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[Steelcan]

I'd just like to thank OP for giving me a new really liked post

[Draining Dragon]

I'd just like to thank OP for giving me a new really liked post

[SnakeCode]

I don't see why it should matter. Unless there's an actual chance to get into your pants in RL.

 

First Maia047 now MacDeath. Any women left on the BSN that you haven't casually tried to hit on?

[DaemionMoadrin]

First Maia047 now MacDeath. Any women left on the BSN that you haven't casually tried to hit on?

 

All of them.

 

I don't "hit on" women here at all. I also don't see why I should defend my comments, it's you who misinterprets them.

[Malthier]

I thought this thread was going to be about something else.

[SnakeCode]

Lol.

[Lady Artifice]

This thread reads like a large scale pissing match, but one where everyone seems just slightly confused.

[DaemionMoadrin]

This thread reads like a large scale pissing match, but one where everyone seems just slightly confused.

 

 

That's a good description.

 

But as long as it is entertaining...

[straykat]

This thread reads like a large scale pissing match, but one where everyone seems just slightly confused.

 

I am confused at least.

 

When I think of submissive, I think of people who cave in to their own kids. And just make bad deals and never leverage themselves.

 

Why that's attractive to some, I don't know.

[Gramorla]

I'am so tired of this... coming to this forum for new information an finding only this kind of "screaming into the void" threads.   

 

At this point in the productioncycle of the game, nearly nothing will or can be modified. Bioware is putting the final polish on the game, so its to late for change and too early for guesses about the next title

[DaemionMoadrin]

I am confused at least.

 

When I think of submissive, I think of people who cave in to their own kids. And just make bad deals and never leverage themselves.

 

Why that's attractive to some, I don't know.

 

Uh... that's not wrong... but also not correct either.

 

May I recommend you look up the definitions of the word and look how it might fit into a relationship? Possibly taking alternative lifestyles into account?

[creeptool]

 I'm simply being vocal about my desire 

and what is it you desire to be a dominatrixs?  

[straykat]

Uh... that's not wrong... but also not correct either.

 

May I recommend you look up the definitions of the word and look how it might fit into a relationship? Possibly taking alternative lifestyles into account?

 

If I'm partly right, it's good enough for my own experience. I have no interest in alternative lifestyles or anything. Maybe it's a game and not real submission. That would be another subject. Either way, it's not one of my tastes and I don't plan to hook up with anyone who cares for it.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

There is no direct relationship between the "submissive," as part of a sexual relationship, and a person who is "submissive" in their daily lives.

 

That does not mean that a single person cannot be an example of both, but it does mean that there is no inherent reason that someone who is submissive as a co-worker would also be so in the bedroom, or vice-versa. They are essentially distinct traits, as related as they may be in some ways.

 

Someone who is a "submissive" in a sexual relationship with another person may well have a very dominant, or even arrogant personality in other areas of their lives. There are also people who are examples of both, who prefer to step into one role or the other as the desires shift, sexually speaking.

 

While the two share meanings, they have very different connotations when applied to someone generally, as opposed to within the context of a sexual relationship.

[SentinelMacDeath]

I also don't know why people think Kaidan is to be considered "weak". He's doing his job, Shep is his CO and you don't just go around disobeying orders unless you want to be discharged. 

[Seboist]

50 shades of grey only sold so many copies because it got a ridiculous amount of media attention. Like it's the only BDSM themed story in the world. It's a **** book and a bad representation for the BDSM community. #rantover

 

Well, I'd rather not speculate on why my aunt read it. 

[straykat]

I also don't know why people think Kaidan is to be considered "weak". He's doing his job, Shep is his CO and you don't just go around disobeying orders unless you want to be discharged. 

 

I don't think he's submissive exactly. Not one of my favorites for being a little.....I don't know. There's a crowd of characters that worships the ground Shep walks on. Kaidan is probably in it. And Ash outright calls them a god. Or something. I forgot.

 

Others are more headstrong. I like them more. Jack, Miranda, Wrex, Grunt, Aria, Javik, etc..

 

I daresay even Samara falls in the same category as Kaidan. Powerful matriarch who still makes too much of a big deal out of the "Shepard".

[Lady Artifice]

I am confused at least.

 

When I think of submissive, I think of people who cave in to their own kids. And just make bad deals and never leverage themselves.

 

Why that's attractive to some, I don't know.

 

There are so many different possible angles a person might be looking at this. A lot of people came in here assuming the topic might have something to do with BDSM, and in that case the submissive is the one who enjoys granting control to someone else in the bedroom. "Granting" is pretty key there. That same person might have more authority in other aspects of the relationship.

