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[AgentMrOrange]

ME should have a space pirate protagonist. 

 

Biower pls....

I fully support this notion 

 

please everyone does space marines

I would like something different 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

ME should have a space pirate protagonist. 

 

Biower pls....

Would we have a pirate like Hondo as a companion?

[Han Shot First]

I'm not sure who that guy is, but sure..why not? 

 

Although I'm cool with another military protagonist, I think it would be interesting to go the full anti-hero route. Plus a rickety rust-bucket of a ship filled with a motley collection of undisciplined cutthroats, scoundrels, and scalawags could be a fun contrast from the atmosphere of the Normandy in the last three games.

 

EDIT: Just looked him up. I need to watch The Clone Wars before my Star Wars cred gets revoked.

[AgentMrOrange]

be a space pirate with the N7 guy hunting us down

sounds like fun to me

[Seraphim24]

Anyway, I'm just going to type here for no reason other than my own amusement and posterity, and because this thread got me thinking about this, and because it relates to the thread at any rate, and for the 3 people here that played through the entirety of Neverwinter Nights. 

 

Anyway

 

As far as this goes, it seems Bioware has had a history of veering between kind of the more pragmatic conflicted types and the sort of cackling manical chaotic evil (HI JON IRENICUS)

 

Frankly speaking, coming to mind just now was Aribeth de Tylmarande who was a rather engaging character in certain ways.. As opposed to many characters, who eventually you are fighting against and so on and so forth, she is driven by a sense of compassion or kind of generalized faith in some sort of weighing and balancing good and evil from the get-go, so, in contrast to ME big deep threat space robot who is just so deep threat deepness and lobs again the "inexorable" logic compelling certain acts but which really isn't very logical, or Loghain-esque scrapped together weighing and balancing in the thick of things does that causes massive evils in exchange for arguable goods.

 

In fact, the symbol of the order of Tyr (which is like this completely fictional sort of D&D god/person) is the "even-handed" order or balanced scales, which is in essence, suggests the exact same processes as Loghain, perhaps you can see the genesis of the same idea in Loghain at a certain point, but it seems there is more of a fervent dedication to sympathy and not sort of the off the cuff kind of weigh-balance of Loghain, etc, as I was saying.

 

In Aribeth's case, she is motivated simply by her kind of sense of her role and by a generic sense of compassion, and so on and so forth which has different people doing different things in it. Or more often, the contrast between her desires and the world she inhabits, the kind of crazed conflicted world of Neverwinter, which has many competing factions and in turn some of their respective notions of justice, that may or may not be adhered to in various ways.

 

So in a sense, she is rising and falling with the beliefs she espouses, and does not as strictly engage in a process of weighing and balancing or otherwise overturning and grinding through this or that idea because it sounds like X lives for Y lives and so on and so forth, as a mechanical operation, but as a sympathetic one, or more motivated by some kind of emotional compass.

 

I can't remember all the details, but at any rate you also realize that there is information about the order of Tyr in the game from here.. http://frc.wikia.com/wiki/Tyr

 

Essentially, it can be somewhat difficult to summarize... there appears to be a focus of some sort on attempting to make clear judgments supported by an understanding of the facts and situation, as opposed to (just generally, not saying this applies to others automatically or something) being motivated more by vengeance.. there are also different more radical less factions, etc. I couldn't say about Tyr generally as compared to the other factions in D&D and so on, since there are so many and so forth, but fundamentally something thereabouts.

 

One way or another, the process of weighing and balancing takes precedence because it is viewed as a core essence that Aribeth seems to aspire to in general. Moreover, that conflict is spun into a conflict between her values and those of others in Neverwinter and their beliefs about justice or vengeance, which, not as pertains to Tyr or something necessarily, are often simply more vengeful in many respects. So you are inclined not to view her conflicts as personally driven or accidentally but a compelling interpretation that might strike a chord, which is usually more (though not always) more engaging than drawing up conflicts as due to just random accidents or misinterpretations..

 

In the case of Aribeth, she is drowned out by the kind of clearly more malicious and vengefully driven wings of Neverwinter, which plays into the tragedy of Fenthick Moss. According to Aribeth and the order of Tyr, it seems to say that that acts falling into his sort of situation (i.e. acts not clearly intended to support but otherwise more negligent acts should not be punishable in the extreme sense, which is exactly what happens to Fenthick.

