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[vbibbi]

Oh, I see how that would bother some people.

 

I was never much of a Solas fan, personally. It didn't register to me.

Well I'm not either, and I'm saying this as someone who only watched his romance on YouTube rather than playing it. To me, his character was rather flat and more a talking Fade travelogue for the majority of the game. Seeing his romance scenes, he does have more of a personality in them, but I would have liked to see this personality independent of a romantic involvement.

 

Plus to me he has the same issue as Blackwall: he becomes more interesting in retrospect after his Big Reveal, but more in a Usual Suspects or Sixth Sense way of replaying and seeing the subtle clues rather than because their bland personality suddenly is interesting. We have the knowledge that Solas/Blackwall are more than who we think they are, but once we know that, their character doesn't actually expand or become more interesting. It's more of a gimmick than character development for me.

[ArcadiaGrey]

This will be controversial, but I would cut the Solas romance. And Iron Bull.

 

Solas, because I think his romance has created more issues for future games than is worth it. I've seen people post that they wanted the option to help their lover bring down the Veil, even though their Inquisitor would likely die as a result. Not the healthiest attitude. Plus, it can be interpreted to skew the opinion of "best" choice of Inquisitor as a female (mage) elf. If we're going to have multiple race options I don't want to feel that I ought to choose a specific background to get restricted content. (Here I'm referencing the reveal of vallaslin being slave markings, which only occurs in the Solas romance.) I would rather have had all Inquisitors have a friendship path which covered the information restricted in the romance. If his romance was added with the year delay because Bio thought he needed more empathy after his reveal, they should have just focused on his overall relationship to any character, not just to ones who romanced him.

 

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That's a really good point, it does create so many issues going forward.  That's one of the reasons why I wonder if they'll quietly finish Solas's story then swiftly move on...

 

If, as you said, everyone with a Solas friendship got the restricted content, then surely Trespasser would have been more meaningful to all.

 

So I still wanna romance him, but I also agree with your perspective on it.  I hope they haven't screwed the pooch on this one.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Heterosexual: Cassandra and Solas (No longer Elf-gated)

Bisexual: Blackwall and Vivienne

Homosexual: Sera and Dorian

 

Sorry to Cullen and Josephine fans, but I much prefer romanceable characters that you can actually take out of Skyhold and see bounce off other companions.

[Xilizhra]

Heterosexual: Cassandra and Solas (No longer Elf-gated)

Bisexual: Blackwall and Vivienne

Homosexual: Sera and Dorian

 

Sorry to Cullen and Josephine fans, but I much prefer romanceable characters that you can actually take out of Skyhold and see bounce off other companions.

I humbly request that you not punish us with Vivienne.

[GoldenGail3]

I humbly request that you not punish us with Vivienne.

I would love it if Harding was a romance opotion...

[ArcadiaGrey]

I humbly request that you not punish us with Vivienne.

 

   Poor Vivienne, she really does divide opinion doesn't she?

 

I for one think she's fabulous darhling.

[Ryzaki]

I'd cut Blackwall for an ungated Cullen.

 

And...that's it really.

[Shechinah]

But when the Inquisitor romanced him, it becomes "I need my Lavellan to confront him personally and end the story of the romance. I can't leave resolution to a new PC."

 

I disagree because I see the same need for a personal confrontation remaining if the Inquisitor and Solas were friends because that is still a personal angle and I also know the highlighted section of your post is also cited by people whose characters did not romance Solas.

[roselavellan]

That's a really good point, it does create so many issues going forward.  That's one of the reasons why I wonder if they'll quietly finish Solas's story then swiftly move on...

 

If, as you said, everyone with a Solas friendship got the restricted content, then surely Trespasser would have been more meaningful to all.

 

So I still wanna romance him, but I also agree with your perspective on it.  I hope they haven't screwed the pooch on this one.

 

I have a lot of faith in the Bioware writing team, and I'm sure they haven't done anything they didn't mean to do. After all, Solas was written as a sympathetic character and there are still many Solas fans who did not romance him - who like him because they find him intriguing, or who sympathise with him because he raised issues that resonated with them. That was no accident, he was never meant to be a simple black-or-white antagonist.

 

I think the Solas romance was a brilliant addition to show the complex nature of the being we're dealing with. Yes, I'm biaised - but then so is everyone else on this issue, including those who are against him.

 

So, anyway... back to the original question, I probably wouldn't want any romances cut. I personally do not see the relevance of the IB and Cullen romances myself, but I can appreciate that many people enjoy them, so I think that's valuable in itself.

[Shechinah]

 

1. Solas, because I think his romance has created more issues for future games than is worth it. I've seen people post that they wanted the option to help their lover bring down the Veil, even though their Inquisitor would likely die as a result. Not the healthiest attitude.

 

This attitude is nothing new as there were people who wanted a legitimate option to leave Fereldan to the darkspawn. The request for an option that allows either standing by or outright helping Solas bring down the Veil is also not restricted to the people who played characters that romanced him. 

 

2. Plus, it can be interpreted to skew the opinion of "best" choice of Inquisitor as a female (mage) elf. If we're going to have multiple race options I don't want to feel that I ought to choose a specific background to get restricted content. (Here I'm referencing the reveal of vallaslin being slave markings, which only occurs in the Solas romance.) I would rather have had all Inquisitors have a friendship path which covered the information restricted in the romance.

 

I understand and can agree especially in regards to the vallaslin bit.

 

3. If his romance was added with the year delay because Bio thought he needed more empathy after his reveal, they should have just focused on his overall relationship to any character, not just to ones who romanced him.

