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[SnakeCode]

Aaaand of course we're now on to the topic of incest. Oh BSN...

[Battlebloodmage]

Again you keep mentioning Maxson like he'd have any reason to check the Sole's DNA particularly against Danse's. Unless you have proof of Maxson checking Sole's DNA I fail to see the relevance.

You can't prove that he can't either. He checked the synth DNA against all the BoS members, if there is a similarity then Danse' DNA would have shown up in SS's DNA file. He didn't have to check SS's DNA against Danse because Danse's DNA is the exact one as one of the synth, and that synth's DNA would have shown familiarity with SS. Not only that synth, but all the synths would have shown up that similarity to the SS. That can't be a coincidence. It seems more like you can't prove why such a similarity wouldn't have shown up if all the synths' DNA have that kind of tie with the SS. 

[Iakus]

Aaaand of course we're now on to the topic of incest. Oh BSN...

It's been a thing since DA2 and Bethany 

[Ryzaki]

You can't prove that he can't either. He checked the synth DNA against all the BoS members, if there is a similarity then Danse' DNA would have shown up in SS's DNA file. He didn't have to check SS's DNA against Danse because Danse's DNA is the exact one as one of the synth, and that synth's DNA would have shown familiarity with SS. Not only that synth, but all the synths would have shown up that similarity to the SS. That can't be a coincidence. It seems more like you can't prove why such a similarity wouldn't have shown up if all the synths' DNA have that kind of tie with the SS. 

 

First off I'd assume DNA technology is something that'd be restricted access (I.E. everyone isn't running around like that as for all synths having similarity to the PC) how many synths dna did you think the BOS had access too? They only synths they kill are gen 1 and 2 who are more robotic than human. The only access to a gen 3 synth they get is player restricted (and even during BH they just tell you to kill them) and Danse. So not sure what you're trying to say it can't be a coincidence for when the BOS simply didn't have access to gen 3 synths in any amount much less decent amounts for a decent amount of dna testing. So not even sure what the last line is supposed to mean.

 

Also a similarity in DNA simply means they could be related. Considering the PC was in a vault it's not really that strange that a family member survived and went on to have kids and so on and so on and Danse's is somewhat similar. (Not to mention the BOS doesn't actually take Sole's blood. The medical exam is just Sole being asked questions and that's the end of it.) Father saying the synth are based off his DNA is all the evidence I need rather than relying on Maxson to test Sole's blood that he never even got.

[Ryzaki]

Aaaand of course we're now on to the topic of incest. Oh BSN...

 

Would you rather we discussed if Asari were pleasured by penetrative sex?

[Battlebloodmage]

First off I'd assume DNA technology is something that'd be restricted access (I.E. everyone isn't running around like that as for all synths having similarity to the PC) how many synths dna did you think the BOS had access too? They only synths they kill are gen 1 and 2 who are more robotic than human. The only access to a gen 3 synth they get is player restricted and Danse. So not sure what you're trying to say it can't be a coincidence for when the BOS simply didn't have access to gen 3 synths in any amount. So not even sure what the last line is supposed to mean.

 

Also a similarity in DNA simply means they could be related. Considering the PC was in a vault it's not really that strange that a family member survived and went on to have kids and so on and so on and Danse's is somewhat similar. (Not to mention the BOS doesn't actually take the Sole's blood. The medical exam is just Sole being asked questions and that's the end of it.)

Enough to check the familiarity, they have a bunch of data from the Institute after you handed it to them from the network hack, so no, not just Danse, there are some other synths from the Institute and that where they compare the data to where Danse matched one of them, and where SS would have shown up as a connection with a bunch of them.

 

Similarity to a synth? Most of those DNA would have a direct similarity, not branching down somewhere along the line, and if the DNA is so different that it shows up as long distance relatives, then it's not really incest in the first place.

[Ryzaki]

Enough to check the familiarity, they have a bunch of data from the Institute after you handed it to them, so no, not just Danse and a bunch of other synths from the Institute and that where they compare the data to where Danse matched one of them, and where SS would have shown up as a connection with a bunch of them.

 

Similarity to a synth? Most of those DNA would have a direct similarity, not branching them somewhere along the line, and if the DNA is so different that it shows up as long distance relatives, then it's not really incest in the first place.

 

? The familiarity was them having Danse's blood and the terminal having the synths DNA. They didn't have synth dna that they tested themselves so what are you talking about? (And the Institute definitely wouldn't have had Sole's dna on file). There was a list in the file you hacked in the Institute of all the synths DNA that was in play. That's where Maxson was tipped off from cause he realized it matched Danse's (also the terminals flat out say there's a synth on the Prydwen that is too high risk to retrieve). They didn't have dead synths that they experimented on.

