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Anders is the only companion who flirts with Hawke, and only with the male Hawke. Of course it's weird. Especially so since:
A. As mentioned above, turning him down hurts his feelings. Anders was my favorite Awakening companion, so I didn't like that.
B. In Awakening, he seems to have a pronounced preference for girls. Is male Hawke that sexy?

 

The biggest thing that makes the Anders stuff weird is that his flirting starts pretty much immediately after the death of his ex boyfriend, right after he informs you that they were lovers.Then you can either accept his advances or turn him down incredibly harshly, making your Hawke look like a bigot.


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I don't necessarily mean the type of person/alien who's available, more how it works in game.

 

I know, I know, many people don't care for the romances.  I, however, am a hopeless fluffy marshmallow when it comes to that kind of stuff and really enjoy them.  Not only that but I find a different romance per playthrough helps me know who my Shep is, and gives me fresh content to experience.

 

Doesn't mean I don't have any criticisms of how they've worked in the original trilogy though. 

 

This is what I'd like....

 

1 - Seeing how Shep made some pretty huge decisions like deciding the fate of an entire species, I'd like one or two love interests to have a very bad reaction to some of the decisions you may make.  For example, say you could romance a Krogan (that'd be interesting :blink: ) but you decided not to cure the genophage.  I'd like it to be a point of no return and they dump you there and then.  Actual consequences for some of the very polarising choices in the game.  Not all the time, not for every romance, but only when truly applicable so that it isn't overused.

 

2 - Sex.  Why oh why can you only sleep with your LI at the END of ME1 and 2??

 

 'Oh look honey, we're probs gonna die, so let's wait till the night before.  Hopefully it won't be weird, or awkward, or 'how the heck do you have sex with a turian' sex, and will go really well first time round.  It better, apparently it's all we've got.'

 

Nope.  Hate that.  Let me take it at my pace please and trigger the scenes when I want to.  I mean, wouldn't Tali get sick?  Shouldn't you get giggedy giggedy a while before the SM to make sure she's healthy enough to fight?  Shouldn't Garrus and femShep "practice" with Mordin's instructional vids a few times?   

 

3 - More cutscenes.  I just romanced Iron Bull in my first DA:I run and was really happy with the amount of cutscenes and moments he and my IQ had together.  They triggered all the way through the majority of the game so were well paced, and ended with a great scene on the balcony.  I'd ask for that amount of dedicated content for every romance, I loved it.

 

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Completely agree with you on this point! DAI was very well done with the pacing of romance cutscenes for the characters! Honestly, (call me a prev if you must lmao :D ) but I hope for some romance scenes like in Witcher 3. The scenes in Witcher 3 are intense, sexy but at the same time done in a very classy way. I found myself playing ME, ME2, and ME3 and thinking I wish I could get a cutscene with my LI here or thinking of DAO and wishing for the option to kiss the LI via dialog options (Especially in ME3 when Shep was feeling sad and overwhelmed.. Shep needed some lovin' lol). I'm hoping after DAI the romance options and cutscenes only get better and keep moving in the direction they are now heading. Also, for those that dislike the romance cutscenes you can choose to not romance anyone or simply skip the cutscenes so please don't deflate us marshmallows that enjoy the mushy love stuff lol :wub:


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You know, it occurred to me that at least when it comes to Mass Effect, you are always the one pursuing an LI.  Why not switch it up?

 

Maybe I want to be chased. Maybe I want to be super tsundere and have my LI break through the cold outer shell. Maybe I want to tease them along all game only to tear their heart out in the end.  Maybe I want to be the broken bird that needs fixing.

 

I think it could be super fun.  Of course there should be an easy way to politely (or not so politely) say no early on.

