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[ArcadiaGrey]

I read in a thread a few days ago that when making a game Bioware first develop the plot, then the characters, and only then decide who should be a romance option.  It made me wonder why they chose who they did. I personally think there's a great diversity in choices in DA:I and am very happy with the options, but then I started to think...who would have made the cut if I was in charge?

 

So, if you could switch 2 romances, cutting 2 out and nominating 2 others from the game, who would you pick?

 

Right from the start of DA2 I've wanted Varric so bad.  I'd also chose Scout Harding, not cause I'm hugely pro-dwarf but because she's super cute and clearly likes the Inquisitor.  I'd make her available to both sexes and I think she'd be a nice contrast to Cass for a straight guy,

 

So who would get the chop to make room for them?  (Purely personal choices here guys, don't flame me if I cut your favourites   )

 

The easiest choice for me would be Blackwall.  He just doesn't do anything for me personally so honestly I wouldn't miss him as a LI at all.

 

The second choice is harder but maybe Josie?  Haven't romanced her yet, and I'd like to, but I've read many times that her romance path doesn't have as much content and isn't as meaningful as others.  If she wasn't available I don't think it would even occur to me to make her so.

 

Over to you....

[vertigomez]

Now that the game's out? None. I mean, I would've had Cass and Cullen swing both ways (), but I wouldn't give anybody the boot.

Prior to the announcement I was 100% ready for LI Varric, but it wasn't in the cards.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I once declared that I would trade every other romance for a shot at Varric, and to be honest, I still kinda feel that way. And I second your other nomination, too, because I am hugely pro-dwarf and after a decade and a half of waiting for a bus, it would have been just fine with me if two came along at once.

 

As for who to cut - Josephine's romance was sweet, but rather slight, and I wouldn't have minded swapping her for Harding as the bisexual female love interest. Then I'd cut Cullen for Varric.

 

(I'm sure his romance is good and all, but Blackwall is my favourite of the DAI romances I've played so far, and the only other straight guy is Solas. While that romance didn't really float my personal boat, it does add to the story. Sorry, Cullen. I promise I'll get around to you some day.)

[ArcadiaGrey]

I once declared that I would trade every other romance for a shot at Varric, and to be honest, I still kinda feel that way. And I second your other nomination, too, because I am hugely pro-dwarf and after a decade and a half of waiting for a bus, it would have been just fine with me if two came along at once.

 

As for who to cut - Josephine's romance was sweet, but rather slight, and I wouldn't have minded swapping her for Harding as the bisexual female love interest. Then I'd cut Cullen for Varric.

 

(I'm sure his romance is good and all, but Blackwall is my favourite of the DAI romances I've played so far, and the only other straight guy is Solas. While that romance didn't really float my personal boat, it does add to the story. Sorry, Cullen. I promise I'll get around to you some day.)

 

I'm kinda stunned that 3 games on there still isn't a loveable dwarf.  Although there clearly IS A LOVEABLE DWARF BIOWARE.     *sigh* Maybe next time.

 

I'm really intrigued that Blackwall is your favourite so far, maybe I'll have to do it to understand him better.  There's a big queue tho Thom so...you'll have to wait a while. 

[LostInReverie19]

Varric and Harding are great choices. We've had a romance for every other race. It's time for the dwarves to get some love!

 

I'd cut Sera and Blackwall's romances probably. I just don't like Sera, and I wouldn't mind her having less content.  I haven't done Josie's romance yet, but apparently it's a lot shorter than other romances so meh. 

 

I can't see Varric as anything other than straight, but I could definitely see Harding as bi. They'd both totally be open to all races though, because they both seem super open-minded to me. 

[vertigomez]

I think Harding actually is bi. I mean, she can have a flirtationship with an Inquisitor of any sex and ask them out for a drink.

[PCThug]

All I'd do is switch Josephine and Scout Harding. I like Josephine, I liked her with my elf Inquisitor but overall the whole romance feels a bit flat and is a tad too cutesy for my taste.

[Witch Cocktor]

I wouldn't want to cut any romance tbh.

 

But if I had my way, I'd make Dorian non-romanceable and cut a significant portion from Bull's, making him just available for fun, not a deeper relationship. I'd like to give a lot more room for Dorian x Bull, making it more special and maybe more relevant to the story. This would only work if we'd finally get cutscenes without the player character present, though.

