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[Reguire]

I wouldn't want them in Andromeda but like the Illusive Man said "Cerberus is an idea". So it's quite possible to someone else to take over the reins.

[Natureguy85]

What reason is there for Cerberus to be in Andromeda anyway?

 

Well, the ME2 and 3 writers really loved them.

 

Negativity again? Booh! BoooooH!

 

Every time you respond, killroy will respond back.

[Display Name Owner]

MEEEHHHH.

 

Given the whole colonisation thing, there could be a theme of unity vs. each species vying for their own best interests, in which case I guess we could go more or less 'umanity first and there could be a group that plays into that. But please don't call it Cerberus, please don't make them look, act, or operate like Cerberus and please don't make them have a god damn hand in every single thing like Cerberus somehow did. And no more silly experiments going awry that somehow establishes them as the most intelligent and simultaneously most idiotic bunch of people in the galaxy.

[NM_Che56]

Unless you already live in Andromeda where your old boys club/Andromeda council/Hyper advanced galaxy wide empire is already established.

 

 

I was strictly speaking from the Human/Asari/Salarian/Turian perspective.  It's still different.  Rather than humans be the "new kid in school", you have a few.  Strength in numbers.  Do the council races unite under a common cause? Or, do different groups figure appeasement and compliance with current occupants is the way?  And that's assuming that the races in Andromeda are as advanced as we are.  One could argue "no" since we're the ones coming to their home turf first.

 

Given that the announcement trailer had a very "American West/Frontier" kind of quality to it with the song, I wouldn't be surprised if themes of manifest destiny and imperialism don't crop up.

[greenbrownblue]

I sure hope not. What's the point of going to a new galaxy with a clean slate of possibilities to work with, only to pull out the cerberus card? 

True... Though I am curious how much of Mass Effect there will be in MEA. With Shepard, her team and Cerberus gone, it's not really the same. Would like to see some Cerberus fraction . Looks like 99% of ppl do not like the idea of Cerberus making a come back and I totally understand it.

[Draining Dragon]

I'm honestly sick of Cerberus at this point.

[ZipZap2000]

I was strictly speaking from the Human/Asari/Salarian/Turian perspective. It's still different. Rather than humans be the "new kid in school", you have a few. Strength in numbers. Do the council races unite under a common cause? Or, do different groups figure appeasement and compliance with current occupants is the way? And that's assuming that the races in Andromeda are as advanced as we are. One could argue "no" since we're the ones coming to their home turf first.

Given that the announcement trailer had a very "American West/Frontier" kind of quality to it with the song, I wouldn't be surprised if themes of manifest destiny and imperialism don't crop up.

Theoretically without Reapers to interrupt their development they should be more advanced.

Shouldn't they?

[Master Warder Z_]

Theoretically without Reapers to interrupt their development they should be more advanced.

Shouldn't they?

 

Lets talk about the various cultures over in the Congo who hadn't even gotten past 11th century technology in the 1960s.

 

 

Time can be a vacuum if there is no need to advance, cultures can stagnate if nothing is driving innovation.

 

There are numerous examples across our own planet of that, groups of people that haven't advanced into the modern world and haven't moved past Iron Age.

[ZipZap2000]

Lets talk about the various cultures over in the Congo who hadn't even gotten past 11th century technology in the 1960s.



Time can be a vacuum if there is no need to advance, cultures can stagnate if nothing is driving innovation.

There are numerous examples across our own planet of that, groups of people that haven't advanced into the modern world and haven't moved past Iron Age.

I come from the oldest living culture on earth. Stone age people until recently.

That was only due to isolation.

If we were talking a single planet id say possible. However I'd argue people like us are the exception not the rule.

I'd say the same for the Congo its one of the most isolated and dangerous placed on earth.

The chances of a billion years worth of technological advancement being neglected or dismissed or overlooked in an entire galaxy full of life is a bit much.

[Arcian]

Well, Super MAC really loved them.

FTFY.

[Master Warder Z_]

The chances of a billion years worth of technological advancement being neglected or dismissed or overlooked in an entire galaxy full of life is a bit much.

 

So is the assumption that time period gave rise to some sort of galactic government, I mean do you know what Earth was like a billion years ago? It was a molten hot rock that couldn't sustain life above the scale of basic bacteria that resemble what we'd call methane.

[ZipZap2000]

So is the assumption that time period gave rise to some sort of galactic government, I mean do you know what Earth was like a billion years ago? It was a molten hot rock that couldn't sustain life above the scale of basic bacteria that resemble what we'd call methane.

Now we come back to your original argument. That we're arbitrarily judging a timeline we cant establish facts about.or within. Who's to say earth is old as Andromeda galaxy.

Id wager its not.

[goishen]

Theoretically without Reapers to interrupt their development they should be more advanced.