 

That would be an interesting romance section lol Protag could have 2-3 romance options pining for their attention... to tease or commit.. that would be the question lol :lol:



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Completely agree with you on this point! DAI was very well done with the pacing of romance cutscenes for the characters! Honestly, (call me a prev if you must lmao :D ) but I hope for some romance scenes like in Witcher 3. The scenes in Witcher 3 are intense, sexy but at the same time done in a very classy way. I found myself playing ME, ME2, and ME3 and thinking I wish I could get a cutscene with my LI here or thinking of DAO and wishing for the option to kiss the LI via dialog options (Especially in ME3 when Shep was feeling sad and overwhelmed.. Shep needed some lovin' lol). I'm hoping after DAI the romance options and cutscenes only get better and keep moving in the direction they are now heading. Also, for those that dislike the romance cutscenes you can choose to not romance anyone or simply skip the cutscenes so please don't deflate us marshmallows that enjoy the mushy love stuff lol :wub:

 

Like the Witcher?  Haven't played it but I'm guessing you mean more raunchy.  There is that boob shot in Bull's romance, I was very *ahem* impressed with my dwarf's assets.  Not that I took a screenshot, I absolutely did not do that.  Honest.  :lol:

 

I'm not sure if intense sexy scenes would fit Bioware's style tho.   I was super disappointed by The Blooming Rose in DA2.  Fade to black?  No awkward pixelated sexy moves?   Pffftttt.

 

Seeing how the romance sections represent a very small amount of screen time compared with the game as a whole, it'd be super mean to deny us marshmallows our romances.  I love them.   :D

 

At the very least they're fresh content for a new playthrough, you could literally be playing ME2 for the sixth time and get whole new scenes by picking a new LI.  Not many scenes admittedly, but they'd be new.


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I'm not sure if intense sexy scenes would fit Bioware's style tho.   I was super disappointed by The Blooming Rose in DA2.  Fade to black?  No awkward pixelated sexy moves?   Pffftttt.
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Grr fade to black. Miranda's me3 fade to black and being dumped outside abruptly left super disappointed and anti fade to blacks.
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Grr fade to black. Miranda's me3 fade to black and being dumped outside abruptly left super disappointed and anti fade to blacks.

 

I haven't seen that yet.  Most of the time I'm good with fade to black, better than being overly sexy which let's face it, is usually weird in video games.  But you can create great tension with good writing, and for some characters that's appropriate.

 

I personally wouldn't want Witcher level sex scenes.  It'd be weird to me in a Mass Effect game and might cheapen the series.  :unsure:

 

Although seeing how they'd create alien anatomy might be hilarious.  :lol:



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Also, for those that dislike the romance cutscenes you can choose to not romance anyone or simply skip the cutscenes so please don't deflate us marshmallows that enjoy the mushy love stuff lol :wub:

Except in DAI there were romances where you couldn't skip the scenes because dialogue was involved. 
And how is "Then you get nobody" a good solution? Why do you deserve what you want and those who don't want what you want deserve nothing? 


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I would definitely like to be the one flirted with on occasion. Tired of being the one to initiate it all the time. And then - for FemShep anyway - it can come off as rather...uh..idk...Cougar-y. Just "Sexual Tiger" kind of thing. I don't want that anymore.

 

Or, better yet - although I don't think it would happen - I'd like a dialogue choice as to how I want to approach, or respond to, a possible romance. Maybe a PC is Cougar, and that's how she rolls; but then I'd like a dialogue choice that is more tender; and one more that may be interested, but is still reticent about it all.

 

I always prefer the LI's to be on my crew. I just love going out to adventure and battle with my LI. Experiencing all the new wonders together. I like that.

 

And really we don't know what our position in the PathFinders will be. Our crew may not necessarily be subordinates this time, but rather peers. Who knows, our PC may have just answered a help wanted ad, and found themselves in something way over their heads...but no turning back now.

 

I would also like about 4 player sexual LI's.


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Heh... The FemShep - Jacob flirts are always good for a laugh.  Actually they're not supposed to be flirts, but the way they're acted... *predatory voice* "I'm interested in just talking for a bit."


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I'd like to see less mechanics. What I mean is that I want the relationship building aspect of this game (including non-romance) to be more organic and less "if you do this mission for me, the I will like you/sleep with you".  Relationships are more complex than that.  How characters feel about you should be affected by your choices, your tone (e.g. sarcastic), how much time you spend with them, etc and the strength of the relationship and how the NPC acts towards you should be on a spectrum.

