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[Scuttlebutt101]

I would trade Cullen and Bull for Harding and Barris in a heartbeat, and give them more development at that.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Sera is the Uncle Ruckus of elvenkind.

 

Not really. I mean, she would have to really like humans and judging from how she despises human nobles more so than even the Dalish I don't think that's the case. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm not sure I agree, I can't help but get the sense that even though she hates them both, she seems to reserve more venom and contempt for the Dalish and Elfiness than she does for the average noble.

[BansheeOwnage]

Oh I didn't know that.  I was thinking of a female Trevelyan who is really down to earth, but there'd be some conflict with Sera hating nobles which I thought could be interesting.  

Even without a romance, I thought it didn't really make any sense how she totally brushed off Trevelyan being what she fights against. Actually, she doesn't even brush it off, it's just not brought up at all, and it irks me. She should be a lot more hostile and less trusting of Trevelyan at first, and you should be able to either show her she's right about you or show her she's wrong.

 

Also, I like opportunities to disagree with Sera.

[ModernAcademic]

No, Cole isn't possessing anyone. There are entire conversations about this. He took physical form without using a body. 

 

Wrong. His body is that of the mage Cole.

 

Spirits don't take physical form. They possess a body. Like Justice did to Kristoff, for instance.

[Xilizhra]

Wrong. His body is that of the mage Cole.

 

Spirits don't take physical form. They possess a body. Like Justice did to Kristoff, for instance.

Did you somehow miss that entire conversation where it's very plainly spelled out that Cole isn't possessing anyone? And if you think that spirits don't take physical form... what, exactly, are all the demons that you've been fighting for all three games?

[Gilli]

Wrong. His body is that of the mage Cole.
 
Spirits don't take physical form. They possess a body. Like Justice did to Kristoff, for instance.

 
Wrong. 
 

Dorian: You're not possessing a human body, Cole? You... actually look like that?
Cole: Yes.
Dorian: But a spirit's true form is always monstrous, or at least unnatural.
Cole: The world doesn't make sense to them. It's too real. That's why they look wrong.
Dorian: And... this is how you want to look?
Cole: I want to help. Looking doesn't matter.

[Qun00]

Wrong. His body is that of the mage Cole.

Spirits don't take physical form. They possess a body. Like Justice did to Kristoff, for instance.

This subject is so confusing. How about the demons that come out of the fade rifts? And the rage demons in the Broken Circle quest from DAO?

There are a few instances in the series where spirits and demons materialize in the world without possession or summoning.

[Ghost Gal]

I've thought about this long and hard.

 

1) I'd cut Blackwall and give his "available to women of all races" status to Cullen. I'd also cut Bull as an option for male and female elves and dwarves and give the work that went into those four differently-animated cutscenes into making Cullen available to men; so Cullen would be the "available to everyone" romance and Bull the race-gated one.

 

2) I'd also cut Josephine (much as I like romancing her with Adaar) and resplace her with Harding.

 

I'd also switch Cassandra to the lesbian one and Sera to the straight one and promptly get killed for it.

 

Then I'd just have Blackwall and Josephine become an item. (I mean really, their romances aren't that compelling with the Inquisitor. Why not have each other?)

[Ghost Gal]

Not really. I mean, she would have to really like humans and judging from how she despises human nobles more so than even the Dalish I don't think that's the case. 

 

That, I have to disagree with.

 

She doesn't give Trevelyan nearly as much grief for being a noble as she does Lavellan for being an elf. People who've played both romances have also commented that she makes you jump through more hoops when you're an elf. While she makes bitter comments about nobles in general, she's much nicer to individual ones and readily befriends nobles like Cassandra and Dorian and the Inquisitor if she thinks they're cool people, whereas she constantly holds multiple elven characters' race against them, constantly makes snide comments and snap judgments about elves (Bull: "What'd you think of the red-head in the village we just passed?" "Too elfy." "Suit yourself"), and is constantly ready to berate and dismiss them if they express even a hint of "elfiness." ("Solas? He's got his head crammed up a thousand years ago." "There that 'we' [elves] stuff again." "Don't you be getting elfy on me!")

 

And, of course, she doesn't force Trevelyan into an ultimatum where they have to give up their noble status/name to be with her the way she forces Lavellan to give up their religion/culture or get dumped.

 

This subject is so confusing. How about the demons that come out of the fade rifts? And the rage demons in the Broken Circle quest from DAO?

There are a few instances in the series where spirits and demons materialize in the world without possession or summoning.

 

Some party banter between Solas and Cole explains that the demons you see at the rifts were Fade spirits who were pulled through the rift against their will, then were driven mad by the shock and trauma of it, and appear as twisted monsters as a reflection of their shattered psyche.

