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[Spectr61]

I know - I've played a Blood Mage before. I've played it more then once, it sucks. Your health gets cut - and you die the moment the enemy decides to kill you. And I don't need this guide; I've beaten the game like.... Four times as a Mage Hawke. I love playing as a Mage Hawke but really; I like Battlemage and Spirt Healer more so that I wouldn't get a one hit KO each time I play as one, lol.

Well, all I can say is that after playing all the different mage Hawke possibilities, I found the Blood Mage Hawke to far and away the most powerful, survivable and fun. Nightmare, friendly fire on.

It has a really high learning curve though, that's why I found the Blood Mage Compendium so helpful. It is very complex and in-depth, which I am sure is off putting to some.

I just posted it here because in DA2 you could Blood Mage rofstomp through everything at the highest levels without ever sacrificing anyone or ever being processed by a demon.

But your game, do as you will.

[GoldenGail3]

Well, all I can say is that after playing all the different mage Hawke possibilities, I found the Blood Mage Hawke to far and away the most powerful, survivable and fun. Nightmare, friendly fire on.
It has a really high learning curve though, that's why I found the Blood Mage Compendium so helpful. It is very complex and in-depth, which I am sure is off putting to some.
I just posted it here because in DA2 you could Blood Mage rofstomp through everything at the highest levels without ever sacrificing anyone or ever being processed by a demon.
But your game, do as you will.

I didn't scarfice anyone; my health was unbelievablely low before I became a Blood Mage so yeah... I got curbed stopped due to my low amount of health. Lol; it had nothing to do with scarfice (and that's how you gained health as a blood Mage). So yeah.... I'm lame at being a blood Mage Hawke but I have played one; with its stats high and i understand why it's powerful but I hate how low my health gets, lol.

[Catilina]

From an other viewpoint the usage of the blood magic may be a plus role-play element.
The usage of the blood magic suits a superior character with a real self-rule. The man like this knows that his will-power is rather strong.
Why does he consider those who use the blood magic stupid one after all? Because his conviction, that somebody else not so strong, than he.
Potential contradiction resolved.

 

The blood mage character need a special dialogue option, i think.

[Spectr61]

From an other viewpoint the usage of the blood magic may be a plus role-play element.
The usage of the blood magic suits a superior character with a real self-rule. The man like this knows that his will-power is rather strong.
Why does he consider those who use the blood magic stupid one after all? Because his conviction, that somebody else not so strong, than he.
Potential contradiction resolved.
 
The blood mage character need a special dialogue option, i think.

This.

After all, isn't the bottom line on evil or not self-determination?

[Catilina]

The self-importance not yet absolutely evil, but dangerous way. Than the blood magic

[Dai Grepher]

What you are referring to?The joining of the GW?

The GW joining is not in itself a form blood magic is just darkspawn blood used for the potency of the taint in order to create a GW.

 

I think the first Joining involved blood from Dumat. And in any case it was devised by Tevinter mages. So it is a form of bloodmagic.

[BSpud]

Yeah, the secret Joining recipe is most certainly derived from blood magic-related research, even if you don't have to be a blood mage yourself to put darkspawn blood, archdemon blood, lyrium, and 11 herbs & spices together in the correct amount and stir.

[Aren]

I think the first Joining involved blood from Dumat. And in any case it was devised by Tevinter mages. So it is a form of bloodmagic.

 

Is not blood magic  because the joining is only a ritual that improve the potency of the taint through lyrium,herbs and the archdemon blood but blood magic isn't involved.

Yeah, the secret Joining recipe is most certainly derived from blood magic-related research, even if you don't have to be a blood mage yourself to put darkspawn blood, archdemon blood, lyrium, and 11 herbs & spices together in the correct amount and stir.

 It is thought that Nakiri of The Donarks was the one who first suggested imbibing the blood of the darkspawn, as his people were known to consume the blood of their enemies to absorb their power. Tevinter mages in the group added to this knowledge, and it is said that elven slaves also contributed ancient knowledge from Arlathan.