Shouldn't they?

 

 

Well, that's a big question.  

 

If the reapers had technological achievements and upgrades they could apply, then no.  Say that the reapers did evolve as a species.  It could then every fifty thousand years, program into the keepers a way to use their technologies and upgrades.  Thus, and thereby, allowing us to use their technology and upgrades, if it saw fit.  At the same time, Andromeda is growing and evolving as well, but with the peaks and valleys of evolution that plague organics.  This is in comparison with the Reapers.  I'm not sure, but I'm thinking they have a way of going about it that is methodical, more logical.  The only thing is, they don't have those same peaks and valleys.

[ZipZap2000]

Well, that's a big question.

If the reapers had technological achievements and upgrades they could apply, then no. Say that the reapers did evolve as a species. It could then every fifty thousand years, program into the keepers a way to use their technologies and upgrades. Thus, and thereby, allowing us to use their technology and upgrades, if it saw fit. At the same time, Andromeda is growing and evolving as well, but with the peaks and valleys of evolution that plague organics. This is in comparison with the Reapers. I'm not sure, but I'm thinking they have a way of going about it that is methodical, more logical. The only thing is, they don't have those same peaks and valleys.

The Reapers are advanced there is no doubt but how far were we allowed to advance by comparison to other species?

Lore wise Andromeda could be a tough world to build in.

[goishen]

The Reapers are advanced there is no doubt but how far were we allowed to advance by comparison to other species?

Lore wise Andromeda could be a tough world to build in.

 

Oh, I agree they're more advanced than us.  But what if that advancement continues?   All they would have to do is tell the Citadel (Catalyst), then he provide that information to the keepers, then the keepers could provide that information to us.

 

It may not be as difficult as it would seem.  Possibly the first generations of the cycles were looking at light speed (as we are today) and saying, "There's no way we're gonna break that."  Possibly that's why they lost.  The species' finally caught up far enough with their technology to be able to defeat them.

[Natureguy85]

War or scarcity of resources (not necessarily in the entire galaxy but on the worlds of the most advanced civilizations), could also be retarding factors on advancement. Also remember that each cycle in the Milky Way advanced on the back of Reaper tech. The Reapers themselves, on the other hand, had nothing limiting them, really.

[Master Warder Z_]

Now we come back to your original argument. That we're arbitrarily judging a timeline we cant establish facts about.or within. Who's to say earth is old as Andromeda galaxy.

Id wager its not.

 

If you go by theorized creation of the galaxy, incidentally the Andromeda Galaxy and the creation of Earth itself are in the same relative time frame, of the past five to ten billion years ago.

 

So...

[ZipZap2000]

If you go by theorized creation of the galaxy, incidentally the Andromeda Galaxy and the creation of Earth itself are in the same relative time frame, of the past five to ten billion years ago.

So...

If you'd said 5-10 without adding billion to the end. I'd buy into that.

[Master Warder Z_]

If you'd said 5-10 without adding billion to the end. I'd buy into that.

 

The earth is itself theorized to be formed around 4.5 billion years ago, and that galaxy was supposedly formed by the merging of two smaller galaxies in that time frame.

 

It may be older, or younger, its all theory based on imagery and data collected in the past like...ten years.

[ZipZap2000]

The earth is itself theorized to be formed around 4.5 billion years ago, and that galaxy was supposedly formed by the merging of two smaller galaxies in that time frame.

It may be older, or younger, its all theory based on imagery and data collected in the past like...ten years.

Good point id forgotten its shape.

So in theory they could have suffered two galaxy wide cataclysms at once.

That would cause a reset or at the very least a galactic dark age.

[katamuro]

I would rather Cerberus be dead. As an organisation. As an idea of human supremacy I think its never going to truly die so you can easily have it anywhere where humans are. But Cerberus the organisation should be dead.

[greenbrownblue]

I would rather Cerberus be dead. As an organisation. As an idea of human supremacy I think its never going to truly die so you can easily have it anywhere where humans are. But Cerberus the organisation should be dead.

Yeah, actually it's a good point. 

[NM_Che56]

Theoretically without Reapers to interrupt their development they should be more advanced.

Shouldn't they?

Are we very advanced?  We don't even have flying cars or REAL hoverboards.  

[ZipZap2000]

Are we very advanced? We don't even have flying cars or REAL hoverboards.

We could have had both those things already if we tried hard enough.

[NM_Che56]

We could have had both those things already if we tried hard enough.

 

So what's the solution? Ruby Slippers? Maybe we'll find some ancient, alien MacGuffin on Mars one day.  LOL

 

The point is that life in Andromeda could very well be like us in 2016 or earlier. Why not? Just because they don't have Reapers doesn't automatically mean they'll be more advanced.  WE don't have Reapers.  And remember who created the relays to begin with, after all...