 

Solas also explains at one point that most spirits find the physical world just as nonsensical as mortals find the Fade. Most have difficulty adapting to it (even if they want to come through, like demons), so unless they possess a mortal body, their own bodies appear twisted, monstrous, and non-sensical as a reflection of their inability to understand or adapt to the "laws" of the mortal realm.

 

As for the rage demons in the Broken Circle quest: Paraphrasing Solas: "Most spirits wish to join the living. A demon is that wish gone wrong."

 

Compassion was sort of "lucky" because it felt drawn to come through the Veil of its own volition, when it sensed the real Cole's emotional anguish (as he was dying), and reached through to help him. Compassion then felt ashamed and guilty for being unable to help the real Cole (apart from holding his hand as he died), and so was able to take its time hyper-focusing on what the real Cole's body looked like, and then was able to manifest a physical form with the real Cole as the "blueprint."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Then I'd just have Blackwall and Josephine become an item. (I mean really, their romances aren't that compelling with the Inquisitor. Why not have each other?)

No.

[Abyss108]

Wrong. His body is that of the mage Cole.

 

Spirits don't take physical form. They possess a body. Like Justice did to Kristoff, for instance.

 

That's the entire point! Something like Cole has never been seen before. Did you somehow skip every conversation in the game where characters discuss this and how Cole did what he did? 

 

The fact that Cole managed to come across the Veil and form a physical body without actually possessing anyone is a major point that characters talk about!

[BansheeOwnage]

Wrong. His body is that of the mage Cole.

 

Spirits don't take physical form. They possess a body. Like Justice did to Kristoff, for instance.

Wrong wrong. Belay that belay that!

[Boost32]

 As I said in that other thread, I truly regret romancing Cassandra. In my head I imagine breaking up during that two-year period. Then power-marriage with (Divine) Vivienne.
 
Not that I would scrap her romance, I just wish I hadn't done it.
 
Vivienne and Scout Harding would make excellent LIs. Leliana, also, but it's pick-2 so she does not make the cut. As for the existing, IB and Blackwall are quite expendable.

Why did you regret romancing Cassandra?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Why did you regret romancing Cassandra?

 

I never progressed past feelings of "like her, don't love her" with Cassandra.

 

And my opinion of her went down a bit in the last DLC. The Trespasser plot adds even more developments that make her and Leliana look incompetent (on top of all the main game's plot). Hell, she falls for Varric's BS for the umpteenth time. Then she whines about Divine Vivienne, and quits.

 

Inquisitor (in Trespasser): "She's not killing Solas, *I* am!"

--> Vivienne Greatly Approves

--> Cassandra Slightly Approves

 

This is why you're second-fiddle, Cassandra.

[ComedicSociopathy]

That, I have to disagree with.

 

She doesn't give Trevelyan nearly as much grief for being a noble as she does Lavellan for being an elf. People who've played both romances have also commented that she makes you jump through more hoops when you're an elf. While she makes bitter comments about nobles in general, she's much nicer to individual ones and readily befriends nobles like Cassandra and Dorian and the Inquisitor if she thinks they're cool people, whereas she constantly holds multiple elven characters' race against them, constantly makes snide comments and snap judgments about elves (Bull: "What'd you think of the red-head in the village we just passed?" "Too elfy." "Suit yourself"), and is constantly ready to berate and dismiss them if they express even a hint of "elfiness." ("Solas? He's got his head crammed up a thousand years ago." "There that 'we' [elves] stuff again." "Don't you be getting elfy on me!")

 

And, of course, she doesn't force Trevelyan into an ultimatum where they have to give up their noble status/name to be with her the way she forces Lavellan to give up their religion/culture or get dumped.

 

While that is true, she only really likes Dorian and Cassandra because even though they are human nobles their essentially rebels that constantly criticize the nobility. Plus, even she does constantly talk about elfy elves she doesn't actively punish them like she does the nobility and she does approve of helping elves like that healer in Redcliffe. But my point was if she was a Uncle Ruckus character she'd have to hold human culture as superior and perfect, which judging by her hatred of Orlesian and Tevinter culture and her apathy towards Ferelden I don't think this is the case. So, yeah, she totally has elf issues that eventually she sort of gets over in, but I don't she's a Uncle Ruckus. 

[Deadly dwarf]

Hmmm....I only romance the ladies.  I agree, add Scout Harding as a bi- LI.  I like the Josephine romance, but it's a "Rated G" romance.  I think they should spice up to at least PG.  The Inquisitor should find out what "Ruffles" looks like under her ruffles.  The Cassandra romance is very sweet, but I wish they'd allow her to let her hair down literally for romance mode.  Otherwise, she looks a bit too "Peter Pan-ish" otherwise.  I do like the Sera romance, even though she's a bit psycho (though not on an Anders-like level).  I would add a Leliana romance for old times sake.  I always went the Leli route in Origins.  She could sadly reminisce about the Warden.... 

