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[aoibhealfae]

Bioware are against their main female character having children too. oh wait, unless they're space elves who reproduce asexually

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I was kind of surprised that even Josephine doesn't really get one, at least no sort of ceremony like those two. 

You couldn't even bring it up with her in dialogue. At least some romances, even though they don't get married, could talk about it with them. But Josephine gets absolutely nothing. 

[Monster A-Go Go]

You know, one of the things that I think DAI really got right were the romances.  It wasn't a cookie-cutter three-conversations-and-get-laid kind of thing.  You had to work for it, and once you had it, you had to work to keep it.  I got to date Sera throughout most of the game, enjoying the other companions' comments about our relationship and feeling that bond between us on the battlefield.  We discussed difficult issues as a couple.  We worked at our relationship.  And when the time came that she called me on hewing more to my elven beliefs than to the Maker, she declared it too much and dumped me!

 

Seriously, in a world where I'm the all-powerful Inquisitor, a great uniter, an expert strategist, a charismatic tour-de-force - in a world where I am basically a Shepard-like god figure, I got my heart broken in two by a genuine difference of opinion with someone I had spent half the game loving.  And it was final.  There was no mending that rift.  No forcing her to see my way.  We had just found the thing that prevented us from working, and that made us break.

 

I would love for that depth and reality to come through into MEA's relationships.  Let us enjoy the benefits of having a significant other throughout the majority of the game.  Let us worry about them in battle and let our dalliances be the target of other companions' jokes.  But don't make them love zombies unwilling to call us on our bulls**t.  Give them complexity and needs and triggers that our character has to satisfy, and let us leave them if they don't fulfill the same in us. 

 

My romance with Sera was unlike anything I've experienced in a video game.  For once, a character didn't bend to my whim just because I was the PC.  She was a real, believable person and I was so blown away by that reality that, rather than resetting the game after that fateful conversation, I let the relationship lie in its broken, once-happy pieces. 

 

Let's have that again, shall we?

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

My male Cousland got married... I haven't taken his save data through DAI yet though, so I don't know how that turns out...

[Han Shot First]

Bioware are against their main female character having children too. 

 

To be fair, the main character getting pregnant should get in the way of saving the world.  With Mass Effect it would have also been potentially futile. I can't imagine many people would be wanting to have children at a time when genocidal machines were in the process of wiping out humanity.

 

I'm not sure a baby really fits in to any of Bioware's stories. Or at least not the ones they've told thus far.

[Monster A-Go Go]

I'm not sure a baby really fits in to any of Bioware's stories. Or at least not the ones they've told thus far.

 

Except for the Warden's Old God / Archdemon baby with Morrigan...

[straykat]

Except for the Warden's Old God / Archdemon baby with Morrigan...

 

Does that even fit at this point?

 

Usually those witch's baby stories are much more dramatic. See Arthur/Mordred. Or CGI Beowulf.

[Monster A-Go Go]

Well, the kid is still a kid.  A few games down the line, and he could be much more spectacular. 

 

If nothing else, he's a living phylactery for an ancient soul. Even if he's not a hard-writ part of the canon, he still exists in many people's playthroughs and is the direct consequence of a male Warden's actions. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, the kid is still a kid.  A few games down the line, and he could be much more spectacular. 

 

If nothing else, he's a living phylactery for an ancient soul. Even if he's not a hard-writ part of the canon, he still exists in many people's playthroughs and is the direct consequence of a male Warden's actions. 

Since Kieran is the result of an optional choice, I doubt he will ever get a substantial role. Especially now that Urthemial was removed from him.

[Monster A-Go Go]

Since Kieren is the result of an optional choice, I doubt he will ever get a substantial role. Especially now that Urthemial was removed from him.

 

DLC spoilers?  I haven't played the additional content and don't remember that from the core story.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

DLC spoilers?  I haven't played the additional content and don't remember that from the core story.

No, it was in the main game of Inquisition. 

[aoibhealfae]

To be fair, the main character getting pregnant should get in the way of saving the world.  With Mass Effect it would have also been potentially futile. I can't imagine many people would be wanting to have children at a time when genocidal machines were in the process of wiping out humanity.

 

I'm not sure a baby really fits in to any of Bioware's stories. Or at least not the ones they've told thus far.

Not necessarily that they have to be pregnant in the game. I feel sad when I found out Queen Warden and King Alistair still didn't have an heir after a decade together and the apparent heir of the Ferelden throne is still the demon baby..... royalties need to procreate

 

I kinda headcanon that FemShep was already several months pregnant with Kaidan's baby during her demise in ME2. Kinda made sense how the Illusive Man knew exactly the true nature of their relationship without the necessity of Shepard telling anyone and his execution order "Dispose of him". And then the way she was evasive in ME3 when Kaidan talk about "the children and the family", the nightmares that always happen before and after her interactions with Kaidan and her reaction in the dream when she saw herself hugging the nightmare boy like a mother comforting her child. Of course, MY headcanon... I'm sucker for drama.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I kinda headcanon that FemShep was already several months pregnant with Kaidan's baby during her demise in ME2. Kinda made sense how the Illusive Man knew exactly the true nature of their relationship without the necessity of Shepard telling anyone and his execution order "Dispose of him". And then the way she was evasive in ME3 when Kaidan talk about "the children and the family", the nightmares that always happen before and after her interactions with Kaidan and her reaction in the dream when she saw herself hugging the nightmare boy like a mother comforting her child. Of course, MY headcanon... I'm sucker for drama.

