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[MaleShep_MaleInquis]

This post will contain major plot-heavy spoilers regarding the fate of the Inquisition. If you have not played the Trespasser DLC yet, please only continue to read at your own risk.

 

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The major choice we get after the end of Trespasser is whether to keep the Inquisition around under a peacekeeping role under direct service to the Divine or to disband it entirely. 

 

I did not like being pigeonholed into these two choice as both, to me, are not desirable. The whole time during Trespasser when people would ask me what I would do with the Inquisition, I would say that the Inquisition was still needed whether the powers that be liked it or not. (Especially when talking to the ambassadors from Orlais and Fereldan I basically told them that the Inquisition was not going anywhere.)

 

My whole goal and my whole thought-process was to keep the Inquisition as an independent watch-dog organization protecting Thedas much like the Grey Wardens. This was the same feel that I got at the end of the vanilla game from the epilogue. Instead, we're given the choice to be a peacekeeping arm of the Chantry or disband entirely. That just leaves a poor taste in my mouth.

 

I did not want to answer to Vivienne (who became Divine in my playthrough) especially because I did not agree with her ways. All hopes of an independent organization continuing on ended at that final dialogue option. Bioware even gave us 6 options but it really only amounts to the decision to be controlled by the Chantry or to disband.

 

Who else is with me on this? Who all wanted the Inquisition to remain an independent watch-dog organization keeping everyone in check?

[9TailsFox]

I wanted join Solas and watch world burn, and I am not even elf but human male mage. After all the good I done everyone treat me like crap. Because I mage it seams nice world where magic everywhere, and how Solas speak about it.

[MaleShep_MaleInquis]

I wanted join Solas and watch world burn, and I am not even elf but human male mage. After all the good I done everyone treat me like crap. Because I mage it seams nice world where magic everywhere, and how Solas speak about it.

 

Ya I am really bummed how they forced players into one choice or the other.

 

I hated that Vivienne became the Divine in my playthrough and that I had to serve her! I was the Inquisitor! This makes me so mad.

[Alex Hawke]

Why I couldn't become the new Divine? A male Qunari warrior would be perfect for this.

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Seriously, uncontrollable army of religious fanatics makes people nervous, thus the South preferred to see it either integrated, controlled, used and harmless or disbanded completely.

[9TailsFox]

Why I couldn't become the new Divine? A male Qunari warrior would be perfect for this.

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Seriously, uncontrollable army of religious fanatics makes people nervous, thus the South preferred to see it either integrated, controlled, used and harmless or disbanded completely.

I have problem mage become divine.And you want male and Qu... do I even need to continue?

[9TailsFox]

Ya I am really bummed how they forced players into one choice or the other.

 

I hated that Vivienne became the Divine in my playthrough and that I had to serve her! I was the Inquisitor! This makes me so mad.

My divine was Leliana not crazy pants. But still I disbanded if someone can stop Solas it's his friend.

[tincjin]

I agree, they gave us quiet poor choices regarding the fate of the Inquisition.

In my first playthrough - I kept the Inquisition, just because I didn't want to agree with Fereldan and Orlais and make them feel angry.
However I didn't realize that would make us some Chantry fellas (even with Leliana as the Divine)
I despise the Chantry and Templar Order and everything regarding the Maker ('roleplay' hate actually - it's quiet an interesting story)

So on my second playthrough, I understood things I little bit better so I angrily disbanded it just because I don't want anything to do with the Chantry. And it is my "canon" choice.

 

[In Exile]

The point you have to accept is that, ultimately, getting massacred by the rest of Thedas is not an option. I suppose they should have allowed a non-standard game over: the Inquisition refuses to disband, and eventually they just phase to the scrolling epilogue where Skyhold is sieged and the Inquisitor is killed as a rebel, with no one to stop Solas (ala ME2's bad ending). 

[ShadowLordXII]

The point you have to accept is that, ultimately, getting massacred by the rest of Thedas is not an option. I suppose they should have allowed a non-standard game over: the Inquisition refuses to disband, and eventually they just phase to the scrolling epilogue where Skyhold is sieged and the Inquisitor is killed as a rebel, with no one to stop Solas (ala ME2's bad ending). 

 

Only Orlais and Ferelden were apparently ticked about the Inquisition and wanted it gone.

 

His point was that the two choices that BW presented to players were poor ones. Especially since the dlc's presentation so heavy-handed and involves a lot of brow-beating to where having these two choices and ONLY these two choices feels contrived.

 

Especially since the Exalted Council was not done well at all.

 

Even the Landsmeet in Origins allowed you to make your case and bring up gathered evidence so you could actually debate Loghain's worth as a leader. I'd still argue that the Landsmeet should have had the option to appoint someone else as leader apart from Anora and Alistair, but at least those two choices make some sense.