 

E.g. Conversations delving into personal aspects of an NPCs life or history should be locked away until they feel comfortable around you.  That comfort level (don't think of a "comfort meter") should be based on how many times you take them with you, how often you go out of your way to chat them up, your generally tone when you speak to them, "loyalty missions", etc.  Maybe a kind word at an opportune moment would unlock a conversation that would have normally been locked away because you've been a general jerk to them until now.  

 

It shouldn't be too predictable.  You should have to use a little intuition to "solve the puzzle".  Kinda like in life.

 

 

I like these ideas.

 

And I'd like this approach for both romances and friendships.



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Like the Witcher?  Haven't played it but I'm guessing you mean more raunchy.  There is that boob shot in Bull's romance, I was very *ahem* impressed with my dwarf's assets.  Not that I took a screenshot, I absolutely did not do that.  Honest.  :lol:

 

I'm not sure if intense sexy scenes would fit Bioware's style tho.   I was super disappointed by The Blooming Rose in DA2.  Fade to black?  No awkward pixelated sexy moves?   Pffftttt.

 

Seeing how the romance sections represent a very small amount of screen time compared with the game as a whole, it'd be super mean to deny us marshmallows our romances.  I love them.   :D

 

At the very least they're fresh content for a new playthrough, you could literally be playing ME2 for the sixth time and get whole new scenes by picking a new LI.  Not many scenes admittedly, but they'd be new.

 Witcher 3 is definitely.. ahem.. more shall we say revealing :whistle: lol but in my opinion it wasn't necessarily raunchy.. I believe you can look up the scenes on YouTube if you're interested in checking them out lol I love the love story aspect as well, to me it makes Bioware unique and adds that little something extra for us mallows lol :P



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Except in DAI there were romances where you couldn't skip the scenes because dialogue was involved. 
And how is "Then you get nobody" a good solution? Why do you deserve what you want and those who don't want what you want deserve nothing? 

 

 

Well the M rated ERSB notification of Nudity would be the first clue that it will most likely show a nipple, boob, or some suggestion towards sex.. and if that offends you than you should know that romancing a character will most likely lead to that "offensive" material.. In DAI the prude Solas is always an option as he tends to be more PG for those that are easily offended.. but honestly if small things such as a nipple, boob, or the human nature of sex offends you, then you may want to stick with playing E rated games.. just sayin'.. ^_^



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Grr fade to black. Miranda's me3 fade to black and being dumped outside abruptly left super disappointed and anti fade to blacks.


irk....

Budget must have been really strict for them to get into that part and suddenly...the scene ends and she disappears without a single word.

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Heh... The FemShep - Jacob flirts are always good for a laugh.  Actually they're not supposed to be flirts, but the way they're acted... *predatory voice* "I'm interested in just talking for a bit."

 

Not only the voice acting, but the animation seemed to be seductive there. It was awkward for sure, especially when you were with someone else already and had no interest in Jacob.


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Well the M rated ERSB notification of Nudity would be the first clue that it will most likely show a nipple, boob, or some suggestion towards sex.. and if that offends you than you should know that romancing a character will most likely lead to that "offensive" material.. In DAI the prude Solas is always an option as he tends to be more PG for those that are easily offended.. but honestly if small things such as a nipple, boob, or the human nature of sex offends you, then you may want to stick with playing E rated games.. just sayin'.. ^_^

Why are you being a jerk about it? 

And since you brought up Solas, here's a compromise: You can have your mandatory unskippable sex scenes, if there are romances where sex is not a part of the romance like Josephine or Solas in DAI. Fair is fair, right?


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Usually I'm more interested what happens to everyone in a whole. But on that specific topic, as many have said before I would want more dynamic in terms of dialog options and general interactions. Meaning that it's not just some cut scenes set in stone when the protagonist gets all flirty with the LI. (Or couple like if it's already established) That goes for the actions as well it's very rare that the protagonist or the LI shows any kind of affection, it's usually just the normal dialog and at some key scenes they say something but often very very minimal. For example if Liara was the LI and the Shepherd and her gotten close before Thessia then Shepherd should have treated her differently, but it's the same thing as if the two were just friends, just seems weird.