 

More likely there's slight variation yes. But like I said I'm taking father's word that they're based off his dna. Differences? yes but ultimately all family through science

[Battlebloodmage]

? The familiarity was them having Danse's blood and the terminal having teh synths DNA. They didn't have synth dna themselves so what are you talking about? (And the Institute definitely wouldn't have had Sole's dna on file). There was a list in the file you hacked in the Institute of all the synths DNA that was in play. That's where Maxson was tipped off from. They didn't have dead synths that they experimented on.

Yes, the terminal having the synths DNA, so they could check it easily and SS's connection would have shown up. They should have both SS and Danse's data, and SS would have shown up as a connection regardless if they are related.

[Ryzaki]

Yes, the terminal having the synths DNA, so they could check it easily and SS's connection would have shown up. They should have both SS and Danse's data, and SS would have shown up as a connection regardless if they are related.

 

They don't have Sole's DNA.

 

Unless you care to show me where they get it? The medical exam was just a weird verbal examination. They take the fact that you're from a vault as a clean bill of health.

 

And the PC is clearly shown getting shots in several other scenarios so it's not just a skip for convenience.

[ZipZap2000]

Aaaand of course we're now on to the topic of incest. Oh BSN...

And not just one kind of incest either, no.......

[Battlebloodmage]

They don't have Sole's DNA.

 

Unless you care to show me where they get it? The medical exam was just a weird verbal examination. They take the fact that you're from a vault as a clean bill of health.

Yeah, they are gonna show you every single medical testing and make meaningless animation just for that one scene. Do you want them to show you poop also? They have all the DNA samples from the members and the SS is the exception. That makes sense, I guess.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah, they are gonna show you every single medical testing and make meaningless animation just for that one scene. Do you want them to show you poop also? They have all the DNA samples from the members and the SS is the exception. That makes sense, I guess.

 

*yawn* again there's already an animation that shows Sole getting shot. You see this animation whenever you go to a doctor. It's a 3 second animation with a ftb. Tinker Tom does it if you take his disaster medicine. Cute mention of the bathroom though despite you know the fact that they're outhouses in the game. They don't only not show the animation of you getting shot but the medical examiner doesn't even mention you needing to give him blood?

 

Also the Sole was clearly an exception. Sole's allowed to bring synths and ghouls onboard. You think skipping the blood test (especially since that's done for health reasons most likely and the Sole is forced to admit to being a vault dweller which is an auto clean bill of health). But nah it's so difficult to give the doctor a needle instead of a pen and paper during the conversation. So hard.

[Battlebloodmage]

*yawn* again there's already an animation that shows Sole getting shot. You see this animation whenever you go to a doctor. It's a 3 second animation. Tinker Tom does it if you take his disaster medicine. Cute mention of the bathroom though despite you know the fact that they're outhouses in the game. They don't only not show the animation of you getting shot but the medical examiner doesn't even mention you needing to give him blood?

 

Also the Sole was clearly an exception. Sole's allowed to bring synths and ghouls onboard. You think skipping the blood test (especially since that's done for health reasons most likely and the Sole is forced to admit to being a vault dweller which is an auto clean bill of health).

Yeah, basically, it's just your assumption. Just my assumption against my assumption. They promote SS to the second in command without any of DNA or background check. Got it. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

The BoS has a sample of EVERY soldier on board of the Prydwen. I highly doubt they'd skip their newest Paladin/Sentinel just for the hell of it. They most likely keep the samples to identify remains if the tags are missing and a visual identification can't be made. 

 

Edit: Being allowed to bring "abominations" on board bothered me a lot and is probably just lazy writing. The way I play the game I never bring them on board and I wish they'd have put it in themselves.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah, basically, it's just your assumption. Just my assumption against my assumption. They promote SS to the second in command without any of DNA or background check. Got it. 

 

They definitely don't bother that much with a background check considering you could be working for the Railroad and that's never a problem.

 

But yes assumptions you're right. Regardless my main point was even with Danse and Curie having similar DNA it doesn't matter. Now if you want to disagree on the it not mattering bit (since we're clearly at the agree to disagree bit at them having similar dna to begin with bit) mind saying why?

[Ryzaki]

The BoS has a sample of EVERY soldier on board of the Prydwen. I highly doubt they'd skip their newest Paladin/Sentinel just for the hell of it. They most likely keep the samples to identify remains if the tags are missing and a visual identification can't be made. 

 

PC isn't a paladin to start with merely a knight. (Much less a sent). When you become a knight no blood test is ever mentioned or administered and most of the game is spent proving yourself and indeed Maxson brings up the blood test thing during blind betrayal like it's new to the PC (almost as if they didn't take one!).

 

Also you think the PC would be honored if he/she died when they were the knight rank? They were a vault dweller with no family and at that time hadn't even proven themselves to the BOS. I doubt they'd be bothered trying to identify the PC's remains until his/her rank was higher.

[Battlebloodmage]

They definitely don't bother that much with a background check considering you could be working for the Railroad and that's never a problem.

 

But yes assumptions you're right. Regardless my main point was even with Danse and Curie having similar DNA it doesn't matter. Now if you want to disagree on the it not mattering bit (since we're clearly at the agree to disagree bit at them having similar dna to begin with bit) mind saying why?

