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[Donquijote and 59 others]

This game has these parts where they shove these "moral" decisions, and giving only extreme choices.

So why there is no option to put Loghain in a cage instead to kill him?

[Just My Moniker]

Why isn't there an option to go out and have ice cream with the Archdemon and discuss things?

[Tidus]

IMHO and from reading the various replies the cage option would be a waste. Some redeem Loghain  while others kill him for his crimes.

 

In my games he will continue to pay for his treason and crimes against humanity.  There is no pardon nor does the bleeding hearts of Ferelden unite  to save him.

[Catilina]

...and you cant just slap up Sebastian at the end of DA2. (Sorry, if off)

[Aren]

IMHO and from reading the various replies the cage option would be a waste. Some redeem Loghain  while others kill him for his crimes.

 

In my games he will continue to pay for his treason and crimes against humanity.  There is no pardon nor does the bleeding hearts of Ferelden unite  to save him.

Not really ya know 40 years at Fort drakon are far worse than a quick death

[Tidus]

Aren, Yes..40 years in Ft. Drakon would work and he could suffer like the families of the people he killed with his treachery and suffer like those sold into slavery..

 

Maybe a better idea would have him imprison in Orlais for 50 years. Think of it.. He would be surround by the very people he hates. That would be far better then a quick death.

[Dai Grepher]

Because Alistair will want him dead regardless. The only way to prevent that is to give him the Joining Juice.

[Aren]

Because Alistair will want him dead regardless. The only way to prevent that is to give him the Joining Juice.

So is Alistair fault then.

[Catilina]

So is Alistair fault then.

As anders loss Sebastian's fault (for me).

[Tidus]

Dia,Tidus or Camine could care less what Alistair wants at this point. This is about selling friends and family into slavery and seeing justice is done for the victims..Alistair,Riordan or anybody that steps in the way would be hazarding their life.

[Ghost Gal]

Because at least part of the Landsmeet supports Loghain. (Even if you max out your approval points, at least one vocal fan will support him, with some implied quiet ones feeling the same.) Unity is essential for not only defeating the Blight, but rebuilding afterwards. As long as Loghain's alive and not explicitly on your side, rabble-rousers could use him as an excuse to dissent or revolt. The only way to ensure political stability is to kill him or have him Join the Grey Wardens as your subordinate, so the Bannorn has no choice but to follow your banner and serve whatever monarch you pick.

[Tidus]

Just because he allow to join the Greys is no reason not to believe he would lead a revolt against King Alistair in the future. At this point he is deranged and should not be trusted. 

[Ghost Gal]

Just because he allow to join the Greys is no reason not to believe he would lead a revolt against King Alistair. At this point he is deranged and should not be trusted. 

 

I agree. That's why I always kill him.

 

But, his political clout is why he can't simply be "locked up." You have to either kill him or make him into one of your people if you want to keep Ferelden united under your banner, and ensure political stability after the Blight.

[Tidus]

Locking Loghain up would be a nice alterative like I mention above. Orlais would be the best prison since there would be less of a chance for a prison break.

 

Leliana and Morrigan bluff their way pass guards before having to fight.

[Aren]

Just because he allow to join the Greys is no reason not to believe he would lead a revolt against King Alistair in the future. At this point he is deranged and should not be trusted. 

Assuming that one put king alistair on the throne which i didn't in my game

Anway i don't see any reason for political instability if he would be exiled.

[Tidus]

Aren,I do not trust Anora.. What is stopping her from having the pc warden and Alistair killed after the blight?

 

Anora plays the game as good as any Orlaisan.

[Aren]

Aren,I do not trust Anora.. What is stopping her from having the pc warden and Alistair killed after the blight?

 

Anora plays the game as good as any Orlaisan.

In fact she is more than clever than AListair and can manage to handle better politics with the others countries.

As far as i'm concerned  my warden remained king and was not yet killed by her spouse,you have nothing against Anora and yet you accuse her solely based on the fact that she is Loghain's daughter.

[Tidus]

Seems that Eamon warns the PC warden not to trust her to far. I picked up on that.. I didn't survive 13 months of combat because I cuddled my enemy .. The warden is in danger since Loghain still wants him/her dead. Even the Trevinter slaver knew Loghain's hate for the warden was beyond any normal reasoning. Anora knows her father wants the warden dead.

 

Loghain is a enemy that needs to be eliminated as quickly as possible.

[Illegitimus]

Seems that Eamon warns the PC warden not to trust her to far. 

 

Of course he does.  With Anora out of the way, Eamon would be the only political adviser the king has.  

