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[Teabaggin Krogan]

Hello there, I'm a huge fan of the Dark souls series having put in a huge amount of time into them with the majority of it being into the pvp side of things. That being said I also quite like the Witcher series especially the Witcher 3 for its story and characters. I have also played a lot of Skyrim back when it came out. 

       Now the thing is, I haven't played any of the dragon age games before so I'd to get some feedback on the game. How does it compare to the Souls or the Witcher games as a benchmark?  Do I have to play any of the prequels to better understand it? Is the multiplayer any good? I have played a lot of the ME3 multiplayer which I hear it is familiar to but I'm also hearing some negative remarks unlike the Mp for ME3 which was fantastic. Any suggestions are welcome.

[thats1evildude]

Oof, this is gonna get ugly.

There are three significant differences:

1) Dragon Age is a party-based combat game. You can solo the game, but that's generally for diehards; most people play these games for the interaction with party members.
2) It is considerably lighter in tone than The Witcher and Dark Souls, both overwhelmingly bleak games.
3) Unlike The Witcher, you can select a race and gender for your main character. And unlike Dark Souls, your PC speaks.

You will certainly have a greater appreciation for what's going on if you play the first two games, but it isn't an absolute requirement. In general, the devs create each new DA game to be newbie-friendly; every game features its own hero and main villain.

[Meredydd]

The Witcher and Dark Souls games are primarily dark fantasy games. Dragon Age: Origins contains a lot of dark fantasy elements, but DA:2 and Inquisition sorely lack the horror and dark elements of the other games. If you're really into the dark fantasy genre then Inquisition might be a little too bright for your taste, especially when compered to Dark Souls. Not that I'm saying that Dragon Age lacks dark undertones or horrific imagery, its just rare and has been scaled down a lot since Origins.

 

In terms of difficulty, Dragon Age is much easier than The Witcher and Dark Souls. You'll have to play it on hard mode if you what some challenge. Easy and normal in Inquisition are way to easy in my opinion. Origins is a bit more difficult and you have to strategise if you want to come out of a fight alive (a bit more Dark Souls-ish). 

 

In terms of story and characters...Inquisition is a mixed bag. The story begins very well but the climax happens very early on so the rest of the story just kinda drags on. The ending is also a bit lack-luster. The characters are meh. Some you will like, some you will hate. Dragon Age 2's story is short but sweet and the characters are not bad (although some of them can be rather annoying). Dragon Age: Origins's story is very basic but it's more about the journey than the destination (and what a glorious ending it was!). The characters are what really makes Origins flow. They are so well written that it is hard to hate any of them, to the point where you even sympathise with one of the main villains of the story.

 

Lastly, I would also recommend your try out the two previous DA games before playing Inquisition. It's not necessarily but as said above:

 

You will certainly have a greater appreciation for what's going on if you play the first two games, but it isn't an absolute requirement. In general, the devs create each new DA game to be newbie-friendly; every game features its own hero and main villain.

[Aren]

1) Dragon Age is a party-based combat game. You can solo the game, but that's generally for diehards;

 witcher game especially wild hunt is at least to me better than the 3 DA games.

[Nefla]

I've never been into Dark Souls (I like my games with a strong story, characters, etc...) but I found TW3 fantastic. If you're looking for something on-par with TW3 in DA:I you're likely not going to find it. I don't know what you look for in a game but I found the story, characters, music, side quests, and world to be better in TW3. DA:I does have a greater number of landscape types than TW3 and some people find that important. Origins is my favorite out of the three for the story, characters, world, and so on. If you've played Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas it's a similar style to those(but with fleshed out companions and a much better main story IMO) where the protagonist isn't voiced and you pick dialogue from a list. I wouldn't recommend DA2 unless you're a diehard fan. The game has good characters but the story is all over the place and the game world is tiny and undetailed with excessively reused maps that you will visit over and over. I don't like the style of combat in any of the DA cames as I prefer reflex/timing based combat like in ME3, Fallout 4, and so on.