 

EDIT: I totally forgot about Solas. Remove Solas romance then! 

 

I'd also change Cullen to bi, Blackwall to gay, and would include Varric as straight and Harding as bi.

 

So the final roster would be

Male inq x Male: Iron Bull (bi, not thoroughly romanceable), Cullen (bi), Blackwall (gay)

Male inq x Female: Scout Harding (bi), Josie (bi), Cassandra (straight)

Female inq x Male: Iron Bull (bi, not thoroughly romanceable), Cullen (bi), Varric (straight)

Female inq x Female: Scout Harding (bi), Josie (bi), Sera (lesbian)

 

I would probably sack Blackwall, but I kinda do like him.. especially his looks, and I do feel sympathy for the lil guy.. and I think Josie's romance is cute as hell, I wouldn't want to sack it either just for it not having loads of content.

[LostInReverie19]

I think Harding actually is bi. I mean, she can have a flirtationship with an Inquisitor of any sex and ask them out for a drink.

 

Haha, I wouldn't know; I don't actually talk to her that much. I know, so bad. XD 

[vbibbi]

This will be controversial, but I would cut the Solas romance. And Iron Bull.

 

Solas, because I think his romance has created more issues for future games than is worth it. I've seen people post that they wanted the option to help their lover bring down the Veil, even though their Inquisitor would likely die as a result. Not the healthiest attitude. Plus, it can be interpreted to skew the opinion of "best" choice of Inquisitor as a female (mage) elf. If we're going to have multiple race options I don't want to feel that I ought to choose a specific background to get restricted content. (Here I'm referencing the reveal of vallaslin being slave markings, which only occurs in the Solas romance.) I would rather have had all Inquisitors have a friendship path which covered the information restricted in the romance. If his romance was added with the year delay because Bio thought he needed more empathy after his reveal, they should have just focused on his overall relationship to any character, not just to ones who romanced him.

 

For Iron Bull, it's more because I don't find him appealing at all and wouldn't miss his romance. PLUS it would be a nice subversion of the "depraved bisexual" trope which Bio sometimes flirts with, as the one guy in the entire series labeled as pansexual actually DOESN'T want to sleep with the PC. Someone can be bisexual/pansexual and yet not have an interest in the player proxy. And having a queer character in the main cast who is queer because that's their character rather than because they're a LI for queer PCs would be neat.

 

 

As to whom to replace them with, I'd go so far as to say rather than replace them, just beef up the content of the remaining LIs. Scout Harding is a good option, but I'm hopeful she will be a LI in DA4 so we can wait for more detailed content with her. I enjoy Varric, even if I felt he was superfluous in DAI, but actually liked his craptastic relationship with Bianca and thought it made a lot of sense given what we know about him.

 

 

Honestly, there just aren't that many other characters outside of the inner circle who could be potentially good LIs. That's one of the things I don't like about DAI, that outside of the actual Inquisition and one or two of the antagonists, there aren't really memorable or fleshed out characters. Sure, we could headcanon that one of the rebel mages in Redcliffe has a lot more depth to them, but that's all headcanon rather than supported in the game.

[vbibbi]

I wouldn't want to cut any romance tbh.

 

But if I had my way, I'd make Dorian non-romanceable and cut a significant portion from Bull's, making him just available for fun, not a deeper relationship. I'd like to give a lot more room for Dorian x Bull, making it more special and maybe more relevant to the story. This would only work if we'd finally get cutscenes without the player character present, though.

 

I'd also change Cullen to bi, Blackwall to gay, and would include Varric as straight and Harding as bi.

 

So the final roster would be

Male inq x Male: Iron Bull (bi, not thoroughly romanceable), Cullen (bi), Blackwall (gay)

Male inq x Female: Scout Harding (bi), Josie (bi), Cassandra (straight)

Female inq x Male: Iron Bull (bi, not thoroughly romanceable), Cullen (bi), Varric (straight)

Female inq x Female: Scout Harding (bi), Josie (bi), Sera (lesbian)

 

I would probably sack Blackwall, but I kinda do like him.. especially his looks, and I do feel sympathy for the lil guy.. and I think Josie's romance is cute as hell, I wouldn't want to sack it either just for it not having loads of content.

Ugh no don't give me Borewall!

[straykat]

Harding for Bull or Blackwall.

