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[leliana's fan]

Please answer honestly, even if not in topic. If you were in GW situation (young around 20 years)
1. Why would you choose: to die heroically or make a child with Morrigan and live to enjoy fame and honors ?
2. In terms of the game (1 year to live in camps), your fall in love with Leliana or not, as it appears in DAO?

[nightscrawl]

First of all, the choice with Morrigan isn't ONLY about living or dying. You can role-play anything you want regarding your Inquisitor's morality with the issue. In addition, female PC have the added conflict of talking Alistair into sleeping with a woman he despises, or of talking Loghain into doing it.

 

In my first DAO play when I had no meta information I refused the DR and Alistair sacrificed himself, because he was unhardened and I had made him king. So he decided that the first, last, and best act he should perform as king was to die. So he did.

 

In my subsequent plays I used Morrigan as a tool to ensure the survival of my Warden PC and her boyfriend, Alistair. That's all. I don't care about Morrigan the character, or the OGB beyond that. I never have. I have no interest it that as a plot device whatsoever, and I wouldn't care if she never appeared in another game again. I don't dislike these elements, it just has no interest for me. I am SO over the whole OGB thing.

 

For the second, I found Leliana to be far more interesting in DAI where she was older, more experienced, and a bit harder than I do in DAI. I haven't had much of an interest in any of the female LI in any of the DAI games. So no, I would not fall in love with Leliana in DAO.

[leliana's fan]

I ask what do you do in the real life, not in the game, if you were in this situation. 99% don't want to die.

100% people can't wait 10 years a person to became more mature. (Themselfes are not mature an 20)

[JJ Likeaprayer]

What's GW?.....Grey Warden?

 

Well,it doesn't hurt to have a child with Morrigan. If I was the Warden yes I want to live on and continue to do good works from then on (as the Warden did in Awakening Expansion Pack),and the child would bring something loving and caring out of Morrigan as well.  I was so happy to see the child was a handsome young man in DAI... BUT! I will never do it the traditional way,I think I'll just do it the sperm bank way!

 

I don't really understand the second question  ... I personally only see Leliana as a really good friend.

Modifié par JJ Yaug, 15 janvier 2016 - 03:02 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

1. Well, I'm a woman, so my choice wouldn't be 'make a baby with Morrigan or die' it would be 'convince Alistair/Loghain to make a baby with Morrigan or die'. To be honest, I have no idea what I would do in that awkward position. I'd be pretty uncomfortable talking anyone into having sex with someone they disliked as much as Alistair dislikes Morrigan, that's for sure. (Also, you left out the other option: let Alistair or Loghain do the sacrifice.)

 

2. I am a heterosexual woman and have never been in love with anyone, so the balance of probabilities seems to suggest that I would never fall in love with Leliana.

[nightscrawl]

1 I have no idea. I'd really have to be in the situation.

 

2 No, I would not fall in love with Leliana.

[Krypplingz]

1. I would probably not do the ritual, because realistically if I even survived the joining I'd fall to the first darkspawn we encountered. If by some divine intervention/ freakish miracle I survived to meet and bring down the Archdemon, I would probably choose the sacrifice since I do not fancy living old enough to become a ghoul and dying for something greater sounds a bit better than a dagger across the throat. 

2. I would not fall for Leliana since I'm not interested in romantic relationships in real life and I would prefer her as a friend if we got along at all. 

[sandalisthemaker]

What a bizarre topic.  You mean if this was actually real?

 

1.  Although I theoretically would be able to produce a child with Morrigan, I would be highly reluctant to do so. I imagine the night before the big battle with the Archdemon would consist of Alistair and myself arguing back and forth over why the other one should sleep with Morrigan (lol) until I would finally relent during the wee hours of the morning because when it comes down to it, Alistair hates her, and I don't.  I imagine that actually performing the ritual would be extremely awkward and uncomfortable.   And this is all assuming that I  put my faith in Morrigan's ritual actually working, since I have no way of knowing that it will. 

 

2. No. I would never fall in love with Leliana.  It's obvious by your user name that you really have a thing for her, but many people would never and could never fall in love with any female, not just Leliana. 

[nightscrawl]

^ Her actual dialogue in the game, as well as the scene itself, strongly suggest that she uses blood magic to show him a good time. That is, manipulating his thoughts so he's not mentally having sex with someone he despises. So, that might work even if the Warden were gay, or in love with someone else, or possibly even asexual. Who knows, really.

[Abyss108]

OK, in real life -

 

1 - Wouldn't kill myself. Wouldn't be in this situation in the first place though, I would have abandoned the Wardens as soon as they all got killed. It would be up to Alistair whether he was willing to kill himself or have the baby.

 

2 - I'm straight, so no, I wouldn't romance Leiliana. Even if I was bi/gay, I hate her, so still no. She's creepy, crazy, and also said some really nasty things to my Elf characters. 

