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[Abyss108]

No.

 

You can not "fix" someone's sexuality by finding the "right" women.

[nightscrawl]

Leliana says "Everyone can be seduced by the right woman. The trick is predicting who she is, and becoming her. Master the game, and no one can resist you".
I think that is true in real life, with all my respect for all men and women. No one is imune. The luck is one can very hard find a master of this game interesed to seduce.

You are starting to become offensive with this kind of talk. No, not everyone can be seduced by the right woman. I get that you think she's the bees knees, but not everyone does. Get over it.

[GoldenGail3]

Please answer honestly, even if not in topic. If you were in GW situation (young around 20 years)
1. Why would you choose: to die heroically or make a child with Morrigan and live to enjoy fame and honors ?
2. In terms of the game (1 year to live in camps), your fall in love with Leliana or not, as it appears in DAO?

1. The later option (if I were a guy of course. I'm female so nope....)

2, Nope, I'm a straight female and Leliana would ****** me off.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To be fair, seduced can mean more than just sex. For example a company can seduce an employee from another company to join them by offering better salary, insurance, vacation, etc. 

 

But yeah, when it comes to being seduced sexually there are definitely people immune to that. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

Woooooooooooow, I tried to come up with something witty to say but I'm speechless. leliana's fan ... *shakes head* cool it. 

[GoldenGail3]

Woooooooooooow, I tried to come up with something witty to say but I'm speechless. leliana's fan ... *shakes head* cool it.

I have those rare moments too. I love witty commentary, it's what I live for.

[Artona]

1. Well, probably, because I'm not one of those people who accept that one day they will day, and I'd certanly having sex with Morrigan isn't something I wouldn't do to make my chances of survival higher. 

2. No, because our views on religious matters are too different. 

[leliana's fan]

To be fair, seduced can mean more than just sex. For example a company can seduce an employee from another company to join them by offering better salary, insurance, vacation, etc. 

 

 

That's my point. Everyone can be seduced, I never mention sex. And yes, there are 10 types of love, only one with sex

[ashwind]

1. I dont trust Morrigan. No deal.

 

2. The blight and the constant threat of death can have effects on people - would mind a little joy ride but to fall in love with her.... ps: Fanatics turns me off so no.

[nightscrawl]

That's my point. Everyone can be seduced, I never mention sex. And yes, there are 10 types of love, only one with sex

 

OK fine. No sex. Not everyone will fall in love with Leliana.

[MerAnne]

1.  I'm female so without medical/scientific intervention (in vitro fertilization), it is impossible for me to complete the ritual with Morrigan

 

2.  No.   I also agree that fanatics are a turn off.

[leliana's fan]

Keep in mind that the action were in a different historical time (medieval equivalent). In that time peoples don't think like us. Most of them seems fanatics in our time but OK in their time. A good character in a story (book, movie, game) must be a character of his time.

[Abyss108]

That's my point. Everyone can be seduced, I never mention sex. And yes, there are 10 types of love, only one with sex

 

Sure, everyone can be seduced if you use a different meaning of the word, but we are specifically talking about romantic love here. Not gonna happen for any of the numerous straight female, or gay male players. Nor for the people who just aren't interested in such a thing.

[MerAnne]

Keep in mind that the action were in a different historical time (medieval equivalent). In that time peoples don't think like us. Most of them seems fanatics in our time but OK in their time. A good character in a story (book, movie, game) must be a character of his time.

Yes, I'm sure that the victims of any "holy war" in history and the Spanish Inquisition can verify that fanatics are a charming group of people and those of us who don't like fanatics are being unreasonable.

[leliana's fan]

I don't say fanatics are a charming group. They aren't. I hate the real inquisition ( even in my contry there was not such thing) and for this reason I don't like the name DAI.

I know and like Leliana from DAO. In this game no one suffer for her belifs. I think Leliana is wrong in DAI. Leliana from DAI is not Leliana I like. I like Leliana as divine.  She work agaist all the prejudices of her time. For that she is not a fanatic

[Artona]

 

 

Keep in mind that the action were in a different historical time (medieval equivalent). In that time peoples don't think like us. Most of them seems fanatics in our time but OK in their time. A good character in a story (book, movie, game) must be a character of his time.

I think there is no point in comparing amazingly tolerant and incredibly progressive in matters of gender equality Thedas to medieval. People in Thedas seem to think and behave like modern people, not medieval folk. 
 

[leliana's fan]

I think there is no point in comparing amazingly tolerant and incredibly progressive in matters of gender equality Thedas to medieval. People in Thedas seem to think and behave like modern people, not medieval folk. 
 

