Since all the talented people have long ago abandoned this company, and EA is allergic to hardcore RPGs a Dragon Age Origins type sequel will never happen. Inquisition was originally a multiplayer only game if that doesn't tell you how detached Bioware is from it's few remaining fans.
What talented people are you talking about? I read the credits of all three games. It appears that most of the talented peoplewho made DAO are the same talented people who made DAI and DA2.
Better yet,go back to their Neverwinter Nights(Diamond Edition) roots. If you've ever played that game you'll know what I mean...I do think Neverwinter Nights(Diamond Edition) is the prime of BioWare...DAO(Ultimate Edition) too is the second highlight of BioWare...You can even see the shadows of NWN everywhere in DAO,and then you look at DAI...damn,what happened??! 
Better yet,go back to their Neverwinter Nights(Diamond Edition) roots.
I think the Neverwinter Nights OC is easily the worst thing BioWare ever made. Fingers crossed they never make anything that dull again. (The expansions were somewhat better, though.)
I think the Neverwinter Nights OC is easily the worst thing BioWare ever made. Fingers crossed they never make anything that dull again. (The expansions were somewhat better, though.)
Agreed. Replayed it a few months ago and it is so bad, so very very boring. The expansions are great though.
The multiplayer "local vault" RP was the only reason I spent 7 straight years playing Neverwinter Nights. That, and the easiest toolset I've ever used.
But wait... Jade Empire is worse, imo. The beginning put me to sleep, so I couldn't make it very far. It also has less than KotOR in terms of character creation options too.
No way. Jade Empire is so much better than NWN, it's incomparable. From a writing POV, it's probably one of the best things Bioware ever put out. Gameplay is bad, and the morality system is screw-y, but it's one of the most well-done/structured and originally things they put out.
The OC is garbage. So is SoU. Really only HoTU is good. JE is probably better than DA2 and ME1-3. DA:I is so alien to everything Bioware's ever done before that it's hard to rank. It's kind of it's own thing. \
I get you like MP, but that's a bit like saying ME3 is the best ME game because of its MP.
It took me forever to get into NWN, but I don't hate it. I'm a bigger JE fan too though.
And I don't care for MP. I just play RPGs for the escapism. I played PnP a little more when I was younger, but we were partly using that as an excuse to get drunk. There was still an element of real socializing to it. Not something with strangers over the net.
I wasn't comparing Jade Empire to MP. Even the OC is better, in my opinion.No way. Jade Empire is so much better than NWN, it's incomparable. From a writing POV, it's probably one of the best things Bioware ever put out. Gameplay is bad, and the morality system is screw-y, but it's one of the most well-done/structured and originally things they put out.
The OC is garbage. So is SoU. Really only HoTU is good. JE is probably better than DA2 and ME1-3. DA:I is so alien to everything Bioware's ever done before that it's hard to rank. It's kind of it's own thing. \
I get you like MP, but that's a bit like saying ME3 is the best ME game because of its MP.
I think the Neverwinter Nights OC is easily the worst thing BioWare ever made.
Say what you will,NWN still is one of the greatest games in history,a pioneer for 3D RPG games...hate all you want...The worst thing BioWare ever made was MDK2,my god it was bad.
Say what you will,NWN still is one of the greatest games in history,a pioneer for 3D RPG games...hate all you want...The worst thing BioWare ever made was MDK2,my god it was bad.
What was wrong with it? Or did you not like the first MDK or shooters like that? Because it's fun enough, for what it is. And there weren't many 3rd person games then either.
One good thing about both games is that was when Bioware focused on a single game at a time.. they both had some of the better parts of DA and ME teams at once.
One good thing about both games is that was when Bioware focused on a single game at a time.. they both had some of the better parts of DA and ME teams at once.
I think Bioware should go and make another KOTOR game...
I won't complain..
I'm looking forward to whatever this other game is though... not Bioware, but Amy Hennig is doing some Star Wars thing, I think.
I won't complain..
I'm looking forward to whatever this other game is though... not Bioware, but Amy Hennig is doing some Star Wars thing, I think.