 

All that being said, it doesn't hurt to give it a try, especially if you're bored and looking for something new. You may end up really loving it.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

I've never been into Dark Souls (I like my games with a strong story, characters, etc...) but I found TW3 fantastic...

Oh but the story in Dark Souls is very deep and detailed. In fact compared to the level of storytelling in the Souls games or bloodborne, TW3 has a story that is made to look almost child like in its depth. It's just that the story telling in the souls games isn't very direct or straightforward. The characters in the souls series may not speak as much as in other Rpgs but they have a haunting feel to them that is rarely seem in other games. The Witcher 3 is a fantastic game as well in its own way and is definitely one of my all time favourites especially because of Geralt and Ciri. 

                                                        The point though, is that I don't mind if DA isn't anything like these games as long as its fun and engaging. Hell Skyrim was very easy and had a very generic story line but it sure was fun even without the mods! But I did want to get the opinion of someone who's played the game since I've been hearing mixed reviews about the game and didn't know where to start. Thanks for the info guys, although perhaps I should have posted the question in the spoiler section of the board since there seems to be more people there.

[hoechlbear]

The point though, is that I don't mind if DA isn't anything like these games as long as its fun and engaging. Hell Skyrim was very easy and had a very generic story line but it sure was fun even without the mods! But I did want to get the opinion of someone who's played the game since I've been hearing mixed reviews about the game and didn't know where to start.

 

Well, that's the thing. You will always get mixed opinions and you'll never know if you'll like the game unless you try it yourself. There was a lot more negative feedback here on the forums when the game came out. I think some fans changed their minds about it after the last DLC was released, while the others kind of drifted off and moved on to other games (at least until DA4 comes out).

 

In my personal opinion, Inquisition was a big disappointment. Origins is still my favorite and I really think you should start there. Not only because it's a great game and you shouldn't skip it but also because you'll understand the world and the characters a lot more if you start from the beginning. DA2 was a rushed game so it has a lot of negatives, but the story and characters are still enjoyable, at least to me. Inquisition is a completely different game and not in a good way. I won't go into details but I struggled big time to finish my first playthrough. Everything in that game was either "meh" (story, characters) or just painfully boring (fetch quests, combat) and lifeless (the big, empty, static maps) and this is coming from a huge DA fan that has replayed the first two games many many times. But I do recommend that you play Origins, it's still a favorite of many fans, even of some of those who enjoyed Inquisition.

[sjsharp2011]

I agree with what's been said above it's probably best you start with DAO and work your way through each of the games in order as not only will you learn more about the world of Dragon Age but will also develop a history/world state that you can put into the Dragon Age Keep as you go to import into Inquisition. Personally Inquisitoin is my favourite of the 3. But all 3 have both good and bad points. It took me a long time to get to grips with DAO in fact it was only this time last year when I finally cracked it and completed the first game for the first time mostly as I had trouble understanding the games mechanics as they are quite complicated. Ended up having to buy a strategy guide to figure it out.. But since I've mastered them I've thoroughly enjoyed playing the games. They're definitely in my opinion games worth sinking time into. But as has been said different people have different opinions

[duckley]

DA:I and TW3 are similar rpgs IMO and if you like one, you will like the other, although may prefer one over the other....

 

I hear that Dark Souls/Bloodbourne are very difficult to play in terms of combat (the only reason I don't play them )

 

If that's the case, I don't know how satisfying you will find DA:I in terms of combat

[Arshei]

Let me put it like that, the only thing Dragon age does better than Witcher is the fact that you aren't forced to play an ugly old gigolo. Here you can be whatever you can be, gay, mage, elf, lesbian, but always ugly, you want to not be ugly?, not a problem, you can be tranny if you play a female human. They always looks like trannys.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

DA:I and TW3 are similar rpgs IMO and if you like one, you will like the other, although may prefer one over the other....