 

Here? The Inquisition is basically told that it has to go. Self-serving representatives from ungrateful nations sling mud at the Inquisition and we don't even have a chance to defend ourselves. We can't debate the points brought against us or even counter with how the Inquisition's proven its worth. No one that we've aided comes to our defense and tries to counter with compelling reasoning. Nothing of the sort. We have to disband or become a neutered peacekeeping force. The Exalted Council was essentially a Kangaroo Court where the verdict was already decided despite the laughable lack of evidence or decent argumentation.

 

A standard game over would have been as bad as the Refuse Ending. That's basically a middle finger for not going with a poor choice among poor choices.

 

BW just wanted the Inquisition gone for the sake of the plot. But that in itself is pointless since they're moving to Northern Thedas anyway. Why does it matter if the Inquisition's still around if the next game is taking place in Tevinter? 

[Dai Grepher]

I wanted to keep the Inquisition around as an independent peace-keeping organization like the Silver Order, but also focus the Inquisition on helping people and dedicating it toward research of all things historical and magical. My male human mage made an Infirmary, an Herb Garden, and a Mage Tower. I wanted to have an Inquisition that solved problems and answered mysteries, and favored truth and honesty above all else. I also hoped to have spirit Cole stick around to help out with the Seekers, and look into reversing tranquility for certain mages. Who better than spirit Cole to reawaken these tranquil? He can help them recover from it after they are awakened, and Cassandra and my mage would be there too in case things got out of hand.

 

But yes, the two choices at the end of Gaspasser were stupid, as were the responses, like the rest of the DLC. I also predict that both of these choices will be merged into one for DA4. Either the ex-Inquisitor will have recruited more people to have a larger order, or the Inquisitor will have reduced the Inquisition further to match this same amount. And even the ex-Inquisitor will still be called "Inquisitor".

[nightscrawl]

Eh I had no trouble with the way the Exalted Council was presented. It was a kangaroo court and they made no pretense to show otherwise.

[CoM Solaufein]

I wanted join Solas and watch world burn, and I am not even elf but human male mage. After all the good I done everyone treat me like crap. Because I mage it seams nice world where magic everywhere, and how Solas speak about it.

My elven mage who hated shems felt the same way.

[In Exile]

Only Orlais and Ferelden were apparently ticked about the Inquisition and wanted it gone.

His point was that the two choices that BW presented to players were poor ones. Especially since the dlc's presentation so heavy-handed and involves a lot of brow-beating to where having these two choices and ONLY these two choices feels contrived.

Especially since the Exalted Council was not done well at all.

Even the Landsmeet in Origins allowed you to make your case and bring up gathered evidence so you could actually debate Loghain's worth as a leader. I'd still argue that the Landsmeet should have had the option to appoint someone else as leader apart from Anora and Alistair, but at least those two choices make some sense.

Here? The Inquisition is basically told that it has to go. Self-serving representatives from ungrateful nations sling mud at the Inquisition and we don't even have a chance to defend ourselves. We can't debate the points brought against us or even counter with how the Inquisition's proven its worth. No one that we've aided comes to our defense and tries to counter with compelling reasoning. Nothing of the sort. We have to disband or become a neutered peacekeeping force. The Exalted Council was essentially a Kangaroo Court where the verdict was already decided despite the laughable lack of evidence or decent argumentation.

A standard game over would have been as bad as the Refuse Ending. That's basically a middle finger for not going with a poor choice among poor choices.

BW just wanted the Inquisition gone for the sake of the plot. But that in itself is pointless since they're moving to Northern Thedas anyway. Why does it matter if the Inquisition's still around if the next game is taking place in Tevinter?

It matters because the Inquisition will clearly feature IN DA4. That's why there are two options: you either have an institution coopted by the Chantry so people won't whine about it acting out of character OR it doesn't exist.

The landsmeet is an awful example. That was an anti Loghain moment in the middle of a civil war. You couldn't nominate anyone BUT Anora or Alistair. It was just as artificial and absurd.

Not to mention you could show 0 evidence, have Loghain convince everyone you were not just wrong but arguably part of killing Cailan, but then it's all OK because you beat Loghain in a 1v1 duel. It's even dumber form a political standpoint.

This isn't about a debate. The Council isn't a discussion. It's a fight between Orlais and Ferelden. The former wants the Inquisition under its wing. The latter wants to disband it. And the Inquisition doesn't have the force to withstand their combined might.

There's no argument there.

It's dumb. I don't like the forced choice. It's not planned out well. But I'm just saying once they decided on this path then what else would you expect?

[ShadowLordXII]

It matters because the Inquisition will clearly feature IN DA4. That's why there are two options: you either have an institution coopted by the Chantry so people won't whine about it acting out of character OR it doesn't exist.

