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Nrober

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I have just noticed that dragon age keep dosent track whether Bull and Dorian are together. Does that mean bioware wont acknowledge it in future games?

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katerinafm

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No, it means it's canon if you don't romance either of them in your playthroughs.



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Andraste_Reborn

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It's the kind of thing they might add a tile for if they decide they need one before DA4. If one or both of them is in the game, I can't imagine it not getting mentioned after Trespasser.

 

No, it means it's canon if you don't romance either of them in your playthroughs.

 

Does Trespasser reflect that? Because if not, I don't think it's likely to work that way.



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nightscrawl

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No, it means it's canon if you don't romance either of them in your playthroughs.

 
You can't say that either way, we do NOT know that at this time. That is only your assumption unless you have a developer quote to prove it.
 
For the OP, there are a few scenarios for the future. Right now it doesn't appear as if the DA Keep team is going to be adding any new tiles until the next game really gets underway as far as development. Even then, they might not update with that kind of thing as it might been seen as an indication of the kinds of content the next game will import (so, spoilers). BUT, it is important to remember that some things are in the Keep ONLY as a record of your world state, and the inclusion of something does not necessarily also mean that it will be called on in a future game. For example, in DAO the Keep shows your Orzammar choice regarding Zerlinda, and it was an option that was requested during the beta, but I really don't foresee that ever being used in any meaningful fashion.
 
The current scenarios are:
1 That they will add a tile reflecting the relationship later on.
2 That it is canon that they ARE together, dependent on whether you [a] recruited both, [b] romanced neither, and [c] had Bull as Tal-Vashoth. -- If you do NOT do his quest he remains with the Qun, regardless of whether you recruited him, AND whether you actually had them hook up in your game.
3 That it is canon that they are NOT together.
 
I see the likelihood as split among all three. We will just have to wait and see. However, since both David Gaider (Dorian's writer), and Patrick Weekes (Bull's writer, and now lead DA writer), both like the pairing, I wouldn't be surprised if scenario 2 wins out.
 
Don't forget that Trespaser was able to make use of certain choices because it was a continuation of your actual saved game. But the next game likely will not have that.
 
 
Because of the way the Keep logic system works, that is, not allowing the player to have conflicting choices (Dark Ritual performed, Warden dead), they might not have been able to work out all of the kinks for the Dorian/Bull relationship in time for Trespasser. Don't forget that they will have to incorporate the player's romance choice, along with Bull's Qun choice, the Trespasser result, and add a separate tile for the relationship, OR incorporate that into their personal tiles.
 
So it's not just a simple thing to add a Keep tile.


Modifié par nightscrawl, 08 janvier 2016 - 03:23 .


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Gervaise

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Please note that at the end of DA2 Isabella and Fenris could be together but that wasn't reflected in any Keep tiles, mostly because it had no relevance to the subsequent story lines.  

 

If anything the extended epilogue for the Dorian/Bull relationship could have been because there will be no further mention of it in subsequent games.   It would be rather odd if it were since it can only occur under very specific circumstances and is said to be something Dorian is keeping secret from everyone else.   So it would not be something that would come up in conversation with a new PC.   Unlike the case of an Inquisitor as lover or friend where we are specifically told that Dorian keeps in touch with them via the crystal and his allies know about it, so it wouldn't be strange if a new PC was made party to the information.

 

Still if it does crop up, it would probably be a case of the writers assuming that if you didn't romance either and kept Bull as Tal-Vashoth, then it did happen as set out in Trespasser, which would be disappointing if in fact they didn't hook up in your play through as it wouldn't reflect your specific world state.     



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thats1evildude

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Yeah, Dorian/Bull is unlikely to have any implications in the future.



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vertigomez

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I got dat epilogue. B) That's good enough for me.