But they were awesome at making KOTOR. KOTOR2 was really just meh - I don't blame Obisan - but man, it was so cringeworthy - I wonder why my Revan allows her ship to be stolen? Why did the Exile have Revan's ship? Where's Revan? Why doesn't my Revan have her ship?
(Just some questions about all of KOTOR2 and how I didn't think that made much sense.)
Although, I think that everyone from DA and ME's fan bases would go to KOTOR if they made a new game though...
I liked Kotor 2 up until the buggy end... I hated Obsidian back then, also for NWN2.. But they got better.
I liked Kotor 2 up until the buggy end... I hated Obsidian back then, also for NWN2.. But they got better.
Eventually. Otherwise Fallout New Vegas wouldn't have existed.. And btw, what did happen to Obsidan. Bethusda and Bioware seem to be taking over there games.
Obsidian recently made Pillars of Eternity on their own... I guess they're getting away from big publishers.
Fallout was bought by Bethesda from Black Isle or whatever. They let Obsidian make New Vegas after FO3.
Obsidian also just announced a new project called Tyranny, and isometric RPG set in a world where the Evil Empire has already won and the PC works for them. There are also rumours that Pillars of Eternity 2 will be along eventually.
Obsidian also just announced a new project called Tyranny, and isometric RPG set in a world where the Evil Empire has already won and the PC works for them. There are also rumours that Pillars of Eternity 2 will be along eventually.
Just curious. I don't really look at gaming news; its of no importance for me, lol.
I don't either.. but I heard about that Tyranny game here the other day. I'm not sure Obsidian has said much about it though.
I miss the high fantasy tone of Origins. It's one of the reasons I keep coming back. Yes, I prefer dark fantasy, but we have many imitations of that now, with almost no one getting it right. I like that Origins evoked the 80s when D&D was still a thing and it was all escapism.
I miss the high fantasy tone of Origins. It's one of the reasons I keep coming back. Yes, I prefer dark fantasy, but we have many imitations of that now, with almost no one getting it right. I like that Origins evoked the 80s when D&D was still a thing and it was all escapism.
I think the high fantasy elements still exist, especially in DAI. It's worse than it ever was.
What it lost is the dark parts.. or any down to earthness, especially for the hero. Now the hero is pure high fantasy... like Bethesda stories.. down to being a prisoner with amnesia, randomly saving the world "just because"... they have no other prerogative or reason for existence other than being some vessel for Heroism. To me, that's the worst kind of High Fantasy... where the whole world needs saving from the Big Bad Dark Lord. And the hero is a nobody who touched the Ancient Object of Power.
Granted, some of their other games do this too.. but they hid it better.. it was never so blatantly childish.
I miss the high fantasy tone of Origins. It's one of the reasons I keep coming back. Yes, I prefer dark fantasy, but we have many imitations of that now, with almost no one getting it right. I like that Origins evoked the 80s when D&D was still a thing and it was all escapism.
I'm not sure what you see as high fantasy? I thought the closest we've ever gotten to what I would consider high fantasy in this series is, say, Descent or Trespasser - but then I look to that idea as very tied to Tolkien, and therefore being supernatural and mythical in nature. Not, basically, Conan.
I'm not sure what you see as high fantasy? I thought the closest we've ever gotten to what I would consider high fantasy in this series is, say, Descent or Trespasser - but then I look to that idea as very tied to Tolkien, and therefore being supernatural and mythical in nature. Not, basically, Conan.
I haven't played Tresspasser or Descent, but I'll like your post anyways. Because the main game is a high fantasy template too. Especially, as you say, compared to Conan. But then, most fantasy writers aren't influenced by Howard.
Even the plot, on an abstract level, is the same thing... the fellowship, the one ring that causes anguish and a great mission thrust on someone (the rift mark), the dark lord taking over the world.. This is every high fantasy plot.
DAO had high fantasy trappings, but it avoided the main gist of it with the Origin stories.. and with Ostagar. You're just a soldier where things went belly up. And your motive for continuing the Warden mission is varied. Maybe your character feels guilt or needs redemption, maybe they're a Cousland and the last of their line, maybe a CE who just wants to get his family safe, or maybe they're like Morrigan and see an opportunity for power. There's no Chosen One thing going on either way. And the Archdemon is less important than Loghain. Which is far more interesting.
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