This also extends to the way the two are in missions, the love interest should be a little more worried if **** hits the fan and vice versa. In short dialog and interactions should be different and more intimate between protagonist and LI on a regular basis. (Might be little things like being in the cabin or whatever more often or another greeting when all the dialog options are exhausted for this session) 

 

I get the whole the night before the final push thing, and in Liara's case in ME1 that kinda made some sense (although bit shacky still) but Ashley or Kaiden? I don't think so. Which is also the last point which also many already pointed out, give them some activities to do, could be incredibly simple things drinks, a game of some sorts depending on what you choose and how much you actually have to do, the LI could reveal some personal things just to make it seem more real. Not things which affect performance or anything like that, but something trivial which would otherwise not be revealed. 

 

Now I know some of those things are work intensive and satisfy only a narrow audience (in mass effects case might not be so narrow but still). Recording extra dialog for missions, briefings or many mid game conversations for each LI is probably a lot of work and only adds so much more to the immense voice recordings mass effect already has. Also takes time to set up animations for each love interest so they interact differently so I know that's much to ask. 

But some of the things should be easy to implement with little effort. Like different generic greetings from the LI, just to remind you. Or those tiny dating bits. Or different interactions and dialog for the main plot points (like when the LI feels shitty). Those things go a long way to make it seem a lot more real and more immersive. (The extended cut in ME3 gave a special goodbye for the love interest, that's needed more frequently) 

 

But for gods sake if the devs are gonna do all that by shaving off the PC optimization and it runs like crap then I'm not happy, and I'm not sure that would be a good trade. Although for some that would be debatable. 

 

As for LI species, it's sort of difficult if you're gonna make it more immersive then you have issues with the size of the dating pool. I know the devs are keen on giving everybody a slice of the pie but that means so much needs to be available. 2 male one gay one straight, 2 female one gay one straight, and if I know anything about the mass effect community then it's one male female for each species and that racks up quite a lot of extra dialog and many many characters which is a problem and if you apply the gay options for every Alien species then it's even worse, it could be shaved off by making everyone bisexual but that seems unreasonable. 

 

My most important wish is that you don't cut out the Asari LI, I know many don't think they're a priority (and I don't know why) but I quite like them (if people just didn't like Liara they could just make one more badass or rough like the cops on illium) and would suck to loose that just because all are into the Quarian hips. 

 

But in the end it doesn't even really matter since I have little faith that one of devs actually reads this and even less that they take it seriously. But oh well one can dream.


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Why are you being a jerk about it? 

And since you brought up Solas, here's a compromise: You can have your mandatory unskippable sex scenes, if there are romances where sex is not a part of the romance like Josephine or Solas in DAI. Fair is fair, right?

 

I am not being a jerk about this.. I am being honest.. The ratings and warnings are there for a reason.. If certain things offend you, the ERSB rating is there to say "hey, this may offend you!! Buyer beware!!" I have no problem with the Solas or Josephine romance options. They are completely fine.. All I am stating is my opinion on the matter and that I wish people that are offended by the nudity should keep in mind that they were aware of the nudity when they bought the game and therefore shouldn't complain about it afterwards.. they had fair warning that Nudity Violence and Gore were all included in the game with the M rating and they made the conscious decision to proceed with their purchase.. With that in mind, it is unfair of the "offended" to ask Bioware to remove romance scenes completely due to a few being offended by the content that they were warned about.. But sure, keeping characters that are more, shall we say; cloistered, like Solas, Josephine, and Sabastian from DA2 Prince of Starkhaven DLC or even Tali from ME is completely fine by me as well for those to have a romance option and retain their character's virtue, but also bare in mind that those of us that do not mind and are not offended may approve of the direction Bioware is taking..