[sandalisthemaker]

^ Her actual dialogue in the game, as well as the scene itself, strongly suggest that she uses blood magic to show him a good time. That is, manipulating his thoughts so he's not mentally having sex with someone he despises. So, that might work even if the Warden were gay, or in love with someone else, or possibly even asexual. Who knows, really.

 

That only makes me feel worse about the whole thing .  *Shivers*

[Asdrubael Vect]

Please answer honestly, even if not in topic. If you were in GW situation (young around 20 years)
1. Why would you choose: to die heroically or make a child with Morrigan and live to enjoy fame and honors ?
2. In terms of the game (1 year to live in camps), your fall in love with Leliana or not, as it appears in DAO?

1)My canon GW was male elven mage, arcane warrior blood mage.

 

And he use avernus potion and support his blood magic research for the sake of grey wardens and world, have full support for Blehen, legion of dead and save branka to have golems for grey wardens, suppoted Zathrian and kill all werewolfs, and save circle mages, as kill Orlesian Isolde to double save ferelden and Connor and drink dragon blood(and after kill dragon and all cultists but keep does not have this option what was in game) as defile some Chantry relic so they will not get anything, and release alianage elves but let all Tevinters go home, as killed all antivan crows what we could find in ferelden after do all their quests to kill Logain peoples

 

and do many things and kinda was young, powerfull and heroic to die for some really really stupid reason(and we kinda not have any real) what was not make sense, so he is use alister to be a good grey warden puppet king(and i do not let him meet "family") and he use morrigan to have a child and after ended the blight by killing archdeamon and later saving amaranthine and warden fortress as have a deal with architect.

 

later find her ang go to elven portal with her so my elf hero achived and now know many things....and for now my elven hero soon discover that morrigan will be a new Mythal(and my elf warden were kinda beat her ass, but i am think she is not angry)

 

If he was die what was the point to do so many hero things, my hero was not really care about humans their nobles and chantry with templars, so no way and i do not wanted to die for them and i do not fight for them but for nonhumans, greywardens and mages and i was do as much as i can to make my hero live as powerfull, rich and baddas as he could be and now after DAI i kinda want to know if he will become as ancient elves after Solas will do things as they were back at the begginning of the world

 

2)hell no, i do not understand why would i ever(if i even was have a human hero) after we know about her in DAO(not talking about other info), she even worst that Isabella and Zevran and was lie and sleep with so many peoples and kill them(she was even seduce, sleep and kill peoples) as orlesian bard so she is discusting especially when she was talking about faith...it is discusting as sister Petrice from DA2 and some Chantry priestes from DAI for who Lelianna slit a throat

 

I specially killed Lelianna in the urn, she was deserve that and what was in DAI, hope i would never see her ghost again or if i would i would kill her again as others like her

[Undead Han]

1. Spend the night with a beautiful, intelligent woman and survive, or don't and die? Not really a tough choice.  

I think that choice is only tough if 1) women and/or Morrigan aren't your thing, or 2) you're female and involved with Alistair.

 

2. Don't know. Does anyone really ever choose to be in love? It just sort of happens, or doesn't, from my experience. 

[vertigomez]

1.) Biology says I can't make babies with ladies, so... no.

2.) Leliana is not my type, so... no.

[leliana's fan]

Here's my point:
1) Obviously I would prefer one child over death. And in real life I raised two children with my wife (voluntarily, not forced as in the game) and we managed to enjoy the beautiful moments and to overcome all the difficult moments. Life is a gift unique and deserves to be appreciated.,

2) Considers that an young up to 20 years (as our hero), not very experienced in romantic relationships (maybe except for the Dwarves) and lives almost isolated 1 year, with the prospect of death, would seek to enjoy every free moment. Every day with a beautiful woman, educated, and talented, master of seduction as Leliana would not have the means to resist.

Leliana had many sins, but purified by two years of silence on the Chantry. As a partner was completely dedicated and faithful to GW all the time.
In DAI, if GW is alive Leliana says she always has GW in mind and wait him/her to return for almost two years. If GW is dead, she remains faithful to his memory and not looking for a replacement. I do not know if many people in real life would be able to behave in this way.
In addition, Leliana is a character in a different historical time (medieval equivalent) when the rules of life were different from those of today.

[Undead Han]

 

2) Considers that an young up to 20 years (as our hero), not very experienced in romantic relationships (maybe except for the Dwarves) and lives almost isolated 1 year, with the prospect of death, would seek to enjoy every free moment. Every day with a beautiful woman, educated, and talented, master of seduction as Leliana would not have the means to resist.

