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[Pasquale1234]

I don't think any scene can be said to be necessary. If someone genuinely takes that view, then they're wrong for the simple fact that scenes can't be necessary in that way. But at a general level, I think there's value in including both sex and nudity. Though for the former, I don't actually think there's an easy way to do it in an RPG.

Though I'd agree that there is value in including sex and nudity in many forms of media, I'm not sure it is a net positive value when it includes the PC in an RPG.

But then, I feel that way about a lot of cut-scenes when the character I thought I was playing clashes with what the designers decided to have the character say / do.

[Killroy]

A romance meter. When the meter is completely filled, your waifu is up for butt stuff.

[Seraphim24]

I'd like to propose the renewal of a romance mechanic we haven't seen since DA:O, and that is the opportunity to kiss ...  per the player's preferences - instead of once per game in a cutscene triggered "because it's time".

 

Right! As stated before sometimes people just kiss or this or that, and more frequently than at a pure "appointed time" or something, and not necessarily continuing towards sex, at that particular point per se.

 

The way sexuality is represented in lots of things is just lots of nothing than sex, there isn't really any exploration of the in between.

[Midnight Bliss]

 I don't think anyone - or rather, probably fewer people, and certainly very few people publicly - will argue in favour of badly done awkward sex scenes. 

Why do so many people on this forum give heaps of adulation to DAI's terrible sex scenes then?

[In Exile]

Why do so many people on this forum give heaps of adulation to DAI's terrible sex scenes then?

DAI didn't have sex scenes. It had post sex scenes.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Why do so many people on this forum give heaps of adulation to DAI's terrible sex scenes then?

Boobs.

[Midnight Bliss]

DAI didn't have sex scenes. It had post sex scenes.

Some also partially took place just prior to and during sexual "downtime", they just all faded to black before actual any sex act took place.

 

I doubt many people make that distinction anyway since I've only ever heard them called love or sex scenes, which is the same terminology used for similar sequences in all BW titles, soooo...

 

 

Boobs.

Sounds about right.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I've said it several times before, but I don't consider BioWare's "3 conversations and a sex scene" a romance. I also dislike that the LIs are always so passive and always wait for you to come to them.

 

If it was up to me, then each LI would have a type and that would give you bonus points. You could be a jerk to them and they'd still forgive you because you just too hot to hate. On the other hand... if you aren't a redhead, forget about the engineer, he'll just want to be friends. It's not something he'd ever tell anyone in the game, so it's trial and error for the players... but then I have a bit of a sadistic streak.

 

Seriously though, the main story needs to have space for a romance. Or for a relationship, if there is time (or if it happens across a new trilogy). I don't want angsty, stressed boning right before the final mission ... I want more communication and more content to the relationship, with sex happening often (if both are up for it). And please... no more strange pseudo science about coupling with aliens. As much as I like Tali, she got a lot of things very, very wrong.

[AlanC9]

urgh, I friggin hate the whole Alistair having to bang Morrigan thing. "Alistair, darling, I love you but I need you to make baby with that witch you hate or one of us will die. Oh, apparently I can't have a baby with you because of my new darkspawn taint and yeah, I know your mom is a Grey Warden when she conceive you and I don't know, the power-that-be suddenly decide I'm magically infertile."

Your PC wasn't supposed to like that situation. Still, beats the alternatives.

[Kaweebo]

I basically just want the same thing DAI did. The ME games were really kind of annoying with how the romance worked. Talk to a member of the opposite (or in ME3's case, the same) sex enough times, don't ****** them off, and you can date them. The relationships always felt forced to me, with only a few exceptions. Having some kind of approval system with consequences depending on what you say/do would hugely benefit the ME romance system I think and allow it to evolve. 

[Onewomanarmy]

I've said it several times before, but I don't consider BioWare's "3 conversations and a sex scene" a romance. I also dislike that the LIs are always so passive and always wait for you to come to them.

 

If it was up to me, then each LI would have a type and that would give you bonus points. You could be a jerk to them and they'd still forgive you because you just too hot to hate. On the other hand... if you aren't a redhead, forget about the engineer, he'll just want to be friends. It's not something he'd ever tell anyone in the game, so it's trial and error for the players... but then I have a bit of a sadistic streak.

 

Seriously though, the main story needs to have space for a romance. Or for a relationship, if there is time (or if it happens across a new trilogy). I don't want angsty, stressed boning right before the final mission ... I want more communication and more content to the relationship, with sex happening often (if both are up for it). And please... no more strange pseudo science about coupling with aliens. As much as I like Tali, she got a lot of things very, very wrong.

 

You summed it up pretty well for me here. This is what I want xD

 

I really want my LI to make that first move. I don't go around hitting on guys in real life either so it feels weird for me when I have a character who has to throw herself at them in games. Just for ONCE would I really like to see a game depict real life where it's the guy who makes the first move. Make advantages through out the game, be a little insisting, almost persuade her into dating, charm her!  