 

I hear that Dark Souls/Bloodbourne are very difficult to play in terms of combat (the only reason I don't play them )

 

If that's the case, I don't know how satisfying you will find DA:I in terms of combat

I just want the combat to be enjoyable and not be a mash fest. In my honest opinion Dark Souls/Bloodborne are only difficult if its your first time playing any of them and once you get the hang of it they are pretty straightforward and highly entertaining. You should try it yourself and decide if you wanna play it, it might be much easier than you thought! I also liked The Kingdoms of Amalur and Skyrim both of which were button mashers but still pretty fun to play, so it's not like I only enjoy hard games or anything.

 

 

 

Let me put it like that, the only thing Dragon age does better than Witcher is the fact that you aren't forced to play an ugly old gigolo. Here you can be whatever you can be, gay, mage, elf, lesbian, but always ugly, you want to not be ugly?, not a problem, you can be tranny if you play a female human. They always looks like trannys.

Well in TW3 you get to be Ciri as well so at least there's some respite!

[sjsharp2011]

DA:I and TW3 are similar rpgs IMO and if you like one, you will like the other, although may prefer one over the other....

 

I hear that Dark Souls/Bloodbourne are very difficult to play in terms of combat (the only reason I don't play them )

 

If that's the case, I don't know how satisfying you will find DA:I in terms of combat

Yeah I agree the combat is quite similar between the Witcher and DA the only diffreence being is with the Witcher you'er on your own most of the time. Whereas with DA you have a squad with you and it's more about working your way through each problem you face as a team. Which for me is the main reason why I think I prefer it over the others. I do have the Witcher games too but haven't had a proper chance to have a good go at them yet.

 

 

I just want the combat to be enjoyable and not be a mash fest. In my honest opinion Dark Souls/Bloodborne are only difficult if its your first time playing any of them and once you get the hang of it they are pretty straightforward and highly entertaining. You should try it yourself and decide if you wanna play it, it might be much easier than you thought! I also liked The Kingdoms of Amalur and Skyrim both of which were button mashers but still pretty fun to play, so it's not like I only enjoy hard games or anything.

 

 

 

Well in TW3 you get to be Ciri as well so at least there's some respite!

Well fortunately DA is not like that although you do have to control your character more in DAI  compared with the first 2 games because it requires a more manual input. The first 2 are more tactical  It's more to do with what enemies you think you need to take on and when.

[duckley]

I just want the combat to be enjoyable and not be a mash fest. In my honest opinion Dark Souls/Bloodborne are only difficult if its your first time playing any of them and once you get the hang of it they are pretty straightforward and highly entertaining. You should try it yourself and decide if you wanna play it, it might be much easier than you thought! I also liked The Kingdoms of Amalur and Skyrim both of which were button mashers but still pretty fun to play, so it's not like I only enjoy hard games or anything.

 

 

 

Well in TW3 you get to be Ciri as well so at least there's some respite!

I enjoyed Kingdoms as well and Skyrim was OK.

As for trying Dark Souls - I will give it a try.

[Awkward Octopus]

You're going to get a lot of mixed opinions on this game, and it doesn't help that the forum is super quiet right now. Best you can do is look at that variety of opinions, see if you can find the common elements. Ultimately, all you can really do is play it yourself.

 

As for me, I really enjoyed DA:I a lot, it's my favorite in the series. I agree with what others have said: it's not necessary to play the previous games in the series, but it does help. Part of the strength of the series is the lore, and you pick up different aspects of the lore in different doses throughout each game. In some places, significant parts of DA:I's story (and some of the characters) are begun in the previous games (I won't say any spoilers, though). One way to think about this series, though I'm not sure anyone else will agree with me, is that rather than thinking of the story as being about the plot, or about the characters, it's more about the setting. Each game starts you as a different character, and the story tends towards a fish-out-of-water tale where you move from obscurity to being super important in some way or another.