 

I personally oppose the definition of submissive = weak primarily because of how often things like gentleness and compassion are lumped into that category. Dominance equating to strength and submissiveness equating to weakness is too black and white a distinction for my taste, especially considering how subjective the terms are.

 

For my part, I disagree with the OP. I wouldn't consider a woman who did the things described there to be strong. I would consider her to be a bully. I don't think bullying is a sign of strength, no matter the gender(s) involved.

[straykat]

There are so many different possible angles a person might be looking at this. A lot of people came in here assuming the topic might have something to do with BDSM, and in that case the submissive is the one who enjoys granting control to someone else in the bedroom. "Granting" is pretty key there. That same person might have more authority in other aspects of the relationship.

 

I personally oppose the definition of submissive = weak primarily because of how often things like gentleness and compassion are lumped into that category. Dominance equating to strength and submissiveness equating to weakness is too black and white a distinction for my taste, especially considering how subjective the terms are.

 

For my part, I disagree with the OP. I wouldn't consider a woman who did the things described there to be strong. I would consider her to be a bully. I don't think bullying is a sign of strength, no matter the gender(s) involved.

 

The OP, however, illustrates a different.

 

Gentleness and compassion are cool. But to me, they're mostly about real actions. Real affect on people's lives.. helping the poor or sick, for example. Being gentle isn't about interpersonal niceties to me, per se. Especially the kind where you end up with a raw deal.

[Xen]

If anyone Garrus is the submissive. He displays it with two seperate women. Taken out of context one could even call Tali's behaviour towards him abusive, but even femshep's just using him at first, too.

 

Not good enough, though, because we can't humiliate him in front of the entire crew. Plus he's kinda a gross bug monster thing and it's weird.

[Gothfather]

What is it with people and projection of their own issues onto the protagonist?

 

EVERY FRAKING romance Bioware makes is with the player in the dominate role. So if you think Bioware is forcing you to play a "weak female character" that is YOU projecting your own insecurities and your own weaknesses onto Shepard, Hawke, the warden or the Inquisitor. None of those Characters where weak females. In every case it the Player that dominates and steers the pace and direction of the romance. It is the player that dictates if the relationship will continues to progress or is ended. The player has all the power they are the dominate member of the relationship.

 

So I suggest Bioware IGNORE the OP as there isn't any facts to base their premiss upon.

 

[Edit] I actually suspect that this OP is a troll. I also suspect the gender of the OP to be the same as my own trying to create "evidence" of the unreasonable feminist. Of all the things an actual feminist could level at Bioware "weak female" protagonist isn't one of them. Which furthers my original believe of projection even more.

 

To the OP keep signing those petitions against the latest Mad max film and the petition against the force awakens for not having a strong white male lead. We white males really need your protection.

[Lady Artifice]

Gentleness and compassion are cool. But to me, they're mostly about real actions. Real affect on people's lives.. helping the poor or sick, for example. Being gentle isn't about interpersonal niceties to me, per se. Especially the kind where you end up with a raw deal.

 

It's definitely not a entirely one or the other thing. I very much believe in the possibillity of being both kind and firm, but I agree that there's a blurry line between being nice and being a doormat.

 

On balance, I think there's room for a little of both. The film "Lincoln" keeps jumping into my head, and the contrast between the title character's gentle demeanor and Thaddeus Stevens Bombasticity. I think the film is better for showcasing both, just like I think politics were better for having both.

 

For me, it's not about categorizing one tact as better than the other. Both have their place.

[Draining Dragon]

Never change, BSN.

[Joseph Warrick]

Never change, BSN.

 

Actually could you improve a bit BSN? Thanks.

[straykat]

It's definitely not a entirely one or the other thing. I very much believe in the possibillity of being both kind and firm, but I agree that there's a blurry line between being nice and being a doormat.

 

On balance, I think there's room for a little of both. The film "Lincoln" keeps jumping into my head, and the contrast between the title character's gentle demeanor and Thaddeus Stevens Bombasticity. I think the film is better for showcasing both, just like I think politics were better for having both.

 

For me, it's not about categorizing one tact as better than the other. Both have their place.

 

Lincoln sounded like a very gentle man.. with the toughest job ever. I don't think he liked it and seemed pretty depressive. So I'm not sure I'd admire it exactly.

 

But point taken.

 

edit:

I'll hold up Joan of Arc as my favorite wartorn figure with the heart of gold. Have you ever read her letters? She isn't nice at all (and I don't mean that lame version in the Messenger ).