Only 50% true. Not so tolerant with the elves. Gender equality only in Ferelden, not in Orlais.

In Thedas racism agaist elves in a fact. In our time is a delict. I am against racism.

In Thedas killing peoples in street is genuine. In our time is delict.

In Thedas peoples in needs ask help only from the Chantry (save GW). In our time there are foundations, organisations, etc.

[Artona]

Fair point about gender equality; however, racism actually proves my point. Medieval societes did not know the term of "race" or "nation" as we do; indetity was built around family or clan (that's the source of dynasties in every place and age), but mostly it revolved around religion. Holy wars, crusades, etc. weren't taken against "different nations", by rather "heathen" or "heretics". Fact, that fereldenian (?) nobility, or at least part of it prefers peasant Loghain than Orlesian noble proves that Ferelden is astonishingly progressive, as it was able to create "nation". So it's really incomparable with medieval societes.
Also, I don't believe that racism is "delict", but it's I'd rather not start that discussion.
Somethins slightly similar to medieval conflicts would be templars vs mages thing - yet that's still something totally different. 
As for killing people in the street - I always've thought about it as gameplay element, not story, the same way level and hitpoints do not exist within Thedas. Doing otherwise would make almost every crpg protagonist not only mass murderer, but also completely unbelievable - you can't kill two hundreds peole, three dragons and fifty wraith and be normal guy afterwards. 
As for people in need - other thing that is very modern in Thedas and absolutely not-medieval is individualism. Actually in middle ages everyone (beside some outcasts, for course) had place in society and existed in some kind of structure: merchants guild, village, parish, etc. Man, if he wasn't hermit, never was alone. I do not recall anything like that in Origins nor in DA2. 

Sorry for OT. 

[Lord Surinen]

1. Morrigan, straight, quite decent looking, but a harlot. I would rather not hear from a peasant how he humped me wench. I choose death

2. Leliana, not straight(deal breaker), with atrocious, promiscuous past. Acceptable physical attractiveness for a rat face. Her redeeming quality is zeal. I would not fall in love with her.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Only 50% true. Not so tolerant with the elves. Gender equality only in Ferelden, not in Orlais.

*looks at all the women in high positions in the Orlesian political, economic, and military spheres* 

You're wrong about Orlais being sexist. 

 

In Thedas racism agaist elves in a fact. In our time is a delict. I am against racism.

In our time, racism isn't derelict. It is still a big problem. 

 

In Thedas killing peoples in street is genuine. In our time is delict.

Also not derelict. People get murdered on the streets every day. 

[daveliam]

1.) Biology says I can't make babies with ladies, so... no.

2.) Leliana is not my type, so... no.

 

Wait, gomez, I'm confused by number one.  But I guess it's dancing on the line of being too personal to ask......

 

My answers:

 

1.)  Honestly, even though I'm not into ladies, I could very easily see myself agreeing to the ritual if I were in that situation.  Although, that would also mean that I live in a world with magic, so I'm not sure how that would influence my thinking on it.

 

2.)  Nope.  No interest in her and definitely would never fall for her in any situation.

[Seracen]

Real life, would do the Dark Rit, would romance Leliana.  Looking back on it, Morrigan really grew as a character in DAI, so the relationship would probably be as well as could be expected.  But in Origins, Leliana is the more sympathetic lover.  Depending on how Leliana felt about it, I'd rather have the child be mine, as Grey Wardens can't normally have them any other way.  It'd be a nice way to circumvent the rules.  I'd also make sure I helped raise the kid for a while, even if I ultimately had to send him back to Morrigan.

 

Honestly, Leliana strikes me as the kind of woman who would understand in that situation, especially as she was shocked to learn the truth about the Grey Wardens.  Case in point, in DAI, she actually realizes how beneficial the Dark Ritual ended up being.  Of course, my Human Noble Warden being who he was, he would likely reclaim Highever and make sure Morrigan and the child had a home to return to, (basically a nicer version of what Alistair went through).  My Elven Alienage Warden would stare at Alistair, guilt him into the Dark Ritual, and maybe glare menacingly the entire night, haha!

[Treacherous J Slither]

1. I'd have the baby with Morrigan. It's better than the alternative.

2. Leliana is terribly annoying with all her talk of her imaginary friends. Constantly throwing that foolishness in my face. I don't dig religious types.

[Ghost Gal]

1) I can't do the ritual with Morrigan since I'm a woman, so I'd have to ask Alistair to do it. 

 

2) No. She doesn't appeal to me at all.

[MaxQuartiroli]

1 - I would do anything to survive... so I'd go with Morrigan all the way

 

2 - Bisexual redhead whit great skills at: art, seduction and killing? 100% yes!