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[In Exile]

I think the main reason is that this "political correction" is way too modern, not something that you had during the dark ages. Sure DAO had some but in its core had a medeivel view.

One of my complaints of the inquisition was actually that it felt too modern in its views on hbtq, female standing and they never really went deep on the racial aspect. It feels that the writers are scared to offend the known communitys. Rather explain that this is how it was during that time

 

Sexuality, race and gender politics - the kind we have in the 20th century - is not something you had during the dark ages. Also, nationality. Huge anachronism - people talking about being "Ferelden" vs. "Orlesian", the role of the religions being so diminished, etc. Historical accuracy is not the thing to appeal to when it comes to these games. 

[In Exile]

Ultimately the fact is I try to compare the DA:I world with the real world and these minoriteies ARE minorities and thus unlikely to be ALL present among the main cast of characters is what I am saying. 

 

And you'd be wrong, because that's not how distribution works. A particular group - like the Inquisition - isn't a simple random sample of the general population. It would be very unrealistic if a non-random sample of the population was representative of population averages.

[helpthisguyplease]

Sexuality, race and gender politics - the kind we have in the 20th century - is not something you had during the dark ages. Also, nationality. Huge anachronism - people talking about being "Ferelden" vs. "Orlesian", the role of the religions being so diminished, etc. Historical accuracy is not the thing to appeal to when it comes to these games. 

Maybe their not dark ages maybe their early renaissance. 

[vertigomez]

You're turning my words around what bugs me is that ALL these "minorities" are present directly around the Inquisitor. As I said I do not mind the diversity that includes whatever minority you count yourself a part of. I always feel as though speaking about "minorities" is a touchy subject. Ultimately the fact is I try to compare the DA:I world with the real world and these minoriteies ARE minorities and thus unlikely to be ALL present among the main cast of characters is what I am saying. Your feeling victimized when you are not even attacked only emphasizes how insecure you are and does not add to the discussion, but that's probably my fault as I said I tend to be clumsy with my words.

I'm not insecure at all, and I don't feel attacked or victimized by your post. I was demonstrating my own point of view, which is that it sucks ass to feel like your favorite video game setting is ignoring your existence in favor of the majority, like most entertainment media does. Especially when they've already established that sexual orientation ain't no thang in Thedas.
 

And about the previous DA and DA2, yes all these diverse races and sexual orientation and so on were present one way or another but not ALL of them as part of the main cast of characters. But as Witch Cocktor mentionned and I've thought about that too it is possible that these aren't minorities at all in Thedas. The thing is that is never clearly explained and thus I compare as I said previously with the real world. It does sound unlikely though that there would be no minorities at all. What they could have done is reverse the majorities and minorities or just switch some and not others now that might be interestng though it would probably cause some troubles with story making. Ultimately I think we always imagine things on the basis of the world we live in we rarely just think of something that comes outta nowhere. Managing to write a story with that context would probably be quite a feat IMHO.

But they WERE part of the main cast of characters. Non-white people? Zevran, Isabela, Fenris. Qunari? Sten, even Tallis. Bisexuals? Leliana, Merrill, Anders, Fenris, etc. None of this is new, but you're acting like it is.

As has been mentioned, it's possible that the percentage of [whatever] in Thedas is greater than it is in the real world anyway, so the point is moot.

The world I live in and the people I associate with are very diverse, so there's no cognitive dissonance for me.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Sexuality, race and gender politics - the kind we have in the 20th century - is not something you had during the dark ages. Also, nationality. Huge anachronism - people talking about being "Ferelden" vs. "Orlesian", the role of the religions being so diminished, etc. Historical accuracy is not the thing to appeal to when it comes to these games. 

 

Not to mention that everything is really clean and infant mortality seems to be well under 30% and pretty much everyone can read. (There are notes all over the place, written by everyone from shepherds to blacksmiths, so it's not like it's only the educated elite like it was in the real Middle Ages.)

 

Personally, I blame the existence of dragons. It must all be their fault, somehow.

[nightscrawl]

The world I live in and the people I associate with are very diverse, so there's no cognitive dissonance for me.

There really shouldn't be cognitive dissonance for anyone. These are fantasy games in a fantasy world that has little in common with our own real world and history, and I don't just mean the non-human races, magic, and dragons.

One of the major differences comes in the matriarchal Chantry and its influence on the lives of women in Thedas and in the Dragon Age universe as a whole. If one can accept that, then why is it such a stretch that homosexuals, bisexuals, and various persons of color are also accepted?

I really don't understand why the line for "realism" is drawn at that particular place.

[Jedi Comedian]

He hates the video games, but this doesn't change the fact that CD Projekt Red try to be as close to the source material as possible

[Jedi Comedian]

And yet I wouldn't know his books if not for the games (this is coming from a person who enjoys reading).