 

The bolded isn't necessarily true for any origin actually. There is dialogue with Alistair when he mentions his lack of experience where the Warden can boast of having had many partners. The human noble Origin story can also end with Cousland seducing either an elven handmaiden, or some visiting knight. 

[nightscrawl]

Here's my point:
1) Obviously I would prefer one child over death. And in real life I raised two children with my wife (voluntarily, not forced as in the game) and we managed to enjoy the beautiful moments and to overcome all the difficult moments. Life is a gift unique and deserves to be appreciated.,

2) Considers that an young up to 20 years (as our hero), not very experienced in romantic relationships (maybe except for the Dwarves) and lives almost isolated 1 year, with the prospect of death, would seek to enjoy every free moment. Every day with a beautiful woman, educated, and talented, master of seduction as Leliana would not have the means to resist.

Leliana had many sins, but purified by two years of silence on the Chantry. As a partner was completely dedicated and faithful to GW all the time.
In DAI, if GW is alive Leliana says she always has GW in mind and wait him/her to return for almost two years. If GW is dead, she remains faithful to his memory and not looking for a replacement. I do not know if many people in real life would be able to behave in this way.
In addition, Leliana is a character in a different historical time (medieval equivalent) when the rules of life were different from those of today.

 

Not everyone is into Leliana in a sexual or romantic way. You just have to accept that. You are not going to convince people to be interested in her that way no matter how hard you try, or whatever words you write. And you're completely disregarding straight women and gay men who will never want her that way regardless.

 

As for your first point, some people may feel that the sacrifice is worthwhile, and that a creepy ritual performed by someone you might not even trust is not worth the risk. Again, not everyone sees it the same way and you will not be able to convince those people.

[vertigomez]

Here's my point:
1) Obviously I would prefer one child over death. And in real life I raised two children with my wife (voluntarily, not forced as in the game) and we managed to enjoy the beautiful moments and to overcome all the difficult moments. Life is a gift unique and deserves to be appreciated.,
2) Considers that an young up to 20 years (as our hero), not very experienced in romantic relationships (maybe except for the Dwarves) and lives almost isolated 1 year, with the prospect of death, would seek to enjoy every free moment. Every day with a beautiful woman, educated, and talented, master of seduction as Leliana would not have the means to resist.
Leliana had many sins, but purified by two years of silence on the Chantry. As a partner was completely dedicated and faithful to GW all the time.
In DAI, if GW is alive Leliana says she always has GW in mind and wait him/her to return for almost two years. If GW is dead, she remains faithful to his memory and not looking for a replacement. I do not know if many people in real life would be able to behave in this way.
In addition, Leliana is a character in a different historical time (medieval equivalent) when the rules of life were different from those of today.

I... still don't get your point. Beautiful and talented though Leliana may be, she's not everybody's cup of tea. And children may be precious and all, but this one comes attached with the soul of an old god and his mother tells you you can't be part of his life. Both of these things should give a guy pause. We know from meta knowledge that you can track Morrigan down... but the Warden can't be sure of that when they seal the deal.

[leliana's fan]

I do not want to convince anyone of anything. But I felt I needed to answer myself.
 

[leliana's fan]

 We know from meta knowledge that you can track Morrigan down... but the Warden can't be sure of that when they seal the deal.

That's a good point. Still I think is better to live

[Andraste_Reborn]

Not everyone is into Leliana in a sexual or romantic way. You just have to accept that. You are not going to convince people to be interested in her that way no matter how hard you try, or whatever words you write. And you're completely disregarding straight women and gay men who will never want her that way regardless.

 

Not to mention people who aren't romantically interested in anybody at all.

 

I do not want to convince anyone of anything. But I felt I needed to answer myself.

 

I don't think anybody doubts that it's plausible for some Wardens to fall in love with Leliana and decide to do the ritual with Morrigan. One of my Wardens did both of those things, and various others did one or the other.

[leliana's fan]

Leliana says "Everyone can be seduced by the right woman. The trick is predicting who she is, and becoming her. Master the game, and no one can resist you".

I think that is true in real life, with all my respect for all men and women. No one is imune. The luck is one can very hard find a master of this game interesed to seduce.

[vertigomez]

Yeeaah no.

A gay guy or a straight woman isn't going to be seduced by a woman. Because she's a woman. It has nothing to do with how charming or worldly or pretty she is.

[leliana's fan]

Yeeaah no.

A gay guy or a straight woman isn't going to be seduced by a woman. Because she's a woman. It has nothing to do with how charming or worldly or pretty she is.

That seems right, but no one can be 100% sure of anything. The world is full of mysteries. 

You know: never say never

[vertigomez]

That seems right, but no one can be 100% sure of anything. The world is full of mysteries. 
You know: never say never

I dunno. If someone asked me to screw a cheese-filled piñata whilst eating Mongolian boodog and dancing the Mamushka, I would have to say... never.