 

So, in a sense, a fairly tragic act compels her into a tragic tailspin, manifesting in ultimately supporting Morag, who is then more kind of chaotic evil. So, the idea is she was victimized by adherence to the tragic clash between the more just solution compelled by her personal values, as opposed to the massively vengeful more chaotic evil solution forced over her own.

 

In this, you aren't just fighting someone who was deep robot space evil, or a vicious compromiser, but almost seemingly, on some level, someone who actually has had a very powerful grievance. It's in a sense, it seems, to me the tip or aspiration of a genuinely "tragic" character, where precise circumstances or operations are designed at precise points to cause maximum chaos. What the player wants (but is denied until Hordes of the Underdark) is the opportunity to support her in part, the part that is denied her just desires, against her other more vindictive ones.

 

So, yeah...

 

TDLR: Aribeth >> Loghain. Aribeth >>>>>>> Saren, Sovereign, Harbinger.

 

And then there's KOTOR, which I can summarize much more simply... man... that game was kinda.. wow... just not good. (Sorry Ill Divo)

So that part was easy.

[Seraphim24]

Kittens!

 

 

Meow!

[Natureguy85]

 

TDLR: Aribeth >> Loghain. Aribeth >>>>>>> Saren, Sovereign, Harbinger.

 

 

That depends on what you're looking for in your bad guys. I didn't play Neverwinter Nights but while Sovereign wasn't deep, he was intimidating and was a great villain for what that game needed. It's too bad the Reapers were turned into a joke in the later games.

[Seraphim24]

 I didn't play Neverwinter Nights but while Sovereign wasn't deep, he was intimidating and was a great villain for what that game needed. It's too bad the Reapers were turned into a joke in the later games.

 

Well you should try it. =-)

 

I should of made a distinction between Sovereign and Harbinger... Sovereign was more compelling than Harbinger they weren't the same as implied in my TLDR.

[Han Shot First]

color me shocked, astounded, dumbstruck, etc...

 

I've got the perfect idea for a Christmas gift for Elhanan next year. 

 

The complete works of Catullus!

[AutumnRose]

Well except about fundamentally DA > ME, which is, well 100% accurate.

Says the person who is hanging in the ME forums. And everyone knows a 100% statistic is complete BS because there are always exceptions to the rule, thus making your statement a joke. Therefore
Fact: ME > hemroids > DA
98.7% accurate

[Gambit458]

How about a villain that kills your love interest halfway into the game withouth forshadowing or way to stop it?

 

On a serious note I think Saren was a much better villain than Sovereign. You had a reason to hate him, he was the anti shepard he was someone you can directly fight. Yeah, Saren was awesome.

In other words..Be Sephiroth 

[goishen]

I find the big bad guys (Harbinger and Sovereign) much more compelling and impactful, simply because they are usually more willing to show their power (and it usually it a greater power) early on.  I mean, it's one thing to say "I'm gonna beat the **** out of you" and then do it.  It's quite another to say "I'm gonna destroy your entire bloodline" and then do it.

[Seraphim24]

Says the person who is hanging in the ME forums. And everyone knows a 100% statistic is complete BS because there are always exceptions to the rule, thus making your statement a joke. Therefore
Fact: ME > hemroids > DA
98.7% accurate

 

No you are wrong, again, but like Artifice I suppose there is no point in continuing on this point.... it definitely seems like this forum is going the way of the dodo....

 

Frankly, it's really just not correct that people just push their own version of the truth onto other people, when it's not correct, but I see that's just a problem for you and will continue to be one.

 

And if you knew something about Bioware you would know they tend to share a lot of developers and people between franchises, and so they also share similar themes and all that.

[AutumnRose]

No you are wrong, again, but like Artifice I suppose there is no point in continuing on this point.... it definitely seems like this forum is going the way of the dodo....

Frankly, it's extremely irritating that people just push their own version of the truth onto other people, when it's not correct, but I see that's just a problem for you and will continue to be one.

I see that you are snide and lack a sense of humor. Also, closed minded and feel insulted when someone presents a different viewpoint.

[Puddi III]

Well it is objectively better than FFVIII.

[Seraphim24]

I see that you are snide and lack a sense of humor. Also, closed minded and feel insulted when someone presents a different viewpoint.

 

No that that was you, actually, I'm actually completely calm, this is quite typical here.

 

I already gave you my sense of humor, the issue here is you aren't presenting a different viewpoint, as I've already stated, like I did with Artifice, after having played lots of games, consumed lots of things, etc, it's pretty obvious which thing is better than which thing, which I am just pointing out. After that, there isn't any room for disagreement essentially, you are just lashing out against a truth which you don't want to accept.