 

I felt Solas was an good example of a romance serving to provide an additional insight into a character. I'll seen if I can properly formulate my reasoning but I'll have to put a pin in it since I do not think I'll get around to doing so today. I'd like to be able to cite examples.

 

I do not feel I can make much of a comment on Iron Bull and his romance as I've not romanced him and I prefer to base my opinion on my own observations.

[Shechinah]

I kind of agree with this. I know and fully accept that not all LI's will have the same weight in the main story. It's not realistic or possible. But I think Solas (if his storyline pans out like everyone thinks it will) is too big a character for a romance with the PC. Whenever the next game is discussed I feel like the players who didn't do the Solas romance are forgotten or ignored.

 

I disagree as I've seen discussions with all the different angles and the ones concerning a single angle dominating the discussion can be as much romance as it can be platonic but that aside, do you worry the platonic angle will be forgotten or ignored in favor of the romance angle by Bioware when it comes to the next game?

 

In my opinion, the conclusion at the end of Trespasser remains the same if Solas has high approval. Solas remains set on bringing down the Veil despite the cost and is unswayed by his personal relationships, friendship or romance, in changing his path however much he wishes he could.
 

[MattH]

I'd cut Blackwall for Vivienne, human nobles only. I'd also have either Solas or Cullen as bi options.

[AFA]

Liked Josie, but her romance was so terrible that I am not romancing her in my next-gen playthrough. Cass doesn't work with my character (and she reminds me of my real life ex a bit too much and it creeps me out), so my rebel mage spends his time getting shot down by Sera or flirting with Harding. Trade Josie for Harding would be my suggestion. I honestly don't know who thought the Disney princess thing was a bright idea.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Liked Josie, but her romance was so terrible that I am not romancing her in my next-gen playthrough. Cass doesn't work with my character (and she reminds me of my real life ex a bit too much and it creeps me out), so my rebel mage spends his time getting shot down by Sera or flirting with Harding. Trade Josie for Harding would be my suggestion. I honestly don't know who thought the Disney princess thing was a bright idea.

Many people love her romance, so it was. Hopefully there are more romances like hers in the future. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The romances I would cut would be Sera and Rainier. I would replace them with an ungated Cullen and add Harding.

[Gervaise]

I really liked Harding and I think I would trade Josephine for her.  I have experienced Josie's romance and to be honest I found it a bit boring, plus I resented Leliana warning me off.   

 

I personally do not go for Bull, not being into big muscular types and definitely not into BDSM but a lot of people do, so whilst I wouldn't miss him as a romance option, it probably isn't fair to swap him out for someone else.

 

The main benefit for me in having Solas as a romance option is that it gave me a valid reason for making the redeem choice.    I have to agree that I found it annoying that only a romanced Lavellan is party to certain information.   When Cory started drawing attention to my male Lavellan's slave markings it was a case of "what is he talking about?"   On the other hand, it is pretty daft in Trespasser that a romanced Lavellan doesn't catch on much quicker to the fact the Solas must be Fen'Harel when the mural shows him removing the vallaslin from the faces of his followers.   Then it makes out you are still ignorant by the end if you don't find the bits of information that allow you to make the identification.

[Elhanan]

Not that important, but would have been nice to have Vivienne and Leliana as romantic possibilities, as both could have treasured previous relationships. These two could have been able to tell varied romantic tales involving important prior relationships.

[AFA]

Something to fill the gaping "bad girl" hole for us guys would have been nice, but no one in the game really fits there. Viv comes closest I guess, except that the field of characters that could romance her would be very narrow to fit her motivations. They would also kind of overlap with what Cass is looking for in a dude when it comes to templar/mage/chantry views

[Asdrubael Vect]

replace Cassandra templar-seeker jailer and kick Josephine with useless and really noone Sera to have another ones, even race restricted ones

 

1 straight female elf mage...from rebel mages, tevinter or dalish

1 straight dwarf female....dagna, valta or harding

1 bi qunari female sareabas

 

Blackwall as dwarf(i think that our temporaly comanion who die in deep roads dlc what fit the role) and a real grey warden or from legion of death would be more good that what we have for females

 

characters-agents who was putted  in MP and mentioned in SP was better than many our companions/advisors in SP

[ComedicSociopathy]

I humbly request that you not punish us with Vivienne.

 

Fair enough. The thing is I'm not a Vivienne fan. In fact, she's my least favorite companion in Inquisition. Which is why I feel that giving her romance could have actually changed that since it would have allowed for an opportunity to see a softer, less always pragmatic facet of Vivienne, which is something we only saw once or twice throughout the game. 

[sandalisthemaker]

 

1 straight dwarf female....dagna, valta or harding

 

 

Dagna is a lesbian. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dagna is a lesbian. 

That's unknown. She is some orientation that has her attracted to the same sex, but it could be quite a few orientations besides just homosexual. 

Also, yet another disgusting pairing with her and Sera. 

[Asdrubael Vect]

Dagna is a lesbian. 

DAO does not think so

[vertigomez]

That's unknown. She is some orientation that has her attracted to the same sex, but it could be quite a few orientations besides just homosexual. 
Also, yet another disgusting pairing with her and Sera. 

What's disgusting about Dagna and Sera? I think they're cute together.

[sandalisthemaker]

That's unknown. She is some orientation that has her attracted to the same sex, but it could be quite a few orientations besides just homosexual. 

Also, yet another disgusting pairing with her and Sera. 

 

Ah, yes. How silly of me. 

 

I was more surprised than anything because it literally came out of nowhere, but not as surprised as with Cole and Maryden.  *That* one gave me the shivers.  

 

And NOT in a good way.