They have Danse with you the entire time. You don't think Danse would have mentioned that? It's either gameplay mechanic or they think you're working the con game like how Deacon think you're doing. I don't believe their DNA are the same, but if we go by your assumption that they have similar DNA, it still wouldn't matter because the family tie is not there, they never raise together growing up, in some cases, when adopted children growing up together, it's still considered incest, or even with stepparents. They have completely different background and look different. Nothing about it make it incest. Culturally, incest is wrong because of how society dictates it, cousins can marry in Japan, so what is wrong is depending on the moral code you have. If the couples are related but can't have children, it would still wrong if the society considers it wrong.

[SnakeCode]

Would you rather we discussed if Asari were pleasured by penetrative sex?

 

No weird Xil topics for the love of all that is good in this world. Please.

[SentinelMacDeath]

PC isn't a paladin to start with merely a knight. (Much less a sent). When you become a knight no blood test is ever mentioned or administered and most of the game is spent proving yourself and indeed Maxson brings up the blood test thing during blind betrayal like it's new to the PC (almost as if they didn't take one!).

 

Also you think the PC would be honored if he/she died when they were the knight rank? They were a vault dweller with no family and at that time hadn't even proven themselves to the BOS. I doubt they'd be bothered trying to identify the PC's remains until his/her rank was higher.

The BoS honors every fallen soldier regardless of rank, the PC does more for the BoS as a Knight than all other Knight-Captains on the Prydwen together in the short amount of time he's with them. There is a reason they keep promoting the PC. 

[Ryzaki]

They have Danse with you the entire time. You don't think Danse would have mentioned that? It's either gameplay mechanic or they think you're working the con game like how Deacon think you're doing. I don't believe their DNA are the same, but if we go by your assumption that they have similar DNA, it still wouldn't matter because the family tie is not there, they never raise together growing up, in some cases, when adopted children growing up together, it's still considered incest, or even with stepparents. They have completely different background and look different. Nothing about it make it incest. Culturally, incest is wrong because of how society dictates it, cousins can marry in Japan.

 

Again this is something that would've take three seconds. It's not something that's a big deal it's just a needle animation that's shown plenty of other times in the game. But between it not occuring and then Maxson bringing it up like it's news to Sole gives me plenty of reason to believe that no Sole didn't take said blood test. (Whether it was because you were busy in the field or because they couldn't be bothered is another issue). Also Danse isn't with you the entire time unless you choose to have him travel with you. Otherwise he's with you during 2 BOS quests.

 

Well there we go then. It's a non issue either way.

[Donk]

Would you rather we discussed if Asari were pleasured by penetrative sex?

*Snorts*

That post is famous.

[SentinelMacDeath]

this whole discussion wouldn't be necessary if Bethesda paid better attention to what they're doing. They should know that people pick apart every itty bitty thing. There are plenty of plot holes that still need to be filled.

[Ryzaki]

The BoS honors every fallen soldier regardless of rank, the PC does more for the BoS as a Knight than all other Knight-Captains on the Prydwen together in the short amount of time he's with them. There is a reason they keep promoting the PC. 

 

They keep promoting the PC because if Sole had done all that and not gotten a promotion it'd been odd. (Not to mention you get Danse's rank because there was a need for at least one of his rank Maxson flat out admits that). Also yeah Sole can choose to do more for the BOS as a Knight in the time they're with them yes that just makes Sole a useful tool. (And honestly that's how I felt Sole was treated. As something useful but expendable. It's an issue they share with the Institute). Least RR and MM made me feel appreciated.
 

[Battlebloodmage]

Again this is something that would've take three seconds. It's not something that's a big deal it's just a needle animation that's shown plenty of other times in the game. But between it not occuring and then Maxson bringing it up like it's news to Sole gives me plenty of reason to believe that no Sole didn't take said blood test. (Whether it was because you were busy in the field or because they couldn't be bothered is another issue). Also Danse isn't with you the entire time unless you choose to have him travel with you. Otherwise he's with you during 2 BOS quests.

 

Well there we go then. It's a non issue either way.

No, that's your assumption about how it goes. I don't see it as the SS seeing it as new, more like the reason why they're bringing it up. Funny how perception goes. Beth could have easily forgotten about it like how they never give Glory or the synth farmer a synth component. Yes, and if you decide to bring him to you, it would still create logic gap why the BoS doesn't know. They know if you use the RR to build the relay and about PAM and always know where the RR is located in both BoS and RR route, so they have intel on the RR, but just didn't do anything about it because they have other stuffs to worry about at the time. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

I feel plenty appreciated by the BoS, maybe it's because I like them a lot but the SoSu was absolutely not next in line when it came to promotion to Paladin based on rank alone. I did a lot for them and that's why they made me Paladin. Even after refusing one of Maxson's direct orders. And what else is a Soldier but a useful tool to the one in command? Like seriously? ...