 

If you're actually interested in some general notes on each game in the series, feel free to read the following wall of text (I tried to be fairly objective, but feel free to take anything I say with a grain of salt):

 

Spoiler

 

Origins: The graphics of the first game are feeling pretty dated now (if that matters to you). Many feel the gameplay of this one is the strongest - it certainly has the ability to be more tactical and methodical. Very classic RPG style. Your protagonist is very blank slate, allowing you to headcanon or project whatever you like at the expense of no voice acting and could be seen as pretty bland, depending on your personal tastes. That said, no voice acting means they can give you a bigger variety of choices for responses in conversation.

 

DA2: The second game is pretty button-mashy in comparison, having dived straight into action RPG territory and pretty much abandoning any tactics, if I recall correctly. The development cycle on this game was very short, like a year, and it shows. The area you explore is quite small and you repeat those areas often. That said, what's there is very pretty. Also in a complete reversal is the protagonist, who now has a voice, a set backstory (you must play as a human this time, but your gender, sexuality, personality and class can still be chosen). The set protagonist is interesting because it allows for much more solid storytelling, at the expense of having much choice in the telling of it. Once you're set in one of three personality types (the game figures it out based on responses you choose), your character will act that way during cutscenes. Sometimes to great affect, sometimes feeling a bit too far out of your hands. Others are saying the story isn't as dark as the first game, but I actually found it darker? Maybe I'm not remembering parts of the first game. Or maybe it depends on how you play it.

 

DA:I is an attempt to find a balance between these two, and opinions vary quite a lot on how successful it is. You can now choose your race once again (something they were able to add in during the last year of production). You also have a voice, again (you get to choose between an American or English accent, each with a different voice actor). The voice acting is mostly kept fairly neutral, trying to find a balance between having a personality and letting you decide on your own. Wide variety of body types between the different races means the armor looks were kept fairly limited, though. Story is interesting in that a lot of the individual pieces are really good (the stories of your companions, many of the main quests), but I think the most exciting bits - especially regarding the villain - happen relatively early in the game as opposed to later, so the end feels a little flat in comparison. All the DLC is worth getting, though. Especially Trespasser, which works as an epilogue and will lead into DA4. Gameplay: It's still more action RPG than Origins, but the tactical system has returned. I didn't use it much, personally, so you'll have to hear from others whether it was any good - I hear part of that depends on whether you opt for controller or keyboard and mouse. I always play games at their default difficulty, but when I killed a dragon several levels above me without much trouble, I actually turned DA:I up to hard. If you like difficulty in games, start at least there. While not a true open world game like Skyrim, it does have huge environments to explore. I really liked them, others found them superficial and void of meaningful things to do. There's a lot of pretty much optional collectibles. If you don't like that kind of thing, you don't need to do them (and you shouldn't bother trying to clear out a whole area before moving to the next - the game encourages moving around). The art design, especially of environments, are gorgeous, so if you like exploration, at the very least there's lots of pretty to look at (I miss the look of the Qunari from DA2, but I think that's an unfortunate side effect of the move to a new engine).

 

 

That's my 2 cents. I think you should give the series a chance, but don't go in expecting/wanting another TW3, Skyrim, or Dark Souls. Dragon Age is its own thing.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

You're going to get a lot of mixed opinions on this game, and it doesn't help that the forum is super quiet right now. Best you can do is look at that variety of opinions, see if you can find the common elements. Ultimately, all you can really do is play it yourself.........

 

 

Thank you, that was very well explained and answered a lot of questions. Especially the differences you mentioned between the three games. I don't mind the lack of voice acting or out dated graphics, so I'll probably go with DA:O then. I'm actually waiting for the release of dark souls 3 on April so I should probably be able to finish it by then. 

 

 

I enjoyed Kingdoms as well and Skyrim was OK.

As for trying Dark Souls - I will give it a try.

Cool, I'd just like to mention that the game is kinda non linear so if you find the mobs at a particular place very hard to deal with, move to some other location where the enemies might be easier. Praise the sun \o/

 

Also thanks to everyone else for all the info and tips.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Dark Souls and The Witcher are both action games where you manually control every attack.

