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[YourFunnyUncle]

Although... The scene with Cassandra's book... Hmm... Maybe not...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I truly must ask where the priorities of people are who ask for non-companions to become romance options.

People have different preferences with love stories, an example being a loved one to write home to rather than in the trench beside you. 

[thats1evildude]

I truly must ask where the priorities of people are who ask for non-companions to become romance options.

I don't really observe that in relation to Josephine. Nobody says anything about the romance in banter, but that's about it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't really observe that in relation to Josephine. Nobody says anything about the romance in banter, but that's about it.

And the advisers do have banter about the romance if Cullen or Josephine is romanced, so that matches the party banter among companions. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Ikr, they're adorable.  Complete 'awww' moment when I read Sera's diary and saw the epilogue of Trespasser.

I had a complete "Huh?" moment. And I had that moment again with Cole/Maryden.

 

 

And the advisers do have banter about the romance if Cullen or Josephine is romanced, so that matches the party banter among companions. 

I wouldn't really call that "matching". It's one comment, in Cullen's case anyway. One of the only parts of his romance I didn't like was simply the lack of reaction to it, from anyone. That would have added a lot.

[BansheeOwnage]

This is only true if the prankster actually knows that in advance and does the prank anyway. Otherwise, it's just a mistake

No... Pranks aren't cool unless the prankster knows in advance the person being pranked wouldn't care. If they don't know, or know they wouldn't like it, it's mean. I hate pranks, and I hate people screwing with me. And I've heard my fair share of "It's just a joke" and "I wasn't serious", which mean about as much as an assassin saying "This isn't personal". To quote Brian Mills: It was all personal to me.

 

Anyway, about people wanting non-companions as romance options: People can't help but like some non-companions better. It's not like they like their probable lack of content better, but that's just how it is. Hopefully, if we have non-companion romances in DA4, they'll fix that disparity.

[Midnight Bliss]

Cut Sera & Blackwall and replace with Harding & Krem.

 

Oh I would have been SO happy with a Krem romance. If done well, that would have been the bees knees. Heh

[Obsidian Gryphon]

That's not seeing them together. 

As for how I can say it's disgusting, in a word: Sera. 

In more than one word: I find a lot of the "nice, decent person falls in love with a mean, indecent person whom corrupts them" stories disgusting. And that's exactly what'll happen. Want proof? Just look at what you have to do to be in a relationship with Sera: be a bully and pull pranks on your comrades. Plus they have almost nothing in common, and hold very differing views on things like magic, which Sera hates. And if you are Dalish, we know how Sera will respond in the relationship if you support something she hates: she gives you the ultimatum of "Think I'm right and you're wrong, or we're done."

 

This is just my view but I would hesitate to put Sera as the bullying type. A bully likes to intimidate, dominate over the weak, gains pleasure and profit from inflicting unhappiness on the other.  Her view of her pranks is to get people to loosen up / distract them (because the mood is so draggy, end of the world and all that) and kick people off their high horse if she thinks they're snotty and have her own kind of fun. But her way of going about it is hardly supportive, constructive or encouraging to those working hard, whose workload and responsibilities are heavy, in the inquisition.

 

Given Josie and Cullen's personalities, how much did her pranks help? Did they not impede and create negative feelings? How much did she empathise with them?  How much understanding did she have of them? Was she thinking of herself or them when she planned her pranks? If she truly cares, she would think of better ways that they would find humourous and yet helpful, supportive. A better way of conveying her intent.

 

On the OP. I would switch out Blackwall for Harding. I didn't romance BW but I did watch a vid of the romance. His attitude / actions is hardly romantic or caring.

[Lady Artifice]

I think it's better if I don't get into who I would trade away. 

 

But I would definitely add Dagna. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Cut Sera & Blackwall and replace with Harding & Krem.

 

Oh I would have been SO happy with a Krem romance. If done well, that would have been the bees knees. Heh

Yeah, Krem would have been cool.

[AnimalBoy]

Switch Sera's sexuality to bisexual and Josephine's to homosexual.

Dagna for Solas.

[nightscrawl]

I'd really like a f/f Cassandra romance. She's really the only person I'd like to change up.

 

I can't pick anyone to cut. I don't like certain people, and have no interest in most of them, but everyone is someone's favorite...

[nightscrawl]

DAO does not think so

 
I've played through that DAO quest numerous times. I don't recall there being anything in relation to her orientation whatsoever. She is too focused on "ZOMG MAGIC IS SO AWESOME" to do anything else, really. She is starstruck by a mage warden of either gender.
 
 

I would actually like to see them interact.  Their personalities would mesh quite well IMO.

I think so! An un-elfy elf and a dwarf who loves magic. I tend to romance Sera, but if she can't find happiness with my Inky I'm glad she finds it with someone as sweet as Dagna.

Yep, totally agree with both of these. I really like this NPC pairing and was quite pleased with that epilogue slide.

[pepper]

I 'd trade Varric for Cullen anyday. Tried a Cullen RI playthru but I don't care for having Advisors included in the romance options. Prefer someone thats actually part of my party. Need some Dwarf love lol. Would have  liked  to have a bad boy option but nobody really fit that role. Like Zevran from Origins. Solas  romance was great but not really developed enough and he is such an important character that I don't think they could ever really do it justice.

