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[Teabaggin Krogan]

Hello there,I had already posted this question in the spoiler free section but unfortunately there seems to be rather few people there. So bear with me if you've seen this before.

Now as for the topic, I'm a huge fan of the Dark souls series having put in a huge amount of time into them with the majority of it being into the pvp side of things. That being said I also quite like the Witcher series especially the Witcher 3 for its story and characters. I have also played a lot of Skyrim back when it came out. 

       Now the thing is, I haven't played any of the dragon age games before so I'd to get some feedback on the game. How does it compare to the Souls or the Witcher games as a benchmark?  Do I have to play any of the prequels to better understand it? Is the multiplayer any good? I have played a lot of the ME3 multiplayer which I hear it is familiar to but I'm also hearing some negative remarks unlike the Mp for ME3 which was fantastic. Any suggestions are welcome.

[abisha]

only thing they have in compare is that they have RPG elements.

rest they compare almost with nothing. it's better to compare DA:I with DA2 they bit like the same.

[ArcadiaGrey]

Compared to Skyrim it's totally different.  Strong plots that go through the whole game, your decisions meaning more than in Skyrim and many of those choices impacting future games.  Not as much as the Witcher though (or so I've heard)

 

I'd recommend picking up Dragon Age Origins, the Ultimate edition that has all the DLC.  This is a series where you need to begin at the beginning.  Many elements of 2 and 3 won't mean anywhere near as much to you if you don't understand the world.

 

The graphics are dated, but the story is great, and you can mod it a whole bunch to improve things.  Then if you're into it, which I think you will be given your other games, move on to 2, then DA:I.

 

Dragon Age is a solo experience really, and it excels in that.  Not so much of a multiplayer game.

[Il Divo]

Dark Souls is my favorite franchise of all time, so I can relate.

 

The style of the two games is about as far from each other as it gets, outside of having some resemblance to medieval fantasy.

 

For my own interests, Dark Souls wins in every category, from atmosphere to gameplay to the lore.

 

If you really enjoy the lack of handholding, Inquisition is a bit more cautious; main quest missions will have a recommended level range attached, as an example. And being a squad-based RPG, it has a completely different style to Dark Souls' 1 man army approach. Both games feature open world exploration heavily, but in Inquisition's case, the gameplay quite often devolves into fetch quests and lacks the sheer level of focus which Dark Souls delivers in designing its game world.

 

And this last bit is likely a bit obvious, but Inquisition (and Bioware in general) tend towards exposition-heavy for its narrative. Dark Souls has amazing lore, but with DA:I expect to spend quite a bit of time talking to characters, having a clear plot laid out, making moral decisions, etc.

 

All that said, there is a lot to enjoy about DA:I, provided you don't go in expecting anything resembling Dark Souls. The characters are written by Bioware, so they tend to be enjoyable, the environments themselves are beautiful, and the gameplay can be a lot of fun in its own fast-paced arcade way. Also codex entries should get you all caught up on the lore if you have not played the first two games, although you might not understand the full implications of everything going on.

[Jason1990]

I agree with il divo, and i will probaly be saying the same..

Im also a huge dark souls fan.. you realy cannot compare the two...

I dont like DA:I in the same way i like dark souls... i like them equally.. but in diffrent ways.. story wise i like dragon age better... i like the fact that you can make your own choices and they affect the world around you... and a big plus is the social interaction .. which i miss in dark souls

That being said.. dark souls is awesome for its progression and gameplay.. you realy evolve in the game and never become too overpowered because you can always die.. while in dragon age on normal mode its close to impossible to die.. i have never changed the setting back from nightmare... i actually dislike dragon age on normal because it doesnt give that dark souls feels..

As for witcher.. i havent played any witcher game..

A tip if you like dragon age and dark souls.. go check out lors of the fallen

[katamuro]

Dark Souls games are what you would call an action RPG, action, minimalistic story and hardness level turned up to 11. 

 

Witcher 3 is a brilliant RPG but its a story of a set character and while many would say its a better RPG than DAI I would say it works because it has a strong main character, it wouldn't work as well with a blank slate type like DAI.

 

Now DAI is a very good RPG, it has its flaws like the Witcher 3 and Dark Souls but it gives you the possibility to play any character you want(almost). The voice acting is good, the characters are good. The main focus here is the story, not combat, not atmosphere(both of which are good but Dark Souls is superior in the "feel" and Witcher 3 is better at combat) but rather the stories that are told. You talk to people a LOT. It is a core part of the game. 

