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[Saikyo_McRyu]

My favorite FAQ thread is "On The Optimal Utilization of Missiles." While I noobfail all over the place otherwise, I like to think I'm applying Cobras judiciously when not ragemissileing Dragoons.
 
So I know this may be slightly hard to believe, but I die a lot and spend a generous amount of time in Spectator mode.
 
And many a time I have seen a valiant player of above average skill trying to carry us worthless pugs but letting two Banshees chase him around until the inevitable synch kill happens and all you see is the Blue Cross/Blue Shield logo hanging over his body until the MISSION FAILED screen appears on wave 10.
 
Or a group of pugs in a revive circle, often with me included, surrounded by two Pyros, a Hunter, and a Prime.
 
Or a similar group of pugs five feet away from the completion of a drone escort, who allow a squad of Phantoms to get in close.
 
With the understanding that I screwed up and thus am face down on the deck for a reason, is it acceptable to tell surviving players in the above situations something like "USE YOUR MISSILES NOW, OR WE WIPE!!" DON'T MIND ME, I'LL BE OVER HERE UNDER THE TURRET."
 
Oh, and I do try to watch out for my still-vertical teammates, FWIW. "Hey, there's a Ravager with a clear shot at... never mind."
 

Modifié par Saikyo_McRyu, 13 janvier 2016 - 04:32 .

[capn233]

Hmmm.  I guess you could simply ask them to rocket via the radio.

[TheBunz]

Sounds more like a L2P. Only use rockets wave 8+ If you can get a killstreak medal, to speed up eliminate the target objective, save a teammate from sync, and in the o **** moment you run into spawn/ 4 phantom rape squad.

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

Sorry,but I'm saving mine for wave 11.

[DarkOrgasm]

Dear Pug:

 

There's no time for aerial bombardment

 

But please dont let that stop you from standing in the Valley of Death and use your pew pews to defy death

[Sinful Force]

^ You mean dead end Ghost LZ trapped behind hard blankets?

[DarkOrgasm]

^ You mean dead end Ghost LZ trapped behind hard blankets?

I see dead pugs everywhere!

[Catastrophy]

Just you equip your beloved Revenant and your team mates will be all the eager to use their missiles.

[Saikyo_McRyu]

Just you equip your beloved Revenant and your team mates will be all the eager to use their missiles.

[HamleticTortoise]

My advice is - beside avoiding the giant laser - that if you feel like you have contributed enough to the match to actually have some stakes into it, go ahead and mention it, but do not expect it to have much of an effect.

Far more effective, however, would be to warn the surviving players of any danger approaching them, and let it up to them to decide what to do; most experienced players would consider missiling the last two banshees of a wave a waste, for example; I certainly would not do it, unless I was out of op packs, or the team had shown to be reliable and not stingy with consumables, or a friend was spectating and I wanted to speed things up. Having someone checking my flank for phantoms while I am sniping that pesky Atlas is, however, the kind of gesture that might make the difference between an extraction and a wipe.

 

 

This is most assuredly not meant towards you, but I can assure you that if someone that has been carried throughout the match, and that has made no effort to help, pipes up to ask that I use missiles while he is spectating, I will weld the launcher to my back, and take him through a long, throughout, exhaustive tour of the map

[TheShadyEngineer]

Going on the voice chat and with a somewhat serious and urgent tone asking em to pull missiles is actually surprisingly effective. That's if you're alive of course. My rule of thumb when I'm dead is to avoid giving out tactical advice other than warning about flanking units and whatnot. In other words- Shut up. Dead men don't talk. 

 

Catastrophy, on 13 Jan 2016 - 11:26 AM, said:

Just you equip your beloved Revenant and your team mates will be all the eager to use their missiles.

 

Is this a new BSN gag along the lines of deadly on full auto? I've been out of the loop for a while.

 

 

Edit: Quote function on mobile is wonky as all hell. 

Modifié par TheShadyEngineer, 13 janvier 2016 - 04:58 .