The landsmeet is an awful example. That was an anti Loghain moment in the middle of a civil war. You couldn't nominate anyone BUT Anora or Alistair. It was just as artificial and absurd.

Not to mention you could show 0 evidence, have Loghain convince everyone you were not just wrong but arguably part of killing Cailan, but then it's all OK because you beat Loghain in a 1v1 duel. It's even dumber form a political standpoint.

This isn't about a debate. The Council isn't a discussion. It's a fight between Orlais and Ferelden. The former wants the Inquisition under its wing. The latter wants to disband it. And the Inquisition doesn't have the force to withstand their combined might.

There's no argument there.

It's dumb. I don't like the forced choice. It's not planned out well. But I'm just saying once they decided on this path then what else would you expect?

 

I'd expect BW to do better because what we got is far below their capabilities as developers and writers. The Landsmeet has plenty of holes, but having that as my example proves how much worst the Exalted Council was.

 

At least the Landsmeet allows the player to have meaningful input in the central debate. At least you can actually debate Loghain and demonstrate that he's not fit to lead. You even had a choice as to kill Loghain or not, the game didn't brow-beat you into nonsense about how Loghain had to live. You still retained agency as to act as you saw fit. Again, having Anora and Alistair as the only options was dumb. But it did make some sense since Anora was respected and Alistair was Maric's son. If it seemed Anti-Loghain then that was because Loghain was digging the ditch deeper for himself, as you can frankly demonstrate. Though the option to convince Loghain that GWs are needed to save Ferelden and then join him would have been an interesting one.

 

United Front? Ferelden and Orlais? That's yet another lost opportunity since these nations hate each other. Do you know how cool it would have been to diplomatic turn these bitter rivals/enemies against each other and have them independently decide that keeping the Inquisition around as an independent entity is better than letting their sworn enemy get what they want? I'm even surprised that they're willing to sit on the same Council together.

 

But no, the EC doesn't even let players interact with this kangaroo court and yet tries to paint it as though the Inquisition is the problem. Worst is that we have to sit through bad argumentation and politics just to have that nonsense beaten into our heads. And why do only Ferelden and Orlais have representation at this Council? Why weren't Varric and Dorian in that chamber presenting a defense for the Inquisition? Where's the representative from Nevarra or Antiva?

[Nonoru]

Even if you disband you still retain the core members so it doesn't matter. 

 

In fact, it's probably better that way since you won't expose yourself to betrayal which will likely come with the worst timing. 

[GoldenGail3]

My Male Mage Lavellan who hated the Chantry but who wanted power chose to not disband the Inquiston.

My Female Lavellan who at this point just didn't care; she disbanded it angrily.

My Male Rogue Lavellan disbanded the Inquiston sadly.

[OMTING52601]

This final decision is the only place, in dialogue, where my hard a** IQ actually was a rude a**hole. LOLOL! I've kept them and disbanded them, but honestly, what the heck does it even matter? In short, it won't. BW doesn't do repeat heroes, just repeat companions and filler bodies with thirty second cutscenes for whatever purpose (fan squee? nothing wrong with it, just my opinion).

 

So, if there is a next game, IQ won't be playing a role, and neither will Inquisition, except maybe as background (and hopefully not filler-y background like the mages/Templars or the Wardens in this game). The IQ might 'hire' or 'choose' the hero, but that's about as far as I imagine the IQ's involvement will be... Also, the whole 'save Solas/kill Solas' final 'impact decision' at the end... I hooted - well, hoot, every time I play it. I cannot imagine that choice having any impact whatsoever - I mean, if it did, how would new players be able to just jump on board? They wouldn't know who Solas was/is, not really, plus if that's like a hard core, concrete thing that were to say, set the tone or theme of the next game, how could players (new or old) RP? By that I mean, say your IQ is determined to hunt that nutty knife-ear to the grave - so the new hero has no choice but to follow quest paths that lead to Solas' destruction, no other option. 

 

Yeah, that'd go over real well with consumers *sarcasm*. Fwiw, ymmv.

[Dai Grepher]

The landsmeet is an awful example. That was an anti Loghain moment in the middle of a civil war. You couldn't nominate anyone BUT Anora or Alistair. It was just as artificial and absurd.

Not to mention you could show 0 evidence, have Loghain convince everyone you were not just wrong but arguably part of killing Cailan, but then it's all OK because you beat Loghain in a 1v1 duel. It's even dumber form a political standpoint.

This isn't about a debate. The Council isn't a discussion. It's a fight between Orlais and Ferelden. The former wants the Inquisition under its wing. The latter wants to disband it. And the Inquisition doesn't have the force to withstand their combined might.