[Medhia_Nox]

In case it hasn't been said... there's also probably a difference between "magic powered by blood" (blood magic) and "magic that happens to incorporate blood" (probably not blood magic)

[BSpud]

In case it hasn't been said... there's also probably a difference between "magic powered by blood" (blood magic) and "magic that happens to incorporate blood" (probably not blood magic)

 

Depends on who's doing the distinguishing. The Chantry would surely consider the latter blood magic, too.

[Joseph Warrick]

Gaider explained why blood magic is more dangerous. It's because it's easier. Immediate satisfaction. No discipline, no deep knowledge. Don't know how to do something? Ask a demon. A demon shows up and makes stuff happen for you, as opposed of actually having to study and learn how to make it happen yourself.

 

A responsible person should be able to handle it. Especially mages who are already experts.

[Dai Grepher]

Is not blood magic  because the joining is only a ritual that improve the potency of the taint through lyrium,herbs and the archdemon blood but blood magic isn't involved.

 It is thought that Nakiri of The Donarks was the one who first suggested imbibing the blood of the darkspawn, as his people were known to consume the blood of their enemies to absorb their power. Tevinter mages in the group added to this knowledge, and it is said that elven slaves also contributed ancient knowledge from Arlathan.

 

It is blood magic because it involves empowering an individual through the use of another individual or creature's blood. In this case, the initiate gains special powers from the blood of darkspawn and the archdemon. Same as how a reaver gains powers from the blood of a dragon.

 

Blood magic is defined as the use of ones own life force to power a spell or effect, or the use of another's blood or life force to power a spell or effect.

[Aren]

It is blood magic because it involves empowering an individual through the use of another individual or creature's blood. In this case, the initiate gains special powers from the blood of darkspawn and the archdemon. Same as how a reaver gains powers from the blood of a dragon.

 

Blood magic is defined as the use of ones own life force to power a spell or effect, or the use of another's blood or life force to power a spell or effect.

The joining and the reaver spec are two different things

 

The joining can't be defined as blood magic because it lack several key attributes that are necessary in order to consider it a form of blood magic.

 

-It does not have any effect on the veil

-it does not depend on demons and is not influenced by them

-it does not work on pain by the law the greater the pain the greater the power

-it does not use the life force of the others (darkspawns in this case) only their taint

 

Reavers on the other hands use a form of blood magic to empower their ability,they share the blood of the dragons or of the Wyverns and the 3rd and 4th point is very much valid for them

 

-it does  work on pain by the law the greater the pain the greater the power

-reavers are renewed to be stronger  by eating the life forces of others ,corpses specifically .

[diaspora2k5]

 

 

Is not blood magic  because the joining is only a ritual that improve the potency of the taint through lyrium,herbs and the archdemon blood but blood magic isn't involved.

 It is thought that Nakiri of The Donarks was the one who first suggested imbibing the blood of the darkspawn, as his people were known to consume the blood of their enemies to absorb their power. Tevinter mages in the group added to this knowledge, and it is said that elven slaves also contributed ancient knowledge from Arlathan.

 

Incorrect, the joining is blood magic. As per Gaider.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

Gaider explained why blood magic is more dangerous. It's because it's easier. Immediate satisfaction. No discipline, no deep knowledge. Don't know how to do something? Ask a demon. A demon shows up and makes stuff happen for you, as opposed of actually having to study and learn how to make it happen yourself.

A responsible person should be able to handle it. Especially mages who are already experts.

I believe Gaider was referring to the ease of overusing blood magic, as in how tempting it is to 99.99% of mages who know blood magic to resort to justify its use in order to further their own goals. More often than not, those goals are simply more power...which makes "responsible" blood magic kind of an oxymoron.

[Spectr61]

I believe Gaider was referring to the ease of overusing blood magic, as in how tempting it is to 99.99% of mages who know blood magic to resort to justify its use in order to further their own goals. More often than not, those goals are simply more power...which makes "responsible" blood magic kind of an oxymoron.

Ease of use defines intent?

Once the limits on temptation begin, where do they end?