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I am not being a jerk about this.. I am being honest.. The ratings and warnings are there for a reason.. If certain things offend you, the ERSB rating is there to say "hey, this may offend you!! Buyer beware!!" I have no problem with the Solas or Josephine romance options. They are completely fine.. All I am stating is my opinion on the matter and that I wish people that are offended by the nudity should keep in mind that they were aware of the nudity when they bought the game and therefore shouldn't complain about it afterwards.. they had fair warning that Nudity Violence and Gore were all included in the game with the M rating and they made the conscious decision to proceed with their purchase.. With that in mind, it is unfair of the "offended" to ask Bioware to remove romance scenes completely due to a few being offended by the content that they were warned about.. But sure, keeping characters that are more, shall we say; cloistered, like Solas, Josephine, and Sabastian from DA2 Prince of Starkhaven DLC or even Tali from ME is completely fine by me as well for those to have a romance option and retain their character's virtue, but also bare in mind that those of us that do not mind and are not offended may approve of the direction Bioware is taking..

Well, you were being a jerk by calling such people prudes and saying they should stick to kid's games. But I'm glad you agree with what I said about there being some romances where sex is either optional, left ambiguous, or just not part of the romance. There are people whom either because of biology, upbringing, or other factors have relationships that way, so it would be nice for them to have options just like those whom are more sexual. As for nudity, I've said many times in these threads, while I would prefer they not have such scenes and instead use things like shadows and clever camera angles, I can deal with it as long as they aren't mandatory and unskippable, like some of the romances in DAI(Cassandra and The Iron Bull specifically) but instead can be skipped and/or have it so when you choose dialogue half the screen isn't covered with it.


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Well, you were being a jerk by calling such people prudes and saying they should stick to kid's games. But I'm glad you agree with what I said about there being some romances where sex is either optional, left ambiguous, or just not part of the romance. There are people whom either because of biology, upbringing, or other factors have relationships that way, so it would be nice for them to have options just like those whom are more sexual. As for nudity, I've said many times in these threads, while I would prefer they not have such scenes and instead use things like shadows and clever camera angles, I can deal with it as long as they aren't mandatory and unskippable, like some of the romances in DAI(Cassandra and The Iron Bull specifically) but instead can be skipped and/or have it so when you choose dialogue half the screen isn't covered with it.

 

I stated "Solas th Prude" referring to Solas.. Solas and I do not see eye to eye in DAI and he annoys me a bit lol :lol: It was a comment regarding a fictional charcter created by Bioware, not you or anyone else that may be offended by romance scenes... as to the reference of sticking to E rated games I am saying this for the simple fact that in E rated games Nudity is not a problem and no one gets offended.. I was in no way calling you a child.. but yes, I agree with having characters such as Solas (even if I don't particularly like Solas lol) in games but I also think that even if you are offended by the notion of nudity, you have to remember you bought the gaming willingly and knew that nudity was included in the content and it's unfair to attack those who enjoys the scenes and understood that nudity would be a factor by saying that Bioware should scrap romance scenes



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Yeah, I think having romances where the sexual aspect is optional is cool, and does not have to be different LI's in order to work. It could simply be that you're given the option of saying something like, "I care for you, but this just isn't a good time..." or something like that.

 

...and hopefully they would understand, and you will still be able to retain the affection of the romance.

 

Even though I enjoy the sexual aspects of the romances, there are times when I'm just not in the mood. For example, my first PT of ME3. I was romancing Kaidan, and it was the moments before the final assault and all that. I was stressing. It was just like Shep said, I kept going over the numbers wondering and hoping it would be enough. Then came time for the nookie. All I could think was, I can't even with this right now.

 

...but I did. I figured I better get my Shep some nookie before she gets nookied by BW. Last Call!

 

Eh.


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I like that in ME1, there's different romance situation with Kaidan in ME1; Paragon FemShep is a bit more cheesy, Neutral FemShep really like to tease and get him all hot and bothered, Renegade FemShep always flirts heavily and wanna bang him and boy does he likes it. With the right combo, there's different kind of ways you can play Shepard with him; shy and horny, string him along until he's hooked, seemingly uninterested harsh but die-hard romantic. They have verbal foreplay for weeks in-game... so, the sex at the end of the game didn't feel odd. Both of them mutinied, she's not really his boss anymore and there's not much point for him to continue standing outside her room with pent up sexual frustration, is it?

