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[aoibhealfae]

urghhh children and Bioware.... Morrigan's demon god child or people obsessing with impregnating Liara for her blue babies... as if she wasn't still technically a teenager 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

urghhh children and Bioware.... Morrigan's demon god child or people obsessing with impregnating Liara for her blue babies... as if she wasn't still technically a teenager 

Liara isn't still technically a teenager. She says she is barely more than a child, so she would be around the equivalent of early twenties. In ME2 we hear an Asari say, "Hey, I'm sixty years old and finally out of my parent's house." So sixty seems to be the age when their equivalency of being a teen stops. Which makes sense since Liara had attended university about 50 years prior so when she was in her sixties. And Samara says Morith ran away when she was forty and was 'quite young', so it sounds like Morinth was in her teenage equivalent years. 

[aoibhealfae]

Asari have a thousand year lifespan. Even if it took them less than a hundred years to mentally mature, Liara is still a Maiden and a long way from being a Matron. Shepard is in early 30s. I think the right term was 'barely legal'.

[Donk]

urghhh children and Bioware.... Morrigan's demon god child or people obsessing with impregnating Liara for her blue babies... as if she wasn't still technically a teenager

You only have to worry when star child becomes a romance option

[ZipZap2000]

Asari have a thousand year lifespan. Even if it took them less than a hundred years to mentally mature, Liara is still a Maiden and a long way from being a Matron. Shepard is in early 30s. I think the right term was 'barely legal'.

Didn't Samara spent her maiden years dancing the night away doing merc work and "mating" sounds like the 19-24 age bracket. At least when I was that young anyway.

[aoibhealfae]

Didn't Samara spent her maiden years dancing the night away doing merc work and "mating" sounds like the 19-24 age bracket. At least when I was that young anyway.

I don't think she have her babies until she reached her Matron years. Morinth was born in our 18th century and its likely all the two of her children were born somewhere around that time. But with Char and Ereba, I think Maiden are still within their puberty. Hormones and stuff.

[Remix-General Aetius]

This is real romance

Spoiler

 

God those look nasty. Undercooked and bland. RAW!!!!

 

[Laughing_Man]

urghhh children and Bioware.... Morrigan's demon god child or people obsessing with impregnating Liara for her blue babies... as if she wasn't still technically a teenager 

Asari have a thousand year lifespan. Even if it took them less than a hundred years to mentally mature, Liara is still a Maiden and a long way from being a Matron. Shepard is in early 30s. I think the right term was 'barely legal'.

 

Comparing the customs of an alien race with a different rate of maturation and average lifespan than humans, and judging them by western standards of acceptable sexual behavior?...

 

You don't see any problem with this logic?

[Shechinah]

If I remember correctly then the asari stages are also dependant upon personal development: An asari maiden may enter the matron stage of her life before expected because she has a desire to settle with a significant other and a family and an asari maiden may stay a maiden for far longer than expected because she has no desire in that regard.

[aoibhealfae]

Comparing the customs of an alien race with a different rate of maturation and average lifespan than humans, and judging them by western standards of acceptable sexual behavior?...

 

You don't see any problem with this logic?

 

When I think about functioning adults preying and desperately wanting to impregnate very young inexperienced girl..... ... ...... I kept remembering how I miss doing vivisection for animal studies.

 

And it wasn't a custom exactly, Matrons are the child-bearing age for the Asari. The only way for Liara to achieve her physiological maturity as a Matron while she was a Maiden was to mindmeld frequently with her partner which still could take very significant amount of years. Ironically, a human equivalent to this was to have sex with pre-teenage girls who are still in the cusp of puberty and in the process of sexual maturity which is around 15-17. And we're all aware that girls can get pregnant very very young. Now you see why I view this in disgust.

 

and the funny thing is I am actually a muslim woman and an easterner and I always criticize constantly about people's attitude on statutory rape and child marriages. So, what was so western about criticizing adults romanticizing themselves with this fantasy? 

[Remix-General Aetius]

............Andromeda REALLY needs to come out ASAP ^^^^

[ZipZap2000]

Comparing the customs of an alien race with a different rate of maturation and average lifespan than humans, and judging them by western standards of acceptable sexual behavior?...

You don't see any problem with this logic?

Its really all we have to go on at this point isn't it?

[Laughing_Man]

When I think about functioning adults preying and desperately wanting to impregnate very young inexperienced girl..... ... ...... I kept remembering how I miss doing vivisection for animal studies.