 

A really off-the-wall choice would be the Tranquil who works in the library in Skyhold.  It would be interesting to see what her responses would be to someone trying to reach out to her.  Other intriguing female possibilities....Briala and Enchanter Fiona.

 

Though I would never do it, Cole would be an interesting bi- option.  A Cole relationship would complement the "Pinocchio" storyline involving Varric versus Solas.  A relationship would complete his transition to a more human Cole.

[Qun00]

That, I have to disagree with.

She doesn't give Trevelyan nearly as much grief for being a noble as she does Lavellan for being an elf. People who've played both romances have also commented that she makes you jump through more hoops when you're an elf. While she makes bitter comments about nobles in general, she's much nicer to individual ones and readily befriends nobles like Cassandra and Dorian and the Inquisitor if she thinks they're cool people, whereas she constantly holds multiple elven characters' race against them, constantly makes snide comments and snap judgments about elves (Bull: "What'd you think of the red-head in the village we just passed?" "Too elfy." "Suit yourself"), and is constantly ready to berate and dismiss them if they express even a hint of "elfiness." ("Solas? He's got his head crammed up a thousand years ago." "There that 'we' [elves] stuff again." "Don't you be getting elfy on me!")

And, of course, she doesn't force Trevelyan into an ultimatum where they have to give up their noble status/name to be with her the way she forces Lavellan to give up their religion/culture or get dumped.


Some party banter between Solas and Cole explains that the demons you see at the rifts were Fade spirits who were pulled through the rift against their will, then were driven mad by the shock and trauma of it, and appear as twisted monsters as a reflection of their shattered psyche. Solas also explains at one point that most spirits find the physical world just as nonsensical as mortals find the Fade. Most have difficulty adapting to it (even if they want to come through, like demons), so unless they possess a mortal body, their own bodies appear twisted, monstrous, and non-sensical as a reflection of their inability to understand or adapt to the "laws" of the mortal realm.

As for the rage demons in the Broken Circle quest: Paraphrasing Solas: "Most spirits wish to join the living. A demon is that wish gone wrong."

Compassion was sort of "lucky" because it felt drawn to come through the Veil of its own volition, when it sensed the real Cole's emotional anguish (as he was dying), and reached through to help him. Compassion then felt ashamed and guilty for being unable to help the real Cole (apart from holding his hand as he died), and so was able to take its time hyper-focusing on what the real Cole's body looked like, and then was able to manifest a physical form with the real Cole as the "blueprint."

None of that has anything to do with the topic. It explains the general nature of spirits and demons, nothing more.

[Dabrikishaw]

I don't usually post in these kinds of topics, but I didn't see the harm in replying to this one.

 

When pondering this question, I wanted to make sure I kept to the 2/2/2 standard. As such; Dorian, Sera, Iron Bull, and Josephine would stay. They are our 2 gay and 2 bisexual options per 2 genders. Cassandra and Solas would also stay, mostly because they are both extremely relevant to the plot of Inquisition. That leaves Blackwall and Cullen to cut and replace with Varric and Harding, for a few reasons.

 

The first is balancing the species options. Cutting Blackwall and Cullen for Varric and Harding leaves us at 3 humans, 2 elves, 2 dwarfs, and 1 Qunari to romance, which is very good. The second is getting the dwarf romance frenzy out of the way, since fans really won't stop begging for these options. 

 

As for why I cut Cullen and Blackwall, I'm just not a fan of Cullen and Blackwall's romance has nothing to do with why I like him.

[Lady Artifice]

Oh, and I would have made Solas and Cullen romances non-racegated too. Falling for a human, or a dwarf or a Qunari would have made Solas' decision to tear down the Veil and restore his People even more painful and dramatic.

 

 

I absolutely love this idea. 

[Deadly dwarf]

Hmmm....sticking to the parameters laid out in the original post (which I didn't do in my previous post) and sticking with just the females, cut the Josephine romance and have harding be the female bi- option.  And as for switching, make Cass a lesbian and Sera straight.

 

On the male side, replace Iron Bull with Cole as the bi- option.  Everyone wants Varric, but his heart is stuck on Bianca, so I just don't see that happening.  As to switching, hard to imagine Dorian not being gay.