 

In ME2, Jacob think he's the greatest gift to womankind, Garrus came off uninterested, Thane straight up reminiscing about having sex with his long dead wife... while I don't mind women taking charge and being the first to make the first move but it didn't help when the subsequent conversation path is about this person single-handedly trying hard to make the other develop an emotional commitment by coming hard aggressively. The sex at the end of the game didn't even feel right, supposedly it was to destress you so you could focus on the mission but was it tasteful to do the deed while the rest of your crew dying in the center of the galaxy... 

 

In ME3, the moment you lock in any romances, you resume a sexual relationship with them... yes, especially with Kaidan. They had morning sex everyday without telling you about it. Feeling left out? yup. The endgame sex is just for show, really...


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I would definitely like to be the one flirted with on occasion. Tired of being the one to initiate it all the time. And then - for FemShep anyway - it can come off as rather...uh..idk...Cougar-y. Just "Sexual Tiger" kind of thing. I don't want that anymore.

 

Or, better yet - although I don't think it would happen - I'd like a dialogue choice as to how I want to approach, or respond to, a possible romance. Maybe a PC is Cougar, and that's how she rolls; but then I'd like a dialogue choice that is more tender; and one more that may be interested, but is still reticent about it all.

 

FemShep is so damn horny in ME2 it makes my toes curl.  I would love this as well, to be able to choose how to flirt.  I've had pure innocent Wardens, flirty experienced Inquisitors, and Sheps of both kinds.  Don't make me in to a hornbag if I don't wanna be.  I mean I will be, at some point,  :lol: but sometimes I want to be chased too (which I could totally do in DA:O with Alistair.  I've played it both ways, he chased my Cousland and it took agggeesss, and then my elf jumped his bones)



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I like that in ME1, there's different romance situation with Kaidan in ME1; Paragon FemShep is a bit more cheesy, Neutral FemShep really like to tease and get him all hot and bothered, Renegade FemShep always flirts heavily and wanna bang him and boy does he likes it. With the right combo, there's different kind of ways you can play Shepard with him; shy and horny, string him along until he's hooked, seemingly uninterested harsh but die-hard romantic. They have verbal foreplay for weeks in-game... so, the sex at the end of the game didn't feel odd. Both of them mutinied, she's not really his boss anymore and there's not much point for him to continue standing outside her room with pent up sexual frustration, is it?

 

I didn't know that, I've only experienced the romance once.  I'd love it if those kind of options were available again, but perhaps they were only available in ME1 because there were so few romances?  I'd guess when they doubled the LIs it started to get too complicated.



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The biggest thing that makes the Anders stuff weird is that his flirting starts pretty much immediately after the death of his ex boyfriend, right after he informs you that they were lovers.Then you can either accept his advances or turn him down incredibly harshly, making your Hawke look like a bigot.

Creepiest stuff ever.

 

"Hi! I just knifed my previous lover. I'd like to date you now."   I wouldn't worry about being harsh when turning him down at that point because it's basically self-defense. Frankly, I wouldn't have been surprised if Anders had had moments where he muttered things to himself like "But they only want the maps to the deep roads, mother!"



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Creepiest stuff ever.

 

"Hi! I just knifed my previous lover. I'd like to date you now."   I wouldn't worry about being harsh when turning him down at that point because it's basically self-defense. Frankly, I wouldn't have been surprised if Anders had had moments where he muttered things to himself like "But they only want the maps to the deep roads, mother!"

 

 

I recently replayed DA2 as a male hawke who romanced the F**k outa Anders and to me, it came off more as 'oh? your into men? I didn't know that. now lets talk about mages." it's slight more weird as a Fem Hawke cause a} you never know that Anders and Karl were together. and b} your first talk after that  you flirt, then after flirting back, Anders imitatively goes into " WE CAN'T BE TOGETHER!' talk.  even though Hawke was just saying, he looks hot. and wasn't planing marriage or a life together. 

 

in terms of ME A romance. I want a bit more time building up the romance with my LI. it's one of the things I loved about the Kaidan-Mance. logicly, it takes place over 3-4 years. and it wasn't just 2-3 firts and suddenly 'I WOVE YOU FOREVER!" { one of my anoyances in DAI }