While you can play like that in DA2 and Inquisition, it's optional, and DAO features no action combat at all.

DAO's is my favourite combat of the series, but for someone used to Dark Souls it could be painfully slow.

[sjsharp2011]

Dark Souls and The Witcher are both action games where you manually control every attack.

While you can play like that in DA2 and Inquisition, it's optional, and DAO features no action combat at all.

DAO's is my favourite combat of the series, but for someone used to Dark Souls it could be painfully slow.

Yeah I agree DAO's is slower compared with the other games 

[SofaJockey]

Some people were disappointed by DAI, though it still amassed the consensus of being the best game of 2014 (in a weaker game year).

The Witcher 3 raised the bar for this type of game, particularly in side content, but there is still much to like about DAI, particularly in the characters.

 

There are few enough fantasy/rpg games, so if you like those, DAI is surely an easy choice and the price is now good.

 

And however much some players were disappointed by some aspects of DAI,

just wait until DA4 comes out, at which point DAI will be re-evaluated as a masterpiece...

[BraveVesperia]

DAI and The Witcher have really different combat, so I don't think it's possible to compare well. DAI combat can be fun sometimes. The sidequests aren't as good in DAI, little-to-no ambient music during exploration, and no proper hub (like Novigrad in TW3). However, it does have lots of variety in environments, and different input from companions.

 

You have some great interactions with companions in DAI. They have input on quests, banter while exploring, personal quests etc. They're the best reason to buy it, imo. The story is interesting and enjoyable, but to get the full benefit, I'd recommend getting the GOTY editition for the dlc (especially Trespasser). I don't think you need to play the previous games, but it certainly helps with story impact and immersion. The tone is generally lighter, more heroic etc, rather than really grim like the WItcher series. I'd recommend trying it, but trying not to compare it too much to other games.

 

DAO's is my favourite combat of the series, but for someone used to Dark Souls it could be painfully slow.

Depending on what platform you're on, it can also be rather limited and unwieldy. On console, there was no form of tactical camera or even 'move-to-point' instruction for party members.

 

PC version also has more dialogue for some reason. I noticed when I played some of DAO on PC that some of the lines led to varied dialogue, whereas on console it skipped ahead to the shared reactions.

[Derrame]

in Dragon Age you can select race, gender, class, specialization, and it leads to a lot of combinations, in the witcher series, yo are a witcher, but geralt is a very complex character, and the world and other character you interact and meet are also very comple, there is almost no right and wrong, if you keep investigating, you will always encounter new and different choices, 

you can develop different abilities of geralt, depending on your play style, 

in dragon age is the fantasy a bit more colourful, i the witcher is like more mature, ther are controversial themes, like abortion, political corruption, racism (between humans and non humans) those themes are not in dragon age

 

in dragon age you ca be a mage , the witcher is a swordsman and he use some little magics as the "signs" only 5 spells,

the main weapns are two swords steel for humans, elves and dwarves and silver for monsters and magical creatures, he ca drink potions, to increase strenth, speed, see in darknes, etc

he can throw bombs, that's similar to dragon age

in dragon age there are more romance options, i the witcher there are more casual relationships, log term realtionships are limited to 1 or  2 as far as i know

 

in dragon age you control a group of 4 characters, doing all kind of missions all over the gae world, the help each other

in the witcher you are alone, for the witchers work alone,

 

in both games there are a lot of different dialog options, that lead to different outcomes

 

dragon age is all about the story, the plot, characters, choices, exploring, etc, 

i totally recommend you to try dragon age inquisition, i'ts  a wonderful game with a great story, characters and combat system  

[ioannisdenton]

While Tw3 is indeed one of the best games ever DaI has way better interactions. After all this is a bioware game!

[Sylvius the Mad]

PC version also has more dialogue for some reason. I noticed when I played some of DAO on PC that some of the lines led to varied dialogue, whereas on console it skipped ahead to the shared reactions.