Her demise happens only a month after the end of Mass Effect 1, so it would have to be very early pregnancy. Other than that, that's a neat headcanon. 

[Uhh.. Jonah]

the whole bang-before-final-mission mechanic should be played with. We can all agree that that moment is the climax of the relationship, no? Well having romantic sex before a deadly mission should be the occasion for a character who would do such a thing, and maybe the representation of such a climax can be executed differently for a different character. For example, What if the beginning of another character's relationship is just sex, and the whole relationship is filled with obvious physical attraction and impressiveness, and the climax can be them realizing there is much more? Or maybe there's nothing more than that? What if the climax for another character is them telling a very personal story about their life, or bringing the PC to a very personal place, and maybe the sex came before that instance or maybe not even at all?

[Monster A-Go Go]

Ah, I remember now.  I guess I really need to replay that game.

 

Nevertheless, that's probably as involved a parenthood as we're going to get for the foreseeable future.  There aren't that many Bioware games where a child makes sense.  It could have worked in Mass Effect given the span of the trilogy, but really...a child wouldn't have been very interesting.  Shepard has to fight Reapers for there to be a game, meaning the child becomes a football to be passed off to someone else.  Perhaps it could be the child the Catalyst embodies, but still, that would be no more purposeful than Kieran if another child just stepped into the role for a childless Shepard.

 

The only game I can think of where it might have worked is Dragon Age II.  The long time span would have allowed a child to be conceived, born, and reach an interesting age before the culmination of events.  However, I don't see how a child would have affected the narrative of the game or served a purpose greater than the OGB.

 

Now and interesting take on the idea would be a PC who already has a child - either their own, as a godchild, or a Joel/Ellie dynamic.  Over the course of the game, the child could either become more involved in the plot and possibly grow into someone who could fight in the field, or could be coddled and protected by a doting father/mother figure.  Then, in a following game, the child takes the reins, shaped in attitude by the actions of the previous protagonist.  That would be meaningful, but I don't see it coming.

[aoibhealfae]

Her demise happens only a month after the end of Mass Effect 1, so it would have to be very early pregnancy. Other than that, that's a neat headcanon. 

 

There's no clear timeline in between ME1 and ME2, even the last Council scene in ME1 should happen more than weeks after the Presidium attack since the Presidium look clean and pretty. Shepard was still alive in Mass Effect Ascension. Even in Genesis 2, it mentions that Normandy was attacked "several months" after the Battle of Citadel. Its really up to everyone interpretation really.

 

You can still perform postmortem hCG tests and DNA tests for paternity even in early pregnancy... naturally, The Illusive Man would know how to use this against Shepard. And made sense for me why the nightmare child choose to haunt Shepard in her dreams, why she was always trying to reach him and fail. And why Harbinger would use his image to manipulate her when she is close to death... If you have the chance, would you kill your unborn child again or let him live?  Again, an interpretation of my Shepard's personal narrative, not necessarily everyone's cup of tea.

[Mdizzletr0n]

There won't be pregnancy because children don't exist in the ME universe, except for one. Yes, that bastard. Literally and figuratively.

[Monster A-Go Go]

There won't be pregnancy because children don't exist in the ME universe, except for one. Yes, that bastard. Literally and figuratively.

 

That's not a small child; that's a space station!

 

Well...it's the AI for a space station.

 

Look...don't overthink this.  Just nod and laugh.  To do otherwise leads to the humorless Beige Side of the Force.

[ArcadiaGrey]

You know, one of the things that I think DAI really got right were the romances.  It wasn't a cookie-cutter three-conversations-and-get-laid kind of thing.  You had to work for it, and once you had it, you had to work to keep it.  I got to date Sera throughout most of the game, enjoying the other companions' comments about our relationship and feeling that bond between us on the battlefield.  We discussed difficult issues as a couple.  We worked at our relationship.  And when the time came that she called me on hewing more to my elven beliefs than to the Maker, she declared it too much and dumped me!

 

Seriously, in a world where I'm the all-powerful Inquisitor, a great uniter, an expert strategist, a charismatic tour-de-force - in a world where I am basically a Shepard-like god figure, I got my heart broken in two by a genuine difference of opinion with someone I had spent half the game loving.  And it was final.  There was no mending that rift.  No forcing her to see my way.  We had just found the thing that prevented us from working, and that made us break.

 

I would love for that depth and reality to come through into MEA's relationships.  Let us enjoy the benefits of having a significant other throughout the majority of the game.  Let us worry about them in battle and let our dalliances be the target of other companions' jokes.  But don't make them love zombies unwilling to call us on our bulls**t.  Give them complexity and needs and triggers that our character has to satisfy, and let us leave them if they don't fulfill the same in us. 

