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[berelinde]

Why not he is immortal he can make people a statue in the blink of a eye. He can create things like the Veil. He is worshiped as a god so why is he not considered a god?

For one thing, he doesn't make any claim to divinity, but that may change as his frustration level rises. No matter how good his intentions (in his own mind, anyway), pride corrupts. He could say, "Bwahahahaha! In my youth, you called me a god, and I protested. I knew how far I still had to go to attain my goals. Now, all my goals are realized. Perceive what I have become and tremble!" It (probably) won't happen... but it could.

[Aulis Vaara]

I think it's far more likely we'll find some way to exploit a weakness in Solas' godlike power, rather than matching him at full strength.

Remember Corypheus? "We have to destroy his dragon, which will neutralize his body-hopping abilities just long enough that when we kill him in single-combat, it'll be for good!"

I remember, and I'm still disappointed every time I think of it. All foreshadowing shoved aside in favor of an asspull :-(

[nightscrawl]

It may take a god to beat a god, but that doesn't mean we get to play one.
 
Maybe we play a character that convinces/tricks one god into defeating the other. Or maybe we fight fire with fire -- by starting a new Blight. It's not like that's new territory, at least as far as DA books go.
 
Most likely and sadly, though, we're just gonna be a character that jumps through a bunch of hoops for the privilege of throwing the old deus ex machina switch. Maybe Morrigan will be up for another roll in the hay ...

More likely we'll have to find/build a McGuffin that takes away his power or exploit a weakness.

I think it would be really great if we could "beat" the next game without a boss fight at all. Or rather, without having the player personally fight a boss. Getting someone else to do it would be fine.

T-rex saves the day in Jurassic Park and

Spoiler

World (with help from a raptor buddy).

Something like that would be awesome.

[Aulis Vaara]

I think it would be really great if we could "beat" the next game without a boss fight at all. Or rather, without having the player personally fight a boss. Getting someone else to do it would be fine.

T-rex saves the day in Jurassic Park and

Spoiler

World (with help from a raptor buddy).

Something like that would be awesome.

Right, because the last time Bioware pulled that one, people were left satisfied.

[nightscrawl]

^ It all depends on how it's done.

 

I'm assuming you're referring to the ME3 ending? I haven't played those games so I don't really know a great deal about it. But just because one such ending "failed" (not everyone disliked it), doesn't mean that they can't or won't learn from it, or that they might not do something else entirely. They're creative people, I'm sure they can come up with an alternative to physically fighting the big bad if they really wanted. Or they could go for a double dip and do a mini boss fight, like we had with Orsino, and have the final encounter be solved without fighting.

[nightscrawl]

Remember Corypheus? "We have to destroy his dragon, which will neutralize his body-hopping abilities just long enough that when we kill him in single-combat, it'll be for good!"

 

In one DAI complaint thread someone referred to the lyrium dragon as Corypheus's "horcrux," and I've never been able to forget that.

[TEWR]

My shotgun will work just fine.

 

I AM KROGAN!!!!

[TEWR]

It'd be nice if Bioware could actually make an engaging boss fight to demonstrate the high stakes of it all

 

but they won't, because they don't know what to do really. If Solas is an endgame boss he'll probably be given generic and basic attacks that look dull and ordinary and don't do much damage.

[nightscrawl]

It'd be nice if Bioware could actually make an engaging boss fight to demonstrate the high stakes of it all

 

but they won't, because they don't know what to do really. If Solas is an endgame boss he'll probably be given generic and basic attacks that look dull and ordinary and don't do much damage.

 

I don't think they are incapable of it. BUT, there is something to be said for the difficulty levels and designing encounters based around that.

 

The difficulty setting can go one of two ways. The first is that they can make a complex fight, as Corypheus in the Legacy DLC, and simply have all abilities deal less damage the easier the difficulty -- this is my preference. The second is that they can make a fight whose mechanics change, and become more complex, as the difficulty increases (I don't know the game dev logistics of executing this method) -- I wouldn't want this, as I would prefer to see the fight as it was intended; the baddie shouldn't forget how to do something simply because I lowered the difficulty setting.

 

Unfortunately, I was unable to finish the final fight in Neverwinter Nights 2 on the easiest difficulty, after many attempts, looking up strategies online, and so forth. Maybe it's because I didn't build out my party correctly, or simply because I suck. I'm OK with being bad, and maybe I didn't deserve to win the game (I know there are some players who would think this), but it was extremely demoralizing to continually fail over and over and not be able to do anything about it. I eventually just gave up and never picked the game up again. This is the only game this has ever happened to me.

 

I am not averse to combat in games; I raided for many years in World of Warcraft. My argument for a combat-less finale is not because I dislike combat, it is because I want something different. Also, with the way they're setting up Solas, I think that is deserving of something different. I think it would be lame if he were given basic attacks and the player slowly whittled down his health and then won, or if there were some sort of deus ex machina that was used to defeat him. That would be a terrible way to end things.