 

And it wasn't a custom exactly, Matrons are the child-bearing age for the Asari. The only way for Liara to achieve her physiological maturity as a Maidan was to mindmeld frequently with her partner. 

 

and the funny thing is I am actually a muslim woman and an easterner and I always criticize constantly about people's attitude on statutory rape and child marriages. So, what was so western about criticizing adults romanticizing themselves with this fantasy? 

 

You are making a lot of assumptions.

You are imagining Asari in a certain way, and then complaining about a few people and their relatively mild fetishes.

 

"Barely legal" is a distinctly western term that has no bearing on this issue.

Liara is not portrayed as a child, rather she is portrayed as a bookish nerdy and somewhat introverted young female.

Your frustrations have very little to do with the reality of the matter.

 

I don't care if you are a Muslim, a Scientologist, a follower of Aum Shinrikyo, or a believer in the church of Unitology. It's all the same pile of crap for me.

But I bet that as a declared muslim you would defend some of your religion's more... questionable beliefs, and their extreme attitude against infidels.

 

Stones and glass houses and all that.

 

Yes, they are different than humans in more ways than one, but that's okay.

A direct mathematical comparison is flawed to begin with when you compare alien age vs. human age, you simply don't have all the needed parameters and variables.

 

Its really all we have to go on at this point isn't it?

 

Sometimes you have to accept that there are differences, both cultural and biological. I mean, they are aliens.

[ZipZap2000]

You are making a lot of assumptions.
You are imagining Asari in a certain way, and then complaining about a few people and their relatively mild fetishes.

"Barely legal" is a distinctly western term that has no bearing on this issue.
Liara is not portrayed as a child, rather she is portrayed as a bookish nerdy and somewhat introverted young female.
Your frustrations have very little to do with the reality of the matter.

I don't care if you are a Muslim, a Scientologist, a follower of Aum Shinrikyo, or a believer in the church of Unitology. It's all the same pile of crap for me.
But I bet that as a declared muslim you would defend some of your religion's more... questionable beliefs, and their extreme attitude against infidels.

Stones and glass houses and all that.

Yes, they are different than humans in more ways than one, but that's okay.
A direct mathematical comparison is flawed to begin with when you compare alien age vs. human age, you simply don't have all the needed parameters and variables.


Sometimes you have to accept that there are differences, both cultural and biological. I mean, they are aliens.

Fair point but what I mean is that there isn't a whole lot to go on other than what we see.

[aoibhealfae]

I am deeply entertained that you feel the need to defend yourself and particularly bristling about this---> "people obsessing with impregnating Liara for her blue babies... as if she wasn't still technically a teenager " <-- more than this because clearly, you are personally invested in this and felt like I'm personally attacking you.... I can empathize that but it still doesn't change the fact that...

 

Liara is in the process of character maturity in the trilogy as a person and as a woman who is still in the process of growing. Drew Karpyshynn make her a romanceable version of Mission Vao from KOTOR1 but her narrative was being overwritten further by Mac Walters and Sylvia Feketekuty, by popular demand especially in ME3. I want to point out this... the first thing she told you in ME when you're romantically interested in her was that she never had any prior relationship experience or sexual experience and even the mindmelding was her first time doing it. Alien or not, you're still taking advantage of a young girl and the writing and the game allowed this. I have no problem with that since it is consensual on her part but what I do have a problem was this obsessive and almost fanatic need for Liara to be a blue baby factory... is that really what you see in the person that you claim to love ardently? Fictional or not.

 

There's about 1.6 billions who identified themselves as muslims. Its a belief system that is not a one size fits all and everyone are just conflicted about it and its universal. Why should I be ashamed of being a tiny singular being of the 23% of the population of the world? And you clearly have your own perception and assumptions on a stranger's religion without her help... so I am not baiting to that. And David Bowie just died, I'm not in the mood for this.

[ZipZap2000]

I am deeply entertained that you feel the need to defend yourself and particularly bristling about this---> "people obsessing with impregnating Liara for her blue babies... as if she wasn't still technically a teenager " <-- more than this because clearly, you are personally invested in this and felt like I'm personally attacking you.... I can empathize that but it still doesn't change the fact that...