 

Ah ah, it's possible to have your Cousland rule as a joint-ruling monarch.

 

The duel was held to prevent the entire country from crumbling into oblivion. Neither side could afford to let the civil war deplete the number of Ferelden troops any further.

 

The Exalted Council was forced exposition made to accomplish a hamfisted funneling of worldstates. Nothing more. The Inquisition had more than enough to dismiss Orlais and Ferelden both. Vivienne as Victoria clearly identifies both nations as paper tigers.

[Patient.Zero]

@ omting52601

think the "redeem" or "eradicate" choice with Solas decides whether or not he's willing to change his mind about going through with his latest catastrophic plot the next time you see him.

"You know what, [insert DA4 protaginist name or title here] what you've suggested does sound like a better idea then once again messing with the fabric of reality. - chose to redeem

"You understand nothing, [insert DA4 protaginist name or title here]. I did so much damage to the world by messing with the fabric of reality. Just look at how the elves live in squaller! The solution is clearly to once again mess with the fabric of reality! Don't try to tell me otherwise! - chose to eradicate

 

*EDIT spelling errors 

[Chiramu]

I personally just would've liked more to do with the actual Council rather then running off on some adventure. Playing ambassador was a new aspect and I wasn't allowed to represent myself . 

I also would've spoken to the Council immediately after finding the Qunari in the house >.>, in fact I would've liked Leliana's agent to announce the news to the whole Council. That surely would present a massive surprise to the Qunari in the end and would've been most hilarious XD. 

 

I don't mind about disbanding the Inquisition, it really did not need to be around any longer. The speech my Inquisitor said at the end represented my feelings on the subject, but the rail-roading on going solo on a dangerous mission instead of asking Ferelden or Orlais for help is what gets at me ><. It would've gone better if there were more people killing those Qunari .

[SomberXIII]

I wanted join Solas and watch world burn, and I am not even elf but human male mage. After all the good I done everyone treat me like crap. Because I mage it seams nice world where magic everywhere, and how Solas speak about it.

Thedas is a good place.   

It's just the people are crap. 

[Madmoe77]

Smells like the Silver Order in here! 

 

Champion's of the Just gave us a good example of how the Inquisition could have turned out. The alternate; In Hushed Whispers, also gave us insight into this future for the Inquisition under a more forceful control. Both should have been allowed anyway. Worst case scenario is an immediate slide in The Keep saying gameover or something. At least there would be some finality to the choice we made.

 

Players making this choice start out with a fresh canon fixed by Bioware in the next game.

 

I know this isn't ideal but much like the infamous RED ENDING to Mass Effect 3-it would give the opportunity to think for one's self (in both cases, in actuality for everyone else in the process. Delicious control lol.)

 

Dragon Age and Mass Effect is having a depth problem and this is there way of navigating it. We have to eventually accept this. I prefer in-game therapy on trash mobs.  

[vertigomez]

I was fine with it. What are you going to do with a paramilitary organization that's beholden to no one and riddled with Qunari and ancient elven god spies? If you didn't disband or reform, somebody was going to have the Inquisitor's head on a silver platter.

[OMTING52601]

@ omting52601

think the "redeem" or "eradicate" choice with Solas decides whether or not he's willing to change his mind about going through with his latest catastrophic plot the next time you see him.

"You know what, [insert DA4 protaginist name or title here] what you've suggested does sound like a better idea then once again messing with the fabric of reality. - chose to redeem

"You understand nothing, [insert DA4 protaginist name or title here]. I did so much damage to the world by messing with the fabric of reality. Just look at how the elves live in squaller! The solution is clearly to once against messing with the fabric of reality! Don't try to tell me otherwise! - chose to eradicate

 

Yeah, but even that would severely inhibit RP. So you're a new player, but as the game progresses, you start to see Solas as less 'super bad' and more 'super misguided' so when things come to a head, you think you can really change his mind. So you try (and fail) and try again (maybe, if you're inclined to play the game over or what not) and again... And then you realize you're screwed because in your pregame comic/warmup/Keep whatever you picked eradicate? Yeah, that is not only poor game design but poor story telling and can't think folks would be thrilled with it. BW is a lot of things, does a lot of things, but I think even this might be over their line in the sand. 

 

No one, interested in the hero's journey RPG thing, wants to spend hours and hours only to find out, real blatantly at the end of a game, that they have had no player agency AT ALL. Umm, ME3.

[Patient.Zero]

Actually I think it's an appropriate consequence for your actions. Isn't that what RPGs are all about? Making choices and seeing them come to fruition? You made the choice to set Solas on which ever path he took and now you have to deal with it. As for new comers to the game, I was first introduced to the Dragon Age games through Inquisition and I didn't complain about the default settings (especially since it's a rather simple process to change them).