 

DAI is good, its a good RPG to play,  I do recommend it and sure you can play it without playing the previous games just like Witcher 3 but it does help if you have played. You get more out of the game. 

[Teabaggin Krogan]

Dark Souls is my favorite franchise of all time, so I can relate.....

 

 

I agree with il divo, and i will probaly be saying the same..

Im also a huge dark souls fan.. you realy cannot compare the two...

I dont like DA:I in the same way i like dark souls... i like them equally.. but in diffrent ways.. story wise i like dragon age better... i like the fact that you can make your own choices and they affect the world around you... and a big plus is the social interaction .. which i miss in dark souls.....

 Truly, actually Dark souls kinda ruined a lot of the other games for me initially as nothing else came close to it. But I realised that each game has it's own niche and so I just tend to enjoy other games for what they are now. In fact I quite enjoyed Skyrim afterwards which is pretty much the polar opposite of the Souls games as I knew what to expect. I also wanted to see if there were any souls vets here and how y'all felt about DA.

 

 

Dark Souls games are what you would call an action RPG, action, minimalistic story and hardness level turned up to 11....

But the story in Dark Souls is very deep! It's not minimalistic at all and is in fact one of the most story/lore driven games I've ever played or seen. Also I don't want to sound like an elitist or anything but the gameplay in Dark Souls is actually pretty easy once you get the hang of it.

                      You are right about the witcher though, Geralt is a pretty good character and it wouldn't feel the same playing as a blank slate character there. They have some great writing in that game though. 

[katerinafm]

They are different? The only thing that could be described as 'similar' is that they are considered 3rd person RPGS. But they are not similar at all. I'd say DA is the 'lightest' when it comes to the setting based on its presentation compared to the others. Combat pretty much changes with each game, definitely not similar to the other games as it allows you to use different classes and specializations and the combat is nothing like Dark Souls where it's more about timing and skill.

 

DA is about the story, world and choices, as well as the characters. It doesn't have a set protagonist like Geralt, and is not as mysterious with its story like Dark Souls.

 

I started with DA2 but went back to DAO after, but I'd recommend playing them before DAI. DAO is considered the best in the series by most and is the most traditional. DAI doesn't hold your hand when it comes to the story and you will probably be lost and will have to fill in the blanks yourself for a bunch of stuff.

[Il Divo]

 

But the story in Dark Souls is very deep! It's not minimalistic at all and is in fact one of the most story/lore driven games I've ever played or seen. Also I don't want to sound like an elitist or anything but the gameplay in Dark Souls is actually pretty easy once you get the hang of it.

                      You are right about the witcher though, Geralt is a pretty good character and it wouldn't feel the same playing as a blank slate character there. They have some great writing in that game though. 

 

As another poster who sometimes refers to Dark Soul's narrative as minimalistic, I kinda understand what he means.

 

Dark Soul's presentation is minimalistic in the sense that developers don't set out to beat you over the head with the story. This is contrasted by Inquisition where if you don't want to engage in cut-scenes and dialogue, that's about half the game tossed out the window right off the bat. You can spend upwards of 20 minutes in conversation at a time, on a pretty regular basis. Dark Souls has dialogue (and a brilliant cast), but it's far more spread out/interspersed through Lordran and Drangleic.

 

In another sense, Dark Souls might be better referred to as archaeology rather than active story-telling. To a large extent, it's more interested in hinting at how the world has reached this state through its item descriptions, world design, and sparse bits of dialogue. This serves in contrast to most other narratives where the focus is really on what's going on in the present moment and how we can change the future. Dark Souls, to my delight, is largely concerned with the past which helps put together a sense of sorrow.
 

[katamuro]

 Truly, actually Dark souls kinda ruined a lot of the other games for me initially as nothing else came close to it. But I realised that each game has it's own niche and so I just tend to enjoy other games for what they are now. In fact I quite enjoyed Skyrim afterwards which is pretty much the polar opposite of the Souls games as I knew what to expect. I also wanted to see if there were any souls vets here and how y'all felt about DA.

 

 

But the story in Dark Souls is very deep! It's not minimalistic at all and is in fact one of the most story/lore driven games I've ever played or seen. Also I don't want to sound like an elitist or anything but the gameplay in Dark Souls is actually pretty easy once you get the hang of it.