[BansheeOwnage]

Obviously subjective, but the posts suggesting replacing Cullen make me go:

 

Spoiler

[GoldenGail3]

Obviously subjective, but the posts suggesting replacing Cullen make me go:

 

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Dat Alistair face... 

[rapscallioness]

I would replace the Blackwall and IB romances, and replace with Varric and Vivienne.

[Fylimar]

I personally would cut Cullen and Sera. Cullen is well written here in DAI, but I'm personal am not interested in romancing him - friendship path is cool and I like, how he responds always so well to my jokes, but I don't think, I will play his romance soon.

And Sera? She is funny, but for such a funny rogue character, I find her opinions and world view very conservative and single minded. She constantly complains about 'elfy' elfs, even if you never bring the topic up (my inquisitor is Dalish, but she does not try to rub that in. If someone asks her about her culture and beliefs, she answers, but she isn't that 'elfy'). And her views about the mages - I mean, she goes on about underdogs and all, but whenever you help a mage, you get dissapproval. Not even Vivianne critics that much. With her, you can at least explain after and get some approval back.

Don't get me wrong, I like Sera and Cullen, but not as li. And I don't want to antagonize the hords of Cullen fans (and the Sera-fans of course, but given from that 5000 plus pages in the Cullen thread, his popularity as a romance seems to be unmatched). I myself love Blackwall and he gets the boots in this thread a lot. I try to live with that It's just personal opinion. And I have to say, I like the diversity of the romance options. So this is us whining on a very high level.

 

I would switch Cullen for Varric, because it's time we get a dwarven romance and Varric is a great character, and Sera for Vivienne (I have a massive girls crush on VIv, she is beautiful and intelligent and a bit bitchy sometimes, but in a good way)

Or since Viv is already involved with someone in game, I'd go for Scout Harding (my second girls crush)

 

This is really the only critic I have: that with all the diversity, you never get a dwarven romance. I can understand it with Oghren - would anyone really have romanced that drunk, who supposed to smell really bad and  makes not so funny jokes? But come on - Varric is great, Harding is great and many of the other dwaven characters you've met so far in the three games were great too. Does BW think, players can not be attracted to a dwarf?

[Abelas Forever!]

I would add Abelas as romance option and cut Blackwall romance. At this moment I can't think of anything else I would like change.

[KaiserShep]

No... Pranks aren't cool unless the prankster knows in advance the person being pranked wouldn't care. If they don't know, or know they wouldn't like it, it's mean. I hate pranks, and I hate people screwing with me. And I've heard my fair share of "It's just a joke" and "I wasn't serious", which mean about as much as an assassin saying "This isn't personal". To quote Brian Mills: It was all personal to me.

 

Anyway, about people wanting non-companions as romance options: People can't help but like some non-companions better. It's not like they like their probable lack of content better, but that's just how it is. Hopefully, if we have non-companion romances in DA4, they'll fix that disparity.

 

But if they didn't care, then the prank was kind of pointless XD

[KaiserShep]

I mean, she goes on about underdogs and all, but whenever you help a mage, you get dissapproval. 

 

 

I'm pretty sure that this isn't true. As far as I can tell, the only time she disapproves of helping mages is when the Inquisitor allies with the rebels rather than conscripting them. She shares Vivienne's stance on mage freedom. I don't recall any other instances where you might help a mage that yields disapproval from anyone. 

 

Anyways, If I really had to trade one for another, I'd probably cut Blackwall for Scout Harding or something. 

[Akrabra]

Not sure, but anything to romance Varric. So i would replace Iron bull with Varric for the romance slot.

[YourFunnyUncle]

People consistently misunderstand Sera's disapproval when you ally with the mages. She doesn't see the mages as oppressed in this case, but as one of two factions that have been waging their war without thought for the populace at large. In her opinion it's the little people who don't have either the ability to throw fireballs or huge suits of armour and lyrium-fuelled abilities that are the true victims of the conflict. She doesn't approve of allying with the Templars either. She wants whichever faction you use to be brought under Inquisition control.

[Jaison1986]

I would have replaced Sera with either Harding or Dagna. And replace Blackwall with Leliana (obviously, her romance would be blocked if she was with the warden). Then remove Cullen race gate to make things fair.

[Fylimar]

I'm pretty sure that this isn't true. As far as I can tell, the only time she disapproves of helping mages is when the Inquisitor allies with the rebels rather than conscripting them. She shares Vivienne's stance on mage freedom. I don't recall any other instances where you might help a mage that yields disapproval from anyone. 

 

Anyways, If I really had to trade one for another, I'd probably cut Blackwall for Scout Harding or something. 

 

She disapproved a few times, when I decided to help a mage. I remember when I tried to be lenient to Magister Alexius for Felix' and Dorians sake. I have given him into servitude to Fiona and the other mages, he tried to enslave, I thought that a fair deal. He is still under Inquisition jurisdiction, but alive. I don't believe in death sentences (not in real life and not in the game). But Sera disapproved. I somehow can understand her being afraid of the power mages can wield, but on the other hand, in the first scene, when you met her, she killed a mage, who just throwed fireballs at us, with a single shot, and even stole the breeches of his soldiers (that was a funny scene btw), so she isn't exactly easy prey and she isn't exactly powerless either.  So she is just a bit over the top in her opinions. I don't know, if that gets better, when you romance her, but I probably wont get her approval high enough to try it.