[Biotic Apostate]

As a bio when they do games in a starwars and dnd universe

As YourFunnyUncle mentioned, Bioware haven't used dnd rules for a long time. Even if they did, the new rules state that you can create a character of any skin color, sexual orientation, and gender identity. We had asian and black people in BG and NWN. Also, Star Wars has gay characters in comics and black and latino people in films (as leads even). So your point is moot, because even in those universes, Bioware could do a diverse cast. In the Witcher universe, there's hardly any minorities.

[Biotic Apostate]

You are right. That must be why I like them so much, then. I like stories with the whole "random group of strangers who ordinarily wouldn't get along get thrown together and form a team for some reason..." theme. Colorful personalities. Hard won friendships. Love in unexpected places, etc.

I mean that's a theme for a lot of RPGs where you have companions, watching those characters play off of each other is what makes it interesting, having a team of people who are the same would be boring and would provide zero opportunity for character growth.

[Biotic Apostate]

And yet I wouldn't know his books if not for the games (this is coming from a person who enjoys reading).

He's pissed about that too. He thinks it cheapens his achievements. When asked about the games, he basically said it's the dumbest way to spend your free time. But he got a lot of cash for it, so he shouldn't really be so critical.

[Biotic Apostate]

You're turning my words around what bugs me is that ALL these "minorities" are present directly around the Inquisitor. As I said I do not mind the diversity that includes whatever minority you count yourself a part of. I always feel as though speaking about "minorities" is a touchy subject. Ultimately the fact is I try to compare the DA:I world with the real world and these minoriteies ARE minorities and thus unlikely to be ALL present among the main cast of characters is what I am saying. Your feeling victimized when you are not even attacked only emphasizes how insecure you are and does not add to the discussion, but that's probably my fault as I said I tend to be clumsy with my words.

 

And about the previous DA and DA2, yes all these diverse races and sexual orientation and so on were present one way or another but not ALL of them as part of the main cast of characters. But as Witch Cocktor mentionned and I've thought about that too it is possible that these aren't minorities at all in Thedas. The thing is that is never clearly explained and thus I compare as I said previously with the real world. It does sound unlikely though that there would be no minorities at all. What they could have done is reverse the majorities and minorities or just switch some and not others now that might be interestng though it would probably cause some troubles with story making. Ultimately I think we always imagine things on the basis of the world we live in we rarely just think of something that comes outta nowhere. Managing to write a story with that context would probably be quite a feat IMHO.

Now we have more non party less important npcs that are minorities than before. In DA and DA2 almost all minority characters were part of your party. Hell, the ratio of minorities vs the rest of companions was bigger in DA2 that in DAI, so I don't know why you would notice that just now with Inquisition.

And usually threads like this tend to spiral into one direction, so don't be surprised by the reaction it is getting.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Even if they did, the new rules state that you can create a character of any skin color, sexual orientation, and gender identity. We had asian and black people in BG and NWN. Also, Star Wars has gay characters in comics and black and latino people in films (as leads even). So your point is moot, because even in those universes, Bioware could do a diverse cast.  In the Witcher universe, there's hardly any minorities.

In DnD universe you always can find everything close enought and could create any bizzarre and halfthat-halfthat creature and play it if game master agree. the other question would be how the hell he is there and how become a hero in this story...DnD almost does not care a bit about explanation and reaction of who you are and others

 

this is new disney canon of star wars, and bio with makeb add some of them, before in the whole starwars there was only straight relationship for childmaking and a hutts hermaphrodites and insectoid race with many genders as "minorities"...about pigmentation(let be clear that there is no "whites" "asians" and "blacks" "latinos" in star wars) there is so many different races in starwars especially humanlike that noone care and they are like twileks everywere almost on each planets with millions peoples who migrate and migrate and migrates everytime they wanted, thats not the same as with many universes and it always was since first starwars films and books. comics

 

Witcher universe in dark medieval setting have a very rare amount bisexuals-lesbians if you are about this minorites who mostly only a old mages males and females and Ciri as a main hero, "dark skinned asians" exist there but they far far away and we see few of them in books and kinda many(if we can understand simple truth that lands where we have game story are far far away from those there they can be seen commonly) in Witcher games

 

the problem is when you create some char or add anything(like elephants and zebra in show wasteland) you kinda need his history and explanation, this is senseles and less realistic to add everything, and this ruins game universe

 

in DAI as i can see and what makes author of this tread confused and talk about political correction, that there is a problem with to many "rivanies" in the ferelden and orlais lands there they are no common but for some reason and this is not explanated they are in DAi even that 10 years ago in DAO they were not at least in ferelden, i am not talk about Vivienne who have full explanation of how and where, i ma talk about others like Denet mother Giselle and others

 

about non-straits peoples this is Orlais lands and they as Antivans always was stated to have much into this sinse the beginning of DA, stil this is strange to not give any reaction for such things from non-orlesians like there was in DAO and Zevran have talk about such and we have Ogren reaction and others, in DAI only Mother Giselle have something very small and mostly about tevinter mage stuff