Liara is in the process of character maturity in the trilogy as a person and as a woman who is still in the process of growing. Drew Karpyshynn make her a romanceable version of Mission Vao from KOTOR1 but her narrative was being overwritten further by Mac Walters and Sylvia Feketekuty, by popular demand especially in ME3. I want to point out this... the first thing she told you in ME when you're romantically interested in her was that she never had any prior relationship experience or sexual experience and even the mindmelding was her first time doing it. Alien or not, you're still taking advantage of a young girl and the writing and the game allowed this. I have no problem with that since it is consensual on her part but what I do have a problem was this obsessive and almost fanatic need for Liara to be a blue baby factory... is that really what you see in the person that you claim to love ardently? Fictional or not.



There's about 1.6 billions who identified themselves as muslims. Its a belief system that is not a one size fits all and everyone are just conflicted about it and its universal. Why should I be ashamed of being a tiny singular being of the 23% of the population of the world? And you clearly have your own perception and assumptions on a stranger's religion without her help... so I am not baiting to that.

Get back into character or join the conversation you accidentally started.


Pick one.

[Scofield]

If BioWare gave less comps an less romances they are basically shooting themselves in the foot, it be the only thing that sells there games, if u took both of these out a BioWare game whats left aint even mediocre it be just rubbish n boring

 

They really need to up there game in nigh every department if im truthful from animations to aesthetics an hopefully ME:A being the second game from them built on frostbite they have had more time an learned a few things from what the DA team achieved on the FB engine cause in DA:I it just felt like they built a world an then brought over all the old crap animations etc from previous games that worked with FB an went with it an tbh (for me) what u was left with was a no bad looking world with rather pathetic animations, even there CC(which was a huge improvement for BioWare) is still miles behind what other games are doing

 

Lately (again for me) there games have been proper suffering an i just cant pin point what from but its making me pick up on tons of different small things that are just amateurish for lack of a better word, maybe it just the fact i like aesthetics/cinematics an animations an well BioWares aint even close to good.

[Donk]

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I would prefer that Bioware put a focus on making a game with good story and combat with romances being cherry on top of the cake.

 

Then again, that is just wishful thinking on my part. Bioware's games these days are about dating sim romances and the fanbase raging over the character's sexuality.

[Donk]

 

Then again, that is just wishful thinking on my part. Bioware's games these days are about dating sim romances and the fanbase raging over the character's sexuality.

 

[Lady Artifice]

I would prefer that Bioware put a focus on making a game with good story and combat with romances being cherry on top of the cake.

 

Then again, that is just wishful thinking on my part. Bioware's games these days are about dating sim romances and the fanbase raging over the character's sexuality.

 

This mentality is as bizarre to me as it ever was.

 

Fanbase reaction doesn't, and likely never will, define what the game is about. 

[Donk]

This mentality is as bizarre to me as it ever was.

Fanbase reaction doesn't, and likely never will, define what the game is about.

If that were true Bioware would just ditch games altogether and create interactive hentai instead.

[Mechler]

I would prefer that Bioware put a focus on making a game with good story and combat with romances being cherry on top of the cake.

 

Then again, that is just wishful thinking on my part. Bioware's games these days are about dating sim romances and the fanbase raging over the character's sexuality.

 

Problem is the cherry is more like a raisin. They give you a limited number of people to chose from, you get to talk to them when they get something new to say at certain points in the story and at one point if you turn down all but one of them you get to have sex with that one. That isn't romance. An actual influence system could help a lot. Especially is story choices on the field and gifts can be used to gather/lose influence. And maybe more than one date. And maybe don't give squadmates holograms of their past loves.

Now we have the cherry.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Cutting out anything is even worse than showing fewer romance options.

 

I would rather lose content that doesn't work for several reason (out of character,is badly written and/or animated, engine can't handle it, gameplay isn't fun, and etc), than having it just for the sake of having it. Having bad, poor, or content that just doesn't work does not make the game a better experience it actually makes it a poorer experience.

 

Or simply put: content that doesn't work and/or hurts the story and/or gameplay should always be cut.

[Iakus]

Asari have a thousand year lifespan. Even if it took them less than a hundred years to mentally mature, Liara is still a Maiden and a long way from being a Matron. Shepard is in early 30s. I think the right term was 'barely legal'.

Shepard was 28 as of ME1.  Thus about 31 in ME3 (assuming we count the two years spend dead)

 

We're also assuming asari mature at the same relative rate as humans, which is not a given.