[Patchwork]

Right, because the last time Bioware pulled that one, people were left satisfied.

 

If you mean ME3 then people didn't like the endings for a lot of reasons but I don't think the lack of boss fight was one of the main ones.

 

BW's final battles tend to follow a formula of minor enemies, lieutenants and then the big boss, DAI's final battle fell flat for me because it went straight to Coryfish and I didn't feel like I'd earnt my win. That's not to say BW shouldn't shake up the formula just that DAI didn't work for me.

 

If we do play the Inquisitor as one of the protags in DA4 then I suppose it could be that we set up the new guy to fight Solas or whoever while Ink watches from afar.

[Aulis Vaara]

If you mean ME3 then people didn't like the endings for a lot of reasons but I don't think the lack of boss fight was one of the main ones.

Marauder Shields. Seriously, you forgot about that one? That whole meme exists because of the disappointment with a lack of final boss.

[Addictress]

Marauder Shields. Seriously, you forgot about that one? That whole meme exists because of the disappointment with a lack of final boss.

Lack of final boss? People complained about that?

I thought the EPIC fight getting those two missiles up was plenty enough, and the desperate run with the reaper up ahead lasering everyone left and right.....grows more vivid and surreal in my mind in retrospect.

No, I think the ending of ME3 was staged right. The scope of the trilogy and everything fought previously so enormous, a simple final boss would be too stupid. It would be insulting. Sometimes the story is simply too big for a boss.

[Aulis Vaara]

Lack of final boss? People complained about that?

I thought the EPIC fight getting those two missiles up was plenty enough, and the desperate run with the reaper up ahead lasering everyone left and right.....grows more vivid and surreal in my mind in retrospect.

No, I think the ending of ME3 was staged right. The scope of the trilogy and everything fought previously so enormous, a simple final boss would be too stupid. It would be insulting. Sometimes the story is simply too big for a boss.

Well, good for you. Many people were pissed off at a lack of confrontation with Harbinger, and the Extended Cut only rubbed more salt in the wound.

To me ME3 was disappointment, starting after Tuchanka.

[ArcadiaGrey]

A Biotic God?

 

Cause I'd be behind that.  

[Addictress]

Well, good for you. Many people were pissed off at a lack of confrontation with Harbinger, and the Extended Cut only rubbed more salt in the wound.

To me ME3 was disappointment, starting after Tuchanka.

I continue to be disappointed that most people do not have the superior taste that I do.

[sandalisthemaker]

Sandal can topple Solas.

 

This. 

 

Sandal is up to something. I just know it. Hopefully he'll be instrumental in dealing with Solas.  Fingers crossed!!!

 

 

That said, Solas is a little too smug now, and he's got too many power sources swimming around in his head.  I think that will be his downfall. That and his poor foresight and follow through.

 

My non-mage protagonist will give him a run for his money.  I'm not worried. 

[Cydh]

Oh, I'm not worried about Solas.

 

The simplest solution would be to ask Dorian to invite Dagna to the Library of Minrathous, and then have her design something for Sera. Because what's better than arrows to solve a problem? 

 

Spoiler

Time travelling arrows.

[Aulis Vaara]

Oh, I'm not worried about Solas.
 
The simplest solution would be to ask Dorian to invite Dagna to the Library of Minrathous, and then have her design something for Sera. Because what's better than arrows to solve a problem? 
 

Spoiler

Time travelling arrows.

The only timetravel I will accept in this franchise is going back to the Second Sin.

[Cute Nug]

 Why well this one is strong enough to defeat one if he uses the power of a god the next has to fight Solas and well he is a freaking god the strongest of all that are not the maker.

 He is scary strong so any chance to beat him is to be a god also. So what do you think will the next protagonist be a god?

 

Of course the next protagonist will logically have to be a god! We will be Soulless and we get to destroy Thedas for the win!!!

[Vit246]

Maybe Solas will throw the fight and let you win because deep down he wants to lose?

[GoldenGail3]

I continue to be disappointed that most people do not have the superior taste that I do.

I have superior tastes just you don't agree with them.

[Rascoth]

Sandal can topple Solas.

I... have... to... resist....

Nah.

[ModernAcademic]

The next protagonist must be a god.

 

The god of t*ts and wine.

[nightscrawl]

The next protagonist must be a god.

 

The god of t*ts and wine.

 

Wrong series.

[Karmel]

Oh, if I recall Solas already fought with the god or, to be more exact - seven gods (if you believe the legend, it could even be 14 of them  ). They were defeated and still can not help themselves. To beat him you have to be the Maker ... or his ... mommy.

 

You know: "My dear, what are you doing? Again something you're getting into? Go home, wash your hands and sit down, dinner will be for a while."