[Dabrikishaw]

That's another reason I picked Varric, Bianca is a terrible character. Varric moving on from her the best thing for everyone.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

It's hard to tell with DA:I's annoying conversation camera, but templar Lysette seems to be quite attractive.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

While that is true, she only really likes Dorian and Cassandra because even though they are human nobles their essentially rebels that constantly criticize the nobility. Plus, even she does constantly talk about elfy elves she doesn't actively punish them like she does the nobility and she does approve of helping elves like that healer in Redcliffe. But my point was if she was a Uncle Ruckus character she'd have to hold human culture as superior and perfect, which judging by her hatred of Orlesian and Tevinter culture and her apathy towards Ferelden I don't think this is the case. So, yeah, she totally has elf issues that eventually she sort of gets over in, but I don't she's a Uncle Ruckus. 

 

I'm not knowledgeable enough about The Boondocks to know whether she's like Uncle Ruckus, but I can't help but feel that she does feel like human culture is superior not because it's any good, but because she believes elven culture is even worse.

[Ghost Gal]

No.

 

What? 

 

They like each other, and their romances with the Inquisitor aren't that compelling to me, so if I were in charge I'd cut them as a romance, replace them with Cullen and Harding, then let them get together.

 

I know there are Blackwall and Josephine fans who'd be offended, and I acknowledged that and apologized for that before posting. But, this is a thread asking everyone which romances they'd cut and which they'd add. Since every romance has fans and every non-romance character has haters, someone was bound to get offended. Since this is an opinion thread, I shared my opinion. 

 

While that is true, she only really likes Dorian and Cassandra because even though they are human nobles their essentially rebels that constantly criticize the nobility. Plus, even she does constantly talk about elfy elves she doesn't actively punish them like she does the nobility and she does approve of helping elves like that healer in Redcliffe. But my point was if she was a Uncle Ruckus character she'd have to hold human culture as superior and perfect, which judging by her hatred of Orlesian and Tevinter culture and her apathy towards Ferelden I don't think this is the case. So, yeah, she totally has elf issues that eventually she sort of gets over in, but I don't she's a Uncle Ruckus. 

 

Bolded: She seems to hold Andrastian human commoner culture as superior and perfect, if that helps. It seems, though, that she couldn't hold "human culture" as superior and perfect since there is no one, universal "human culture." Thedas humans have many different nations and cultures, many of which contradict each other. Tevinter loves magic, Andrastian hates it; Orlais loves fashion and frivolity, Ferelden loves rustic and practical stuff; etc. Since Andrastianism is the largest human culture (covering most of the continent) and most people in the Andrastian culture are human commoners, that's about as close to revering the "universal" 'human culture' as one can get. And Sera's all over that.

 

Otherwise: Sera may go around "actively punishing" nobles, but to be fair she only does this to nobles who legitimately ruin the lives of and kill innocent people. She doesn't even do anything that drastic if she feels they don't deserve it, just "bring 'em down a peg" via harmless pranks or a pie to the face if she feels they need some humbling. However, if she thinks they're "good" nobles like Cassandra and Dorian and Trevelyan, she's perfectly cordial to them and doesn't constantly throw their noble blood/status in their face... but she does to an elf (Solas and Lavellan).

 

And that's just the thing, though. Despite how her dislike of nobles is founded on many nobles legitimately ruining and ending the lives of countless innocent commoners every day, she has far more snide, bitter, and hateful things to say to and about elves. And what's their "crime"? A little rudeness and cultural posturing. Seems a little petty compared to systematic oppression and socially condoned war crimes against peasants? She also doesn't constantly throw Trevelyan's noble blood/status back in their face the way she does to Lavellan for being elven/Dalish, nor try to force Trevelyan to change for her the way she does to Lavellan. All because, according to Sera, nobles shouldn't have to compensate for being nobles if they're "good," but elves should constantly compensate for being elves.

 

Keeping this mildly on topic, I said before that I'd cut Blackwall and Josephine. What I didn't say was: the reason for this choice is because I thought they seemed most "unpopular" compared to how much effort got put into them (Blackwall being considered the "default" romance choice and available to all women, Bull getting midnight oil poured into him to make him available for everybody, and Josephine being the woman who is available for everybody), despite how Cullen and Harding seem to be the most popular romance choices of their gender. With hindsight on my side, it seemed to me that making Cullen and Harding available to everyone seemed like a more... economic use of time and resources. (Again, just based on personal observations.)

 

If I was perfectly honest though, Sera is my least favorite female romance. Based on personal feelings alone, I'd scratch Sera as a romance instead of Josephine to make room for Harding.

 

None of that has anything to do with the topic. It explains the general nature of spirits and demons, nothing more.

 

 

You brought it up.

 

You asked.

 

I was trying to be nice and answer your question. Silly me. Next time you ask a question that's off-topic, I'll remember what an ungracious jerkface you are about people trying to give an "off-topic" answer to your off-topic question.