 

If you were stating a different viewpoint, you would say "I think ME is quite good, maybe better than DA" so you are stating a "fact" and a "fact" which is clearly quite wrong, in face of the true fact, which is DA > ME.

 

If for whatever reason it had been unclear, then we would be disagreeing.

 

Well it is objectively better than FFVIII.

 

10 has that last beast of nostalgia... however... it is one of if not the weakest FFs, by some margin... just not nearly as much fun, what a bummer! 13 of course probably managed to be even less fun somehow!

 

8 in contrast, along with the more fun FFs like 1, 3, 5, 6, and arguably 11 is very close to the best.

[Seraphim24]

It's really interesting how so many people here will flagrantly ignore the truth which is unkind or doesn't suit them, and attempt to install their own version.

 

That is.. that is... fraustration... I suppose... that is... human... in small quantities it is expected, in larger quantities, it becomes more problematic, in certain manifestations, it cannot be called anything other than morally wrong.

 

The journey for all of you never gets easier... you all realize... this is just the beginning in many ways... I do not expect, or should not expect everyone to be all graces and dandylions all the time, these things are forgivable I think.... or maybe... i hope..

 

I know it is difficult, but if you truly are overwhelmed by Bioware or whatever, the only real option is to accept this fact, you are all proud, intelligent, people, there is no shame or weakness in feeling that way in the might of Bioware's legacy.... which is unlike so very many in this world.

 

Even as fans you are cool and interesting people, I myself, am a fan, believe it or not.

[AutumnRose]

No that that was you, actually, I'm actually completely calm, this is quite typical here.

 

I already gave you my sense of humor, the issue here is you aren't presenting a different viewpoint, as I've already stated, like I did with Artifice, after having played lots of games, consumed lots of things, etc, it's pretty obvious which thing is better than which thing, which I am just pointing out. After that, there isn't any room for disagreement essentially, you are just lashing out against a truth which you don't want to accept.

 

If you were stating a different viewpoint, you would say "I think ME is quite good, maybe better than DA" so you are stating a "fact" and a "fact" which is clearly quite wrong, in face of the true fact, which is DA > ME.

 

If for whatever reason it had been unclear, then we would be disagreeing.

 

 

10 and 7 are objectively the weakest FFs, by some considerable margin, not that I am in the habit of frowning upon games or media in general.

 

The only truth here is that ME > DA. Though you try to elude the truth with insults, it doesn't change this law of the universe.

Once again, this is why you are in the Master Race Mass Effect forum and not the lesser. Denying the truth will only cause pain and discomfort.

 

If for whatever reason you do not want to admit your obvious defeat, then agree to disagree.

Thank you

 

[Seraphim24]

The only truth here is that ME > DA. Though you try to elude the truth with insults, it doesn't change this law of the universe.

Once again, this is why you are in the Master Race Mass Effect forum and not the lesser. Denying the truth will only cause pain and discomfort.

 

If for whatever reason you do not want to admit your obvious defeat, then agree to disagree.

Thank you

 

Well that was better

 

But the law of the universe is DA > ME. Actually NWN > DA but of course NWN I suppose is gibberish to people here... I already explained why a DA discussion on ME is appropriate, could even point to specific writers that have hopped from franchise to franchise.

 

Remember, what I say, what others say, whether I say it or not, makes no difference, that is how people will treat it, because that is how it is. If you want to go in the world and pretend it isn't there, that is fine, but that is what it is.

 

Actually your entire post is mostly just you "If for whatever reason you do not want to admit to defeat."

[Puddi III]

It's really interesting how so many people here will flagrantly ignore the truth which is unkind or doesn't suit them, and attempt to install their own version.
 
That is.. that is... fraustration... I suppose... that is... human... in small quantities it is expected, in larger quantities, it becomes more problematic, in certain manifestations, it cannot be called anything other than morally wrong.
 
The journey for all of you never gets easier... you all realize... this is just the beginning in many ways... I do not expect, or should not expect everyone to be all graces and dandylions all the time, these things are forgivable I think.... or maybe... i hope..
 
I know it is difficult, but if you truly are overwhelmed by Bioware or whatever, the only real option is to accept this fact, you are all proud, intelligent, people, there is no shame or weakness in feeling that way in the might of Bioware's legacy.... which is unlike so very many in this world.
 