[McGuardian]

I would like to be able to make love to attack helicopters

[aoibhealfae]

Your PC wasn't supposed to like that situation. Still, beats the alternatives.

The idea that you have to walk up to your fiance and persuade him to have a baby with another person. See if you like doing that for real. Its not a real choice. You can say no but it always involve someone dying. If you let Warden die, you can't use the import for other expansion (Witch Hunt and Awakening), if you let Alistair die, you're missing his cameo in DA2.

I rather Morrigan magic up FemWarden's womb so she could have a baby (after all, she was the one who kill the Archdemon) and then pops up a year later and kidnap the baby. A stolen prince is so much more exciting than a bastard one.

[AlanC9]

I don't see your point. Like I said, your PC wasn't supposed to like being in the situation.

One of my DAI PCs had to personally kill her LI, so whining about the DR strikes me as a bit ridiculous.

[KaiserShep]

I've said it several times before, but I don't consider BioWare's "3 conversations and a sex scene" a romance. I also dislike that the LIs are always so passive and always wait for you to come to them.

 

If it was up to me, then each LI would have a type and that would give you bonus points. You could be a jerk to them and they'd still forgive you because you just too hot to hate. On the other hand... if you aren't a redhead, forget about the engineer, he'll just want to be friends. It's not something he'd ever tell anyone in the game, so it's trial and error for the players... but then I have a bit of a sadistic streak.

 

Seriously though, the main story needs to have space for a romance. Or for a relationship, if there is time (or if it happens across a new trilogy). I don't want angsty, stressed boning right before the final mission ... I want more communication and more content to the relationship, with sex happening often (if both are up for it). And please... no more strange pseudo science about coupling with aliens. As much as I like Tali, she got a lot of things very, very wrong.

 

 

I thought that the DA franchise has been going in the right direction in this respect, because while it does largely tie romance progression to that of the main plot, you have a bit more freedom in the pace and don't have to do the whole pre-endgame sex thing, and of course with Origins and Inquisition, you can repeatedly initiate some sort of intimate moment with the LI.

 

Dunno about that "type" mechanic. More than likely it would largely be hated by almost everyone. XD

 

As for Tali, I maintain that she should've been a totally platonic romance. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

I thought that the DA franchise has been going in the right direction in this respect, because while it does largely tie romance progression to that of the main plot, you have a bit more freedom in the pace and don't have to do the whole pre-endgame sex thing, and of course with Origins and Inquisition, you can repeatedly initiate some sort of intimate moment with the LI.

 

Dunno about that "type" mechanic. More than likely it would largely be hated by almost everyone. XD

 

As for Tali, I maintain that she should've been a totally platonic romance. 

 

The type mechanic wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I just like to think about the difference between games and real life.

 

I can understand why Tali felt the need to get physical, imagine being a horny teenager stuck in a suit for years... never having an outlet for it... and according to the Shadow Broker files, she installed a Nerve Stim Pro and used it quite a lot. An entire suit as sex toy. Fun.

But getting physical with a human? Like that? Stupid. The least they should have done is making Shep take a shower first. The rest was medical techno babble which made as much sense as her regular techno babble. None. I really like her but... I always get stuck on the weird design choices for Quarians.

 

Social people with face concealing masks? Huh? They couldn't have made those transparent? Those weird protusions of their helmets would get in the way all the time, especially in tight spaces like space ships. Almost as bad as the Volus version. It's also awesome that their masks have filters... but no air tanks. I'm stopping here, otherwise I'll write another long post about ME being stupid.

[In Exile]

The type mechanic wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I just like to think about the difference between games and real life.

 

I can understand why Tali felt the need to get physical, imagine being a horny teenager stuck in a suit for years... never having an outlet for it... and according to the Shadow Broker files, she installed a Nerve Stim Pro and used it quite a lot. An entire suit as sex toy. Fun.

But getting physical with a human? Like that? Stupid. The least they should have done is making Shep take a shower first. The rest was medical techno babble which made as much sense as her regular techno babble. None. I really like her but... I always get stuck on the weird design choices for Quarians.

 

Social people with face concealing masks? Huh? They couldn't have made those transparent? Those weird protusions of their helmets would get in the way all the time, especially in tight spaces like space ships. Almost as bad as the Volus version. It's also awesome that their masks have filters... but no air tanks. I'm stopping here, otherwise I'll write another long post about ME being stupid.

It's not just the technobabble. The whole Tali scene is total gibberish, because the writers don't understand immunology. In fact, the entire Quarian species is total gibberish because the writers don't understand immunology. They can't decide whether they're suffering from the equivalent of space HIV or have a serious autoimmune disorder, which are two diametrically opposed issues. 

 

So it's best to just not think about the Quarians, ever. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

It's not just the technobabble. The whole Tali scene is total gibberish, because the writers don't understand immunology. In fact, the entire Quarian species is total gibberish because the writers don't understand immunology. They can't decide whether they're suffering from the equivalent of space HIV or have a serious autoimmune disorder, which are two diametrically opposed issues. 

 

So it's best to just not think about the Quarians, ever. 