[inert14]

Sounds more like a L2P. Only use rockets wave 8+ If you can get a killstreak medal, to speed up eliminate the target objective, save a teammate from sync, and in the o **** moment you run into spawn/ 4 phantom rape squad.

 

+Lone Swarmer

+BSNer Extraction send-off.

 

I also apply the following formula:

 

Missle use against primes = N+1

 

N being the number of primes on the map.

[JRandall0308]

Remember that when you start your manifest you can only carry 2 missiles. You've got to be really sparing with them at that point. You can easily run out and then have to clutch a later wave with no missiles, if everyone else drops.

 

On my PC account I'm now up to 4 and the difference in how I use them now is striking -- I can actually missile annoying spawns (f*ck you double Primes) and still have a couple for emergencies.

[Malaclypse The Younger]

It's a complex problem, OP. Me, I'll always try to help the unfortunate 'wave clutcher' with whatever tactical advice I can - but advising missile strikes is something I'd do only if the clutcher needs that sort of advice. That is, if it's a competent pro playing at around my level of skill, well, I'll leave it them to decide. If it's someone that doesn't have a lot of experience with the solo skillset I will tell them whatever they need to know, including when to missile, when to gel, when to stay down so the phantom stops dancing on their corpse, etc.

In a more general sense, though, I must admit that I have little empathy with missile misers. I just cannot see the game that way.

When I go into a game I always understand, however unconsciously, that I have 6 missiles/gels/ops packs/clips and assume that those items (along with single use mods) are the "cost" of entry/admittance - the price of the ticket - into each 11 round bout inside ME3MP's magical theme park of violence. If, by chance, I extract with any or all of those still in my inventory then that's a nice bonus to add to the fun, XP and credits with which I am already rewarded.

Furthermore, regarding those credits, I tend to mentally allocate a portion of each game's payout toward the purchase of the supplies necessary for admittance into the next game. For example, if a gold game earns me 83,000 credits, I think of that as 33k towards a JEP and 50k towards the hunt for better guns (aka, my UR-gambling addiction).

Gear/consumables are, to me, the cost of doing business.

It is this understanding that causes me to feel varying degrees of irritation when a PUG drops into a Gold/Plat with me and puts on no gear - gear that might help their Avenger IV actually hurt something or mitigate the weight penalty caused by also carrying a Widow III or keep them alive long enough to get a couple of shots off before the Banshee grabs them right in the middle of swinging that f@&king Krogan hammer, etc. Why might I get angry when a PUG doesn't use medigel and then says, "I'm saving up for Arsenal Packs!"? Because they are refusing to pay for "the cost of doing business".

If you are counting on someone else to have the missiles/gels necessary for the success of the match then you are not just a 'leech', you are straight-up PANHANDLING.

Now, I get it that some folks - of sufficient skill - might want to increase the challenge/difficulty of the game by trying to succeed without using gear/consumables. I've got ZERO problem with that...provided that they possess the requisite ability to pull it off and don't let the mission fail in order to save a medigel or a missile. That's not a good trade... and that person shouldn't be played with ever again (and might need to be burned alive by Vorcha Master Baits so that their ideas/genes can't propagate). Frugality is fine and dandy (though seems kinda childish when you remember we're talking about a video game's fantasy currency) but being a missile/medigel miser makes you a douchetard...

...especially when JEPs are cheap and are guaranteed to contain 5 EACH of the basics.

[SassaMFG]

I usually use rockets to destroy that stupid big Hex Shield...

[Malaclypse The Younger]

I usually use rockets to destroy that stupid big Hex Shield...

QFT cuz I can't like it twice.

[Sinful Force]

I usually use rockets to destroy that stupid big Hex Shield...

 

I've actually done this way too many times in the past.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

From my observations - gleaned while random pugging, when in spectator mode one is supposed to yell angrily over the mic, thus:

 

"Why you not revive me, you IDIOT??!! Now you have to clutch the wave. You rebel scum!!"

 

...or something of that sort.

 

I also gather one is supposed to do this in some kind of Eastern European accent, if possible.