                      You are right about the witcher though, Geralt is a pretty good character and it wouldn't feel the same playing as a blank slate character there. They have some great writing in that game though. 

 

yes its deep but you can fit pretty much all of the interaction and clues on a single page. The backstory in DA is pages and pages long. 

And no dark souls gameplay is not easy. Not for someone who would rather enjoy the game rather than die a thousand times just to learn every single move. 

[vertigomez]

If you want to play DAI without playing Origins or DA2 first, I recommend combing over the TVTropes page. That'll get you familiar with the lore and setting without running into as many spoilers as you'd find on the Wiki.

[Arshei]

In the only thing this game is better than Witcher 3 is because you aren't forced to play an old ugly gigolo, here you are just forced to play ugly characters.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

yes its deep but you can fit pretty much all of the interaction and clues on a single page. The backstory in DA is pages and pages long. 

And no dark souls gameplay is not easy. Not for someone who would rather enjoy the game rather than die a thousand times just to learn every single move. 

Actually there are entire series of lore videos for each of the Souls games most of which are longer than 20 to 30 mins so the story isn't exactly that small as you would believe. That being said there's definitely very little dialogue in comparison to the Witcher or Skyrim nor can you talk to many hundreds of npcs. Which Souls game did you play btw?

 

 

In the only thing this game is better than Witcher 3 is because you aren't forced to play an old ugly gigolo, here you are just forced to play ugly characters.

Hmm...I thought Geralt was actually pretty good but different strokes for different folks I guess. Besides who's really focusing on Geralt when you got Yen, Triss and Ciri around! Also I thought the character creation in DA was pretty good from what I've heard. At least if its anything like mass effect which was somewhat decent.

[Spectr61]

I have about 1500 hours in DAIMP, twice that for ME3MP. (PC)

For DAIMP, it will depend on which platform you are on.

PC really got shafted, if you're on console, it is better. This is because of the movement.

In DAIMP, KB+M means no auto mouse look. This means that unless you're running around with r mouse down, to turn you have to use w/o or whatever key you bind the default to. Also, there is no aiming. Some abilities you can area aim, but it's on wonky side as you have to keep track of where your cursor is. These are both a major PITA in comparison to ME3MP.

A friend of mine is working on mods to fix all this, he just about has the movement done, and has vids on it in YouTube. Google it if you're interested.

I can't speak to consoles, but the DAIMP forum has lots of good info for consoles.

Oh, and another big thing, your character levels from 1-20, and then you can promote him/her. This resets you back to level 1, and permanently adds 1 point to your character, increasing the equivalent of power and survivability. After you do this a bunch, your character becomes so OP it makes everything laughable. Contrast this to ME3MP, where promotions didn't do this.

In the end, half as fast, half as good. Still fun though, I haven't played it in awhile, but there were lots of good people there, and that's what made it enjoyable.

Good luck.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

I have about 1500 hours in DAIMP, twice that for ME3MP. (PC)

For DAIMP, it will depend on which platform you are on.

PC really got shafted, if you're on console, it is better. This is because of the movement.

In DAIMP, KB+M means no auto mouse look. This means that unless you're running around with r mouse down, to turn you have to use w/o or whatever key you bind the default to. Also, there is no aiming. Some abilities you can area aim, but it's on wonky side as you have to keep track of where your cursor is. These are both a major PITA in comparison to ME3MP.

A friend of mine is working on mods to fix all this, he just about has the movement done, and has vids on it in YouTube. Google it if you're interested.

I can't speak to consoles, but the DAIMP forum has lots of good info for consoles.

Oh, and another big thing, your character levels from 1-20, and then you can promote him/her. This resets you back to level 1, and permanently adds 1 point to your character, increasing the equivalent of power and survivability. After you do this a bunch, your character becomes so OP it makes everything laughable. Contrast this to ME3MP, where promotions didn't do this.

In the end, half as fast, half as good. Still fun though, I haven't played it in awhile, but there were lots of good people there, and that's what made it enjoyable.

Good luck.

Thanks, so the Mp is pretty much similar to ME3 except that now promotions actually do something other than a reset. Its alright since i never used to promote anyway. I'll be playing with a controller even if I'm playing on pc since I'm used to it and fighting games on a M & K setup feels really weird.

