some vague pieces of information or no information is alarming. I believe they will hit their 2016 date. We don't know how far in development they are. As far as we know, they could be adding in the finishing details, they have completely scrapped what was originally done in favor of something new. Who knows. We'll see when E3 2016 comes, I bet we will get a release date then.

Agreed.

However, is there an example of one of their flagship games launching on time?

[SNascimento]

Agreed.

However, is there an example of one of their flagship games launching on time?

Mass Effect 2 if you consider it a flagship franchise back then (I wouldn't, that happened after ME2). But recently? Battlefront? I don't know if it was delayed or not but it certainly was released in the targeted window. 

[N7Jamaican]

Agreed.

However, is there an example of one of their flagship games launching on time?

 

From what I've been told, no. But BioWare/EA knows Mass Effect is their biggest franchise. Dragon Age is huge, but ME is even bigger. I think the best time to release ME:A is Holiday 2016. And obviously BioWare/EA's marketing knows that or they wouldn't have set that as their soft date. Especially with the line-up coming on 2016. It's B+ line-up for 2016, and Mass Effect COULD be GOTY in 2016. Don't know how they'd fair in 2017.  Plus, 2017 is another year away, fans could lose interest by then.

[pkypereira]

Wasn't there a tweet yesterday saying that basically shows that the first hour of the game is in a playable state? Maybe they're just putting the finishing touches to the game. I'm thinking that by now the story should be well defined.