 

My romance with Sera was unlike anything I've experienced in a video game.  For once, a character didn't bend to my whim just because I was the PC.  She was a real, believable person and I was so blown away by that reality that, rather than resetting the game after that fateful conversation, I let the relationship lie in its broken, once-happy pieces. 

 

Let's have that again, shall we?

 

You didn't reload?  I'd have been pressing the F9 button like a demon!  

 

Well played, well played.  

 

Sera is rapidly moving up my list of to-do romances.  From 'no I don't think so' to 'well, maybe' to now being,  'okay I have to woo that chick'. 

[Monster A-Go Go]

You didn't reload?  I'd have been pressing the F9 button like a demon!  

 

Well played, well played.  

 

Sera is rapidly moving up my list of to-do romances.  From 'no I don't think so' to 'well, maybe' to now being,  'okay I have to woo that chick'. 

 

My first playthroughs are always sacrosanct.  I make the decisions I would personally make and don't metagame anything.

 

Next time I romance her, you can be sure she's going to be mine until the bleedin' apple fritter end.

 

EDIT:  And she's well worth the woo.  If for nothing more than the quest you have to undergo to figure out the perfect gift to pledge your love.  I still have tears of laughter in my eyes from talking to Vivienne about that one.

[Felya87]

Bioware are against their main female character having children too. oh wait, unless they're space elves who reproduce asexually

 

Yeah. And many times there is some complication that have to kill even the headcanon about ever have the chance to be a mother in the future post game.   Warden female must be completely barren, no discussion, while the male can have the chance to procreate, even if is slimmer than normal.

Female Shepard (I can't remember if stated as canon) but can't have children thanks to Lazarus, and BioWare killed even the chance of adoption with their disgusting ending.

Inquisitor I don't know because I have still to finish many romances in Trespasser, but I'm basically sure the Mark must interfere somehow with the chance of having a family.

Hawke nothing, but I doubt she would have a family, since Anders and Fenris are not exactly in a good situation to start one, it would not fit their characters.

 

I espect having the chance to talk about something like family and a future with only certain characters - I can't see Isabela wanting children. She would prefer travel with her ship and lover around the world. Or with Fenris. He have too many issues to have the patience or the desire to build such a domestic future (basically, DA2 had the right mechanics with the years of time skip to have the protagonist go on with their lives and if they wished build something, but not the right characters to do so) - and I would hate having a child mid game (it's irresponsible and stupid). But having some chance to have the protagonist and LI talk abouth what would they do in the future, when whatever danger is ended, as a completely optional dialogue, coupled with the chance of a happish ending (happy for me is protagonist and LI alive) or at least non have the game say "nope, you can never ever have a family!" (I already have RL taking away this choice from me, thank you very much!) would be enought.

[ArcadiaGrey]

My first playthroughs are always sacrosanct.  I make the decisions I would personally make and don't metagame anything.

 

Next time I romance her, you can be sure she's going to be mine until the bleedin' apple fritter end.

 

EDIT:  And she's well worth the woo.  If for nothing more than the quest you have to undergo to figure out the perfect gift to pledge your love.  I still have tears of laughter in my eyes from talking to Vivienne about that one.

 

I wish I had done that, but I'm a control freak with planned out worlds so.... 

Although my first ever run of DA:O and DA2 I played as myself, and it's the only world I wouldn't bother taking into DA:I.  My made up characters are more interesting than me I guess. 

 

Good to know that Sera is worth the woo, I'm looking forward to it.  She's gotta get in the queue though, there's a long wait for my Inquisitors affections. 

[coldsteelblue]

To me the relationships in Bioware games have been all over the place, some have been handled better than others, to name just a few:

 

DA:O Leliana this relationship can end if you take her to the Urn of Sacred Ashed & then dump dragon's blood into it - for obvious reasons, but if you leave her at camp & your persuade skill is high enough you can lie to her face about what you've done...never did follow that through to inquisition.

 

DA:I Sera, been mentioned several times on this thread, not going to say more

      

Iron Bull, worth even just once to romance him & sacrifice the Chargers, you'll need to wait until your playing Trespasser to see the fruit of that...it actually had me applauding (youtube if you've not got the time to dedicate to that)

 

sod mentioning them all, the majority of relationships in Inquisition have more character work & drama in them.

 

In ME:A I'd like to see the chance for things like this to occur, to add more than just talk, talk, talk f*ck & definitely some sort of approval system as it just bothered me that Shep could do whatever and still have the loyalty of the crew.

 

Just my opinion

[Gothfather]

Sex as reward should be removed for romances. It is childish and smacks of how Teens view sex, not adults.

 

They should add a mechanic that you get court-martialed  if you "bang" a subordinate. It is time Bioware stopped having the protagonist frak the "help." There are countless people you can romance that are NOT crew members or squad mates. There reasons for non fraternization laws.

[aoibhealfae]

lol, kinda reminds me of this cute letter Malavai send to my Wrath.

 

which is less creepier than the vibe I get from Doc.