[katamuro]

The thing is I like Dark Souls, I like the gameplay I like the atmosphere and the story. But the boss fights and the whole "miss a moment and die" just gets really tiring after a while. 

[Qis]

Dark Souls is better in many ways...

- you can customize your character into whatever you want

- a lot of cool armors and weapons to choose and they have their own stories

- you can mix match armors and gears as you want

- a lot of magic with intresting backstories to cast

- on each areas we see new stuff

- you can upgrade gears of your choice to the max

- the lore and the story is ambiguous enough to make players still debate about them

- you can PvP and Co-Op with other players

- game mechanic and lore often get along

- the art is rich and mostly accurate

- the combat is realistic as it can be done

- you learn about your enemy, their movements and tactic in combat to beat them

 

My complaint about Dark Souls are

- there is no crafting potions, poisons, traps and such things

- the game depends on meta knowledge to beat

- NPCs are always talking in cryptic manner making me lost interest with them

- the lore and story is what you thought as lore and story, your own theory

- you might ask yourself in the middle of the game on "why i am doing what i am doing, why i am here and what the hell i am doing? Why i even care?"

- you cannot fail, dying is just overrated, you can always live again and success in the end

- no save mechanic

- playing with PC need to install some mods

- i never like mass multiplayer online players NEGATIVE culture in gaming

[Teabaggin Krogan]

Dark Souls is better in many ways...

What do you mean by negative culture in multiplayer? The souls games are hardly mmo style since you can connect with only a limited no of players online.

[Qis]

What do you mean by negative culture in multiplayer? The souls games are hardly mmo style since you can connect with only a limited no of players online.

 

Hacking, bullying, trolling...just a few...racism, harrasment...whining, egocentric, ect....

 

Just take a look at You Tube....

[GoldenGail3]

Hacking, bullying, trolling...just a few...racism, harrasment...whining, egocentric, ect....
 
Just take a look at You Tube....

I like the YouTube people...

[Teabaggin Krogan]

Hacking, bullying, trolling...just a few...racism, harrasment...whining, egocentric, ect....

 

Just take a look at You Tube....

While I agree that hacking is just plain bad, the rest is just a part of the pvp atmosphere. Hell might even be fun, if you can deal with it but that's just my opinion.

[Serza]

As opposed to the Fetchquester, I find DA interesting, with a compelling story (No, bedding a woman in the first hour of the game is not how I picture romance...).

 

I also seem to think that BioWare seem to respect some of your decisions with a little-meaning outcome for the sequel. In the Witcher, I heard they just retcon half your save import.

[Qis]

While I agree that hacking is just plain bad, the rest is just a part of the pvp atmosphere. Hell might even be fun, if you can deal with it but that's just my opinion.

 

I don't like PvP in gaming, Co-Op is still okay...but you know some Co-Op players are just trolling...and now i hear they have disguise mechanic, disguise as friends but they really are invaders, that will make it worse

[Teabaggin Krogan]

As opposed to the Fetchquester, I find DA interesting, with a compelling story (No, bedding a woman in the first hour of the game is not how I picture romance...).

 

I also seem to think that BioWare seem to respect some of your decisions with a little-meaning outcome for the sequel. In the Witcher, I heard they just retcon half your save import.

Well in TW3 you don't really bed anyone in the first hour if I remember correctly but if you were referring to the initial scene with Yen, it's part of the backstory as the series is after all based on the books.  Also as far as I know, your previous saves do matter in the witcher and can lead to different interactions in the sequel. IMHO you should probably play the game before judging it yourself. 

 

 

I don't like PvP in gaming, Co-Op is still okay...but you know some Co-Op players are just trolling...and now i hear they have disguise mechanic, disguise as friends but they really are invaders, that will make it worse

Yeah I get what you're saying, to each his own I guess. Sure sometimes it can be a bit irritating but when it's well done trolling can be pretty funny and I tend to appreciate them even when I'm on the receiving end.

             Also as for the disguised invader thing, you'll always get a notification saying that you got invaded by so and so. It's pretty hard to be fooled if you then see the said invader walking up to you disguised as a friendly, however friendly he might act. Besides that the host has plenty of advantages against the invader as well, so its pretty much an even playing field.

[Serza]

If after so much praise, and watching so many let's plays, I say I am not interested... it probably means something. And I'm unwilling to shell money out for something I don't find remotely interesting.