 

Qun(i am not consider Bull words as truth since Sten and lore was said how it worked). Tevinter must be another story there such relationships were not tolerated much and this would be silly to show racism and nazionalistic, religion. magictolerance stuff of  Thedas nations cultute but not other sides...Dorian story already are kind of stupid and all that whine not make sense if noone was really care about who he was and with who he do romance as with Crem would be about a woman who was go to army and pretended, lie that she is a male until it was discovered

 

Many characters were really not suited to be together, to be as Inquisition companions and Inquisitor always have his herald and orlais chantry stuff no matter what and who we are, even after we know the truth about elven powers

[Jedi Comedian]

He's pissed about that too. He thinks it cheapens his achievements. When asked about the games, he basically said it's the dumbest way to spend your free time. But he got a lot of cash for it, so he shouldn't really be so critical.

[AlanC9]

Also, Star Wars has gay characters in comics and black and latino people in films (as leads even).

The films might even have a gay character, if you believe a certain rumor....

[Jedi Comedian]

Imagine what would happen if Game of Thrones got a decent videogame adaptation.
Uncle George has dedicated a "f*** them" to his fans for less.

[AlanC9]

And about the previous DA and DA2, yes all these diverse races and sexual orientation and so on were present one way or another but not ALL of them as part of the main cast of characters.

Wait a minute... the game with 80% bisexual companions (100% without DLC) is supposed to support your point?

[Jedi Comedian]

The films might even have a gay character, if you believe a certain rumor....

[The Loyal Nub]

The Witcher series has a set canon, the books it was based on take place in a fictional Europe or really a fictional version of Poland, racial diversity was nonexistent, and at the time it was written LGBT issues didn't exist there. Also, Sapkowski has made some wildly racist comments in the past, so it's not like he wanted only white people for immersive reasons. Bioware on the other hand has 100% control over the worlds they create, and the previous lead writer for DA is gay. So a very bad comparison.

 

I've read all of the novels that have been published in English as well as the short story collections. While I cannot speak to what Sapkowski has said or stated in interviews there is bisexual sex and romance in his novels (Ciri has a girlfriend and gay sex) as well as a very liberal attitude towards abortion and women's rights for a Polish Catholic writer (Geralt is very clearly for abortion as a woman's right and there are several pages devoted to that in an early story). There are also mentions of other races trading in Geralt's world and existing. I'd also point out that racial issues are addressed in how the relationships between humans and others are dealt with and Sapkowski does not betray any supremacist notions in his handling of that.

 

I really hate the whole "world of the Witcher" argument that came up this summer anyway. Whole legions of fools arguing that there shouldn't be darker people because this was European, blah, blah, blah. European only in the most tertiary ways unless you really think people hunted wyverns in Europe at one time! Sapkowski also blended in other mythologies into his stories and not just Eastern European. There is a fair bit of Celtic mythology in his tales as well as German/ French "fairy tales." I was so glad when Hearts of Stone came out and CDPR put a race in that borrowed a fair bit from Arabia so that maybe all that blah, blah, blah will stop now!

[Jedi Comedian]

You mean Poe? I've read a certain fanfiction where Poe, Finn and Rey realize they don't know each other "enough"... but then Poe would be bi.

[Asdrubael Vect]

game of thrones have dark skninned peoples in 99% only in a dessert lands, as Wither too and as LoR universe and others

[AlanC9]

In DnD universe you always can find everything close enought and could create any bizzarre and halfthat-halfthat creature and play it if game master agree. the other question would be how the hell he is there and how become a hero in this story...DnD almost does not care a bit about explanation and reaction of who you are and others.

And neither did Bio. Their whole design philosophy is, and always has been, to ensure as much diversity as possible among the companions. Hell, Aerie's the only avariel in the entire game, and Vicky's the only surface drow.

Qun(i am not consider Bull words as truth since Sten and lore was said how it worked). Tevinter must be another story there such relationships were not tolerated much and this would be silly to show racism and nazionalistic, religion. magictolerance stuff of Thedas nations cultute but not other sides...Dorian story already are kind of stupid and all that whine not make sense if noone was really care about who he was and with who he do romance as with Crem would be about a woman who was go to army and pretended, lie that she is a male until it was discovered

If you're going to stick with DA you're going to have to get out of denial at some point, you know.

[AlanC9]

You mean Poe? I've read a certain fanfiction where Poe, Finn and Rey realize they don't know each other "enough"... but then Poe would be bi.

That's the rumor, yeah. IIRC it's based on the look he tosses Finn near the end.

I don't buy it either.

[sniper_arrow]

Imagine what would happen if Game of Thrones got a decent videogame adaptation.
Uncle George has dedicated a "f*** them" to his fans for less.

 

There already was a GoT game. I'm not sure if it's good or not.

[Asdrubael Vect]

There already was a GoT game. I'm not sure if it's good or not.

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