[niniendowarrior]

Personally, I don't advise people to rocket on voice chat.  I don't micromanage players.  I personally do rocket when I revive someone and I know he or she will not have a chance to flee with the horde dancing on his/her grave.  I rocket to help others escape like when players are pinned down in the absolute corner by two brutes.  Then I run out of rockets and to that all I can tell myself is: "Well, you better hope someone else can help you."

 

I have had pug games where I save some pug with a rocket and he saved me from a sync kill with his own rocket later in the match.  Right after saving me, he went on voice chat to tell me: "I've got your back, mate."

[SassaMFG]

Just nuked single Swarmer in between w10 and w11... Pugs were mildly surprised, I can tell by the look on their faces... 

[Catastrophy]

[...]

 

"Just you equip your beloved Revenant and your team mates will be all the eager to use their missiles."

 

Is this a new BSN gag along the lines of deadly on full auto? I've been out of the loop for a while.

 

 

Edit: Quote function on mobile is wonky as all hell. 

 

Nah, not a classic. Just a way to tease Saikyo-san for being obsessive with the gun.

[Saikyo_McRyu]

Going on the voice chat and with a somewhat serious and urgent tone asking em to pull missiles is actually surprisingly effective. That's if you're alive of course. My rule of thumb when I'm dead is to avoid giving out tactical advice other than warning about flanking units and whatnot. In other words- Shut up. Dead men don't talk. 
 
Just you equip your beloved Revenant and your team mates will be all the eager to use their missiles.
 
Is this a new BSN gag along the lines of deadly on full auto? I've been out of the loop for a while.

Hmmm. There's a slight, but not insignificant, chance it could be the workings of a noob ME3MP player, desperate to make a name for himself and grovel shamelessly for fame and fortune, to obsessively-compulsively turn a generally disliked and monstrously inaccurate portable anti-aircraft gun into a memetic planet-buster weapon of Vaderesque effectiveness.

Spoiler

Or it could be that THE REVVAY PWNS EVERYTHING BOW TO ITS AWESOMENESS SERFS

[Oni Changas]

My favorite FAQ thread is "On The Optimal Utilization of Missiles." While I noobfail all over the place otherwise, I like to think I'm applying Cobras judiciously when not ragemissileing Dragoons.
 
So I know this may be slightly hard to believe, but I die a lot and spend a generous amount of time in Spectator mode.
 
And many a time I have seen a valiant player of above average skill trying to carry us worthless pugs but letting two Banshees chase him around until the inevitable synch kill happens and all you see is the Blue Cross/Blue Shield logo hanging over his body until the MISSION FAILED screen appears on wave 10.
 
Or a group of pugs in a revive circle, often with me included, surrounded by two Pyros, a Hunter, and a Prime.
 
Or a similar group of pugs five feet away from the completion of a drone escort, who allow a squad of Phantoms to get in close.
 
With the understanding that I screwed up and thus am face down on the deck for a reason, is it acceptable to tell surviving players in the above situations something like "USE YOUR MISSILES NOW, OR WE WIPE!!" DON'T MIND ME, I'LL BE OVER HERE UNDER THE TURRET."
 
Oh, and I do try to watch out for my still-vertical teammates, FWIW. "Hey, there's a Ravager with a clear shot at... never mind."
 

Ya'know Saikyo, whatever they say about ya, you're over with me pal.

 

My way is to hop on the mic and first politely suggest they do then give them reasons why they should. Believe it or not I always try to keep it respectful on the mic unless people give me a ton of reasons not to. Mostly it's newbs that like to save their missiles whether it be because they don't have many or are not accustomed to using them efficiently (i.e. not for Wave 11 killstreaks or point whoring).

[SethGecko]

I tell the newbies that every enemy killed by a missile increases their N7 rank by one.

Some of them have actually believed me and have told me they will 'spend more money on rockets' lol.

And no.........

I feel no shame.

Edit: I may not be the best candidate for Supreme Commander: PUG Challenge.

[Sinful Force]

^ I try very hard to not tell newbs how to play anymore, and just go along with the chaos + try not to lose it. But your idea sounds good.