[Aren]

Incorrect, the joining is blood magic. As per Gaider.

and he clearly contradict himslef from the illegal wardens topics 

http://forum.bioware...-over-ferelden/in which he said that Gw can be born even without the joining and that the joining itself is only a way to improve the potency of the taint,there is no magic of blood invovled in it.

Gaider himself said many times that he do not often even remember what he say in regard of the lore,so i do not  use his word as proof but i also try to link pieces together.

[Joseph Warrick]

I believe Gaider was referring to the ease of overusing blood magic, as in how tempting it is to 99.99% of mages who know blood magic to resort to justify its use in order to further their own goals. More often than not, those goals are simply more power...which makes "responsible" blood magic kind of an oxymoron.

It could be for convenience. I know Merrill is a bad example of responsibility, but she says something valid: if she had had copious amounts of lyrium to do whatever was needed with the mirror shard, she would not have needed to call a demon. So blood magic is a situational shortcut that may be used for convience. Just not as a general rule, replacing true knowledge.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

Ease of use defines intent?
Once the limits on temptation begin, where do they end?

I never said there should be a limit on temptation, I would love for blood magic to make a return as well as consequences for using it in certain ways.

[Aren]

It could be for convenience. I know Merrill is a bad example of responsibility, but she says something valid: if she had had copious amounts of lyrium to do whatever was needed with the mirror shard, she would not have needed to call a demon. So blood magic is a situational shortcut that may be used for convience. Just not as a general rule, replacing true knowledge.

She said that she used blood magic to clean the shard from the taint since she had no acess to lyrium,however in order to develop the knowledge to build an eluvian from scretch she need audacity that's why she contacted the demon

[diaspora2k5]

 

and he clearly contradict himslef from the illegal wardens topics 

http://forum.bioware...-over-ferelden/in which he said that Gw can be born even without the joining and that the joining itself is only a way to improve the potency of the taint,there is no magic of blood invovled in it.

Gaider himself said many times that he do not often even remember what he say in regard of the lore,so i do not  use his word as proof but i also try to link pieces together.

 

That post doesn't contradict the joining ritual being blood magic.

[Aren]

That post doesn't contradict the joining ritual being blood magic.

In there he said that the joining ritual is not necessary to create a GW it only improve the potency of the taint through archdemon blood,lyrium and herbs it is never said from what i recall that blood magic is used in the joining to improve the potency of the taint,it's lyrium not blood magic.

[Spectr61]

I never said there should be a limit on temptation, I would love for blood magic to make a return as well as consequences for using it in certain ways.

Well then what was your point?

Posting Gaider's comments on ease of use being too tempting and then calling responsible blood magic an oxymoron has me confused if you do indeed favor BM.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

Well then what was your point?
Posting Gaider's comments on ease of use being too tempting and then calling responsible blood magic an oxymoron has me confused if you do indeed favor BM.

I didn't post Gaider's comment, I was responding to someone else who did.
I want blood magic back in the game because I enjoy the potential for drama it creates. I like the idea of role playing a character that believes they can handle the temptation that blood magic offers. But I *personally* think resorting to it, for most mages, is a choice that will inevitably lead to disaster because most people can't handle the temptation. (I usually don't self insert when I role play.)

[Dai Grepher]

 

The joining can't be defined as blood magic because it lack several key attributes that are necessary in order to consider it a form of blood magic.

 

-It does not have any effect on the veil

-it does not depend on demons and is not influenced by them

-it does not work on pain by the law the greater the pain the greater the power

-it does not use the life force of the others (darkspawns in this case) only their taint

 

Reavers on the other hands use a form of blood magic to empower their ability,they share the blood of the dragons or of the Wyverns and the 3rd and 4th point is very much valid for them

 

-it does  work on pain by the law the greater the pain the greater the power

-reavers are renewed to be stronger  by eating the life forces of others ,corpses specifically .

 

 

Blood magic doesn't need to have an effect on the Veil.

 

Blood magic doesn't need to involve demons.

 

Blood magic doesn't need pain.

 

Blood magic does not need the life force of others.