Even as fans you are cool and interesting people, I myself, am a fan, believe it or not.

Whatever that was, I need more to drink.

Unless, are you saying you're leaving us again? It's been so long since those once daily proclamations.

[Seraphim24]

I'm just saying, I've seen this before, with Blizzard, there were many proud and intelligent people that had... issues.,..

 

I'm just saying relax, your collective angst at being unable to overcome as I say the Bioware legacy is no shame, at all, for myself, in order to submit before the might of that legacy took a rather tremendous amount of energy. I, who played the games from the getgo was shocked to see how much it required, how much effort, how much, everything. All the historical bases and things which I was trying to use to understand certain things were heavily flawed.

 

Even someone who just really deeply appreciates ME or DA has the power to do a lot of cool things in the world, because that is the power of those things.

 

However, right now, instead of do anything along that dimension, they have mostly done nothing but fixate on the fact that they haven't in fact been overwhelmed by ME or DA, (or FF) yet, it's all just an illusion, a denial phase that has gone on forever, why? I don't know, maybe because no one called them on it?

 

I really don't care when people do their (EW ZELDA SUCKS) jibe here and there, but this place has been something else.. people again just lingering on the fixation phase forever.

 

And the more this "But yer wrong and its MY WAY" continues, the more I don't see cool people but really unfriendly, embittered people.

 

I mean seriously? Are you all literally going to spend the rest of your lives, in fierce denial, attempting to censure every fact you don't like or react negatively to anyone who says erstwhile?

 

This is just a tragic waste of time......

 

Maybe no one said the positive things... maybe that's it...

 

Despite your protestations, you seem like a very proud, rational, independent person Puddi, and same for you Lady Artifice. I don't know how society has valued your existence, but I would value it quite highly. Like Bioware, it is more.. demanding.. to argue with you types.

 

And even though we just met Autumn Rose, and seem to have issues, it is still quite nice you have an FFX Yuna avatar. You seem to also be quite a proud person, perhaps an interesting person, in ways that maybe society does not value in the way that it should. I think it is even good, because I can remember even just having a Lightning avatar for awhile... which made many people quite bitter... it seems....

[AutumnRose]

I'm just saying, I've seen this before, with Blizzard, there were many proud and intelligent people that had... issues.,..

 

I'm just saying relax, your collective angst at being unable to overcome as I say the Bioware legacy is no shame, at all, for myself, in order to submit before the might of that legacy took a rather tremendous amount of energy. I, who played the games from the getgo was shocked to see how much it required, how much effort, how much, everything. All the historical bases and things which I was trying to use to understand certain things were heavily flawed.

 

Even someone who just really deeply appreciates ME or DA has the power to do a lot of cool things in the world, because that is the power of those things.

 

However, right now, instead of do anything along that dimension, they have mostly done nothing but fixate on the fact that they haven't in fact been overwhelmed by ME or DA, (or FF) yet, it's all just an illusion, a denial phase that has gone on forever, why? I don't know, maybe because no one called them on it?

 

I really don't care when people do their (EW ZELDA SUCKS) jibe here and there, but this place has been something else.. people again just lingering on the fixation phase forever.

 

And the more this "But yer wrong and its MY WAY" continues, the more I will simply ramp up the consideration of you people as simply bad people, it has been going on for some time, is it continue forever?

 

I mean seriously? Are you all literally going to spend the rest of your lives, in fierce denial, attempting to censure every fact you don't like or react negatively to anyone who says erstwhile?

 

This is just a tragic waste of time......

 

tl;dr We don't value your opinion as much as you think you do.

 

All I get from your incoherent writing is that you have an inability to rationalize.

ME > DA completely accurate, end of discussion.

I win you lose.

Submit to my dominance

[Seraphim24]

It seems to me, a lot of you guys have taken out the problems the rest of society has given you, for whatever reason, on the only things that have shown you like some degree of consideration.

 

Which is just, completely backwards.

[Seraphim24]

Submit to my dominance

 

Even though I could be inclined to fulfill your wish, there isn't much to submit to I'm afraid... as I mostly see submissiveness, not dominance....

 

But there is potential here perhaps...

[CrimsonN7]

 

Also, a lot of shows can be subjective especially when it comes to humor. I personally loathe Family Guy and its humor while other people love the show and its writing.

 

Eh, Family Guy has gone downhill in recent years, you're not missing much. Not like you were seeking it out in the first place.   South Park though continues to get better and better.