DAO was developed as a PC exclusive for 5 years before EA made it cross-platform right at the end. Perhaps things beyond just the camera needed to get cut.

[Realmzmaster]

in dragon age is the fantasy a bit more colourful, i the witcher is like more mature, ther are controversial themes, like abortion, political corruption, racism (between humans and non humans) those themes are not in dragon age

 

I agree with most of your points except for this one. Dragon Age tackles racism. Elves are most definitely second class citizens and slaves (DAO and DA2 showed alienages. Merrill lived in one) along with any race that is not human. Surface dwarves are looked down upon by Orzammar dwarves.

Addiction (use of lyrium by the templars) is present in DA which is highlighted in DAI with Cullen. Corruption is there also with Seeker Lambert trying to maintain the status quo through any means possible. Rape was in the city elf story.

 

People from Orlais look down on people from Ferelden. Tevinter thinks it is superior to all other lands.

 

The mechanizations of the clerics of the Chantry is also seen in DAI as they vie for position. So DA does tackle controversial themes.

[archav3n]

I haven't started Dark Souls yet but i know what kind of game it's about. I played Lords of the Fallen too. It's different type of games. I also finished Witcher 3 too. Love both Witcher 3 and Dragon Age Inquisition.

[UniformGreyColor]

I agree with most of your points except for this one. Dragon Age tackles racism. Elves are most definitely second class citizens and slaves (DAO and DA2 showed alienages. Merrill lived in one) along with any race that is not human. Surface dwarves are looked down upon by Orzammar dwarves.

Addiction (use of lyrium by the templars) is present in DA which is highlighted in DAI with Cullen. Corruption is there also with Seeker Lambert trying to maintain the status quo through any means possible. Rape was in the city elf story.

 

People from Orlais look down on people from Ferelden. Tevinter thinks it is superior to all other lands.

 

The mechanizations of the clerics of the Chantry is also seen in DAI as they via for position. So DA does tackle controversial themes.

 

Yes, this and so much more. There is some real social-political stereotypical issues at work in thess games and it does add a lot to the richness of the game(s).

 

I will also add my hat into say that DA:I is much lighter in tone than DA:O. I did enjoy the darkness of DA:O -some parts bring a realistic darkness that I think the OP would enjoy. But what I like about DA:I is that it is so vibrant with realistic issues when viewed in a meta sense of what is actually going on, though the tone is ofc lighter (this mostly has to do with the ambiance of the visual representation and art style with some having to do with NPCs and characters paraverbal way of communicating), but when you think about what is actually happening, DA:I can be considered pretty dark in many ways. I mean for crying out loud, the whole premise of the game is that there is a rip in the veil where demons are coming out of!

 

What I like about DA:I is that even though you have a voiced protagonist, the RP elements are still pretty well in tact as long as you think of the dialog options as a direction of mood rather than expecting what is exactly said. 

 

If the OP is anything like I think he is, he will enjoy crafting and getting into that min-max stuff with stats.

 

Speaking of stats, there are 6 attributes. It is somewhat streamlined, but in a dynamic, simplistic kind of way where things just make so much sense. For example, with the attributes, each controls 2 stats which are ofc dependent on class ie. rogue, mage and warrior. There are 3 attributes that contributes to damage (damage bonus that is) pertained to their specific classes bonus damage as well as a different kind of damage for a particular instance in congruence with their classes focus of abilities ie. damage mitigation for warrior, damage mitigation for mage and bonus damage for critical hits for rogue. The other three attributes control damage bonus and magic resistance, health and melee resistance and critical chance and range resistance. These are stats that are controlled by passives you get from using an ability point to use on a passive or ability or ability upgrade and from crafting gear that has the... err gear icon for that piece of equipment that controls that particular choice of stat. Metal pertains mostly for warriors, cloth pertains mostly for mages and leather pertains mostly for rogues. There are quite a few stats you can play with, which for a person like myself is a dream come true.