 

That's exactly what I was talking about. Sure Tali, take immune boosters so you don't get an allergic reaction...

[In Exile]

That's exactly what I was talking about. Sure Tali, take immune boosters so you don't get an allergic reaction...

 

And technically she was taking antibiotics too to boost her immune system, which is even more of a lolwut. If I recall correctly, but it's been a while. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

And technically she was taking antibiotics too to boost her immune system, which is even more of a lolwut. If I recall correctly, but it's been a while. 

 

And some herbal stuff, too. :>

[AlanC9]

Bio should probably look into the way the TNG-DS9 era Trek series used to handle this stuff. IIRC the writers would just put "[TECH]" in the script, and later on some professionals on staff would fill in the technobabble. So even if the technobabble was nonsense,at least it was consistent nonsense.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Bio should probably look into the way the TNG-DS9 era Trek series used to handle this stuff. IIRC the writers would just put "[TECH]" in the script, and later on some professionals on staff would fill in the technobabble. So even if the technobabble was nonsense,at least it was consistent nonsense.

 

Internal consistency is more or less all that's needed with science fiction. Make up your own rules, but stick to them.

[aoibhealfae]

I don't see your point. Like I said, your PC wasn't supposed to like being in the situation.

One of my DAI PCs had to personally kill her LI, so whining about the DR strikes me as a bit ridiculous.

 

I've killed romanced Anders surrounded by companions who don't give a damn anymore about his fate because he just blew up a religious institution filled with people. It was a tragedy. I am okay with that when it fit the narrative I wanted it to go.

 

Dark Ritual is the equivalent of a Synthesis-Control-Destroy ending. Its a non-choice choice that was given to you that you have to suck it up and be happy about it. But it is set in a world where civilization aren't advance enough to conjure magical IVF so you have to do the deed and yet soul transfer magic from a dead dragon to a newly fertilized egg cells in uterus is possible. Oh, and you can totally change a horrible person into a somewhat less horrible person with motherhood.

 

Since we're discussing about romance mechanics here, it is simply an example of an eff up romance mechanic with a definitive "do it or die" situation. If it was applied the same in Mass Effect trilogy, it would be something like you're dooming the entire Quarian race and your romance interest, Tali, if you choose Destroy ending where the Geth died along with the Quarians they connected in their suits. Heck, it is the exact romance mechanic applied to Joker and EDI's relationship; two endings where you can kill yourself and watch them live happily ever after or let Joker be forever alone.

[aoibhealfae]

It's not just the technobabble. The whole Tali scene is total gibberish, because the writers don't understand immunology. In fact, the entire Quarian species is total gibberish because the writers don't understand immunology. They can't decide whether they're suffering from the equivalent of space HIV or have a serious autoimmune disorder, which are two diametrically opposed issues. 

 

So it's best to just not think about the Quarians, ever. 

 

Since its xenobiology, its free game for all apparently. I know that they're already technologically advanced race by the time they create the geth and since they created an artificial natural preserve on their ship, why can't they cultivate Rannoch's insects and symbiotic ecosystem to supposedly help their bodies tolerant to various allergens. And why did they become allergic to everything including something that was of different chirality. How can their entire species even survive through evolution if they're prone to a severe form of broadspectrum autoimmune disease.

 

Since my aversion to playing BroShep meant I hardly romance her either way so I am spared watching her take off her mask and exosuit and exposing herself to potential risk of death just to have sex with him. But considering the constant demand of people wanting to see what she look under her mask, I can understand why they felt the need to include them in the first place.

 

Also Chakwas mentioned she did stock up on dextro-based antihistamines for her. So that part is correct, at least.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Since its xenobiology, its free game for all apparently. I know that they're already technologically advanced race by the time they create the geth and since they created an artificial natural preserve on their ship, why can't they cultivate Rannoch's insects and symbiotic ecosystem to supposedly help their bodies tolerant to various allergens. And why did they become allergic to everything including something that was of different chirality. How can their entire species even survive through evolution if they're prone to a severe form of broadspectrum autoimmune disease.

 

Since my aversion to playing BroShep meant I hardly romance her either way so I am spared watching her take off her mask and exosuit and exposing herself to potential risk of death just to have sex with him. But considering the constant demand of people wanting to see what she look under her mask, I can understand why they felt the need to include them in the first place.

 

Also Chakwas mentioned she did stock up on dextro-based antihistamines for her. So that part is correct, at least.

 

The biology of all the ME species didn't make sense. Not the Salarians, not the Krogan, not the Asari and most of all, not the Quarians. There was absolutely not reason for their immune system to change at all in the 300 years since they left their planet.

They used to be a council species before, they lived on the Citadel, various colonies and among aliens. They had aliens on Rannoch. How was that no problem with their biology? What changed later? Even ignoring the life ships, sterile air doesn't really exist if you have thousands of people on board.

 

Okay, I romanced Tali once, too... but I still think that cross species romances are unrealistic, even within a sci-fi universe. Especially if one partner can poison the other with their bodily fluids.