[Tidus]

Illegitimus,Until the warden has Alistair to marry her or if its pup Coulsand  he can marry her but, until that time she should not be  completely trusted. After 15 games I still hold her suspect.

 

Loghain accuses the warden as being the puppeteer that will pull Alistair's strings but, I always thought the real puppeteer would be Eamon.

 

What stills bugs me is how did Loghain know to send Cauthrien with his  elite guards to arrest  the warden for the murder of Howe and his men?  It doesn't take long to get from the room where we fought Howe back to Anora yet,after freeing her we wade into a strong ambush in the next room.

[Ash Wind]

Loghain has a fanatical following, especially among the Army. If you just lock him in a cage... will the bulk of the Army follow the Warden to battle the Blight if Loghain is sitting in some cell?

 

Or will, at least some, try to free him... splintering the Army and making it weaker? If released, and at the head of at least a portion of the Army, will Loghain attack the darkspawn, the Wardens, or both?

 

I believe the two choices you have are the correct ones, you either recruit him, or you have to kill him under the 'he's too dangerous to live' rationale.

[Tidus]

I think Bhelen summed it up better after he killed Harrowmont. You can't have a divided kingdom. Bhelen saw the danger of letting a potential enemy live.

 

 Of course he could return in a future DA game leading a revolt against King Alistair. Come to think about it would be fun putting down a revolt lead by a rogue warden and a demon possessed Conner.  

[Illegitimus]

Illegitimus,Until the warden has Alistair to marry her or if its pup Coulsand  he can marry her but, until that time she should not be  completely trusted. After 15 games I still hold her suspect.

 

Loghain accuses the warden as being the puppeteer that will pull Alistair's strings but, I always thought the real puppeteer would be Eamon.

 

What stills bugs me is how did Loghain know to send Cauthrien with his  elite guards to arrest  the warden for the murder of Howe and his men?  It doesn't take long to get from the room where we fought Howe back to Anora yet,after freeing her we wade into a strong ambush in the next room.

 

Possibility One:  Loghain had a spy watching the house who saw the Warden and co leave and go to Howe's

Possibility Two:  Cauthrien wasn't even there for the Warden.  She was there to extract Anora from Howe's clutches since she was overdue.  When she saw the mayhem, she improvised her course of action.  

[Tidus]

Illgetitmus, Cauthrien was indeed there for the warden.. "Loghain  only wants the warden,he doesn't care about the others". That was my first clue something wasn't right.. In my games, Zevran,Lelianna and Morrigan help kill Howe and has men at arms. yet, Loghain not interested even though all are equally guilty?

 

What would stop Anora from sending her lady in waiting to tell her father the warden is on the way to kill Howe?  She does want to keep her throne at this point.

 

Cauthrien strikes me as one that would follow Loghain's orders blindly even though she asked about leaving the King in Ostagar when Loghain gave the order to withdrawal.

 

Yes,he could have sent a spy to follow the group instead of sending Cauthrien and those elite knights to save Howe.. Maybe Howe knew to much and had to be silence just like the wardens?  Look how fast he blames the warden for mind controlling his daughter.

 

There's to many unanswered questions in that story line.

[Illegitimus]

Illgetitmus, Cauthrien was indeed there for the warden.. "Loghain  only wants the warden,he doesn't care about the others". That was my first clue something wasn't right.. In my games, Zevran,Lelianna and Morrigan help kill Howe and has men at arms. yet, Loghain not interested even though all are equally guilty?

 

What would stop Anora from sending her lady in waiting to tell her father the warden is on the way to kill Howe?  She does want to keep her throne at this point.

 

Cauthrien strikes me as one that would follow Loghain's orders blindly even though she asked about leaving the King in Ostagar when Loghain gave the order to withdrawal.

 

Yes,he could have sent a spy to follow the group instead of sending Cauthrien and those elite knights to save Howe.. Maybe Howe knew to much and had to be silence just like the wardens?  Look how fast he blames the warden for mind controlling his daughter.

 

There's to many unanswered questions in that story line.

 

What would stop Anora from sending her lady in waiting to tell her father is the fact that Anora wants her position back and not only is Loghain occupying it, but he's mismanaging thing so direly it won't even be there for her to get back.  The only thing the Warden getting caught would do is mess up Anora's plan to switch sides for the winning team.  If she was still on Team Loghain, she wouldn't be going to Eamon after that.  Clearly Cauthrien doesn't give a damn about Howe's untimely death, but simply knows that Loghain wants the Warden grabbed.