 

Err.. wait, you said two. I don't know. Make a new character. Tallis made a better Qunari member having a "crisis of faith". Put her in Or maybe female Tamassran. Something that isn't a comedy.

[Witch Cocktor]

Ugh no don't give me Borewall!

I'm not giving him to you as I'm clearly taking him for myself!

[vertigomez]

This is why it's best just to focus on LI opportunities in future games.

[vbibbi]

I'm not giving him to you as I'm clearly taking him for myself!

You can keep your Lay Warden

[Witch Cocktor]

You can keep your Lay Warden

Thank you, I will

[PCThug]

Solas, because I think his romance has created more issues for future games than is worth it. I've seen people post that they wanted the option to help their lover bring down the Veil, even though their Inquisitor would likely die as a result. Not the healthiest attitude. Plus, it can be interpreted to skew the opinion of "best" choice of Inquisitor as a female (mage) elf. If we're going to have multiple race options I don't want to feel that I ought to choose a specific background to get restricted content. (Here I'm referencing the reveal of vallaslin being slave markings, which only occurs in the Solas romance.) I would rather have had all Inquisitors have a friendship path which covered the information restricted in the romance. If his romance was added with the year delay because Bio thought he needed more empathy after his reveal, they should have just focused on his overall relationship to any character, not just to ones who romanced him.

I kind of agree with this. I know and fully accept that not all LI's will have the same weight in the main story. It's not realistic or possible. But I think Solas (if his storyline pans out like everyone thinks it will) is too big a character for a romance with the PC. Whenever the next game is discussed I feel like the players who didn't do the Solas romance are forgotten or ignored.

[Witch Cocktor]

I also realized I completely forgot about Solas.

Eh, just remove him then. I agree, too big of a character to be romanceable.

[straykat]

I kind of agree with this. I know and fully accept that not all LI's will have the same weight in the main story. It's not realistic or possible. But I think Solas (if his storyline pans out like everyone thinks it will) is too big a character for a romance with the PC. Whenever the next game is discussed I feel like the players who didn't do the Solas romance are forgotten or ignored.

 

What's the big deal? For a non-romance, he simply lives up to his name. The dread wolf.

[vbibbi]

What's the big deal? For a non-romance, he simply lives up to his name. The dread wolf.

To me, it is a big factor in making it feel like the Inquisitor's story isn't over and will have large involvement in DA4. If Solas weren't romanceable, I would just say okay, the Inquisitor will direct agents behind the scenes to try and stop Solas, whether they were friends or not.

 

But when the Inquisitor romanced him, it becomes "I need my Lavellan to confront him personally and end the story of the romance. I can't leave resolution to a new PC."

 

It essentially creates a more divergent story path than the redeem or kill option at the end of Trespasser. IMO etc.

[GoldenGail3]

I'd sack Josephine for Harding

I'd give Blackwall to the men.

And then I'd sack the Iron Bull for Cullen's bi

[straykat]

To me, it is a big factor in making it feel like the Inquisitor's story isn't over and will have large involvement in DA4. If Solas weren't romanceable, I would just say okay, the Inquisitor will direct agents behind the scenes to try and stop Solas, whether they were friends or not.

 

But when the Inquisitor romanced him, it becomes "I need my Lavellan to confront him personally and end the story of the romance. I can't leave resolution to a new PC."

 

It essentially creates a more divergent story path than the redeem or kill option at the end of Trespasser. IMO etc.

 

Oh, I see how that would bother some people.

 

I was never much of a Solas fan, personally. It didn't register to me.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

I think the devs were super generous with the quality and quantity of the romances and I'm very grateful for that because they're fun...mostly. Okay, I admit I even enjoy the drama...mostly. That being said, Varric and Harding are the dreamiest dwarves in all of Thedas and would have been really fun characters to romance. Hopefully there will be more dwarf options available in the future, especially if they keep the dwarf as a race option for the player.

[Xilizhra]

Cut Josephine's romance, have Vivienne be a straight romance option and have Cassandra be bi.

[Abyss108]

I'd sack Blackwall for sure. And probably Cullen. No idea who I would replace them with though. There really isn't any others characters I would like to romance that would make sense for the plot.

 

Ah well, as long as I've got my Solas romance I don't really mind what happens to the others. I don't think the Solas romance creates any more problems than Morragan - she obviously has a big role to play in the next game, but the problem is that it's only relavent to wardens who romanced her. The Solas plot is relavent to every Inquisitor.