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[jds1bio]

I'm also not a fan of this. I never played the DAO DLC Leliana's Song or The Darkspawn Chronicles for the sole reason that I wasn't interested in playing a DLC where I wasn't controlling my PC. The only way I would play such a DLC were if it were known that it featured some really important lore bits that were vial to my understanding or appreciation of the main game.

 

That's ok, it just an idea.  One day I may feel as if "it seemed like a good idea at the time" about it myself.  You make some good points about what you want from DLC.

[Nefla]

I never said that that is what they intended, but it is my preference. We've been hearing about Tevinter for three games now, with 2/3 of those games having a follower who was from there. I don't want to experience it as an outsider.

A dual protagonist would be my ultimate preference; the best of both worlds.

But what if your preference is never realized? They don't have a track record for making the PC a native of where the game was set. Two out of 3 games have had the protagonist be from the setting of the previous game. I don't think they're good at showing an insider perspective and so if DA4 has a new protagonist it will likely be someone from Orlais, Ferelden, or the Free Marches rather than Tevinter based on what they've done in the past.

 

I too do not want to experience the Tevinter setting as an outsider which is why I want the dual protagonists scenario rather than the returning protagonist scenario. If it comes down to a returning protagonist or a new protagonist then I'd be in favor of the latter.

 

This is especially because my hope is that the next protagonist will be a new slave or someone of a low status in society.   
 

What if it came down to an existing protagonist vs a new Orlesian protagonist?

 

For the love of all that is holy, I want to be a Tevinter slave. I always love the story of a city elf. It's my favorite origin, and I hope to be a city elf instead of a Dalish. It's a lot more refreshing than the typical secluded mysterious elves living in the forest that we see many times over. I want to be a part of Tevinter but at the same time and outsider. I don't want to be the Inquisitor. The Inquisitor's personality is pretty bland, and there would be problem with bringing back previous characters LIs, and I don't want them to bring them back, their fate can be very different, and it would be easier to start a clean slate with all new character. It was weird how they transition between ME1 to ME2 and ME3 in turn of relationship. From reading the OP, I feel like this has more to do with people wanting to continue to romance with Solas than it has to do with wanting the Inquisitor to be back. Plus, DA series is about the entire Thedas, so different heroes rises up at different times when there is trouble, it's not about a single hero saving the entire world. 

If the writers can't fix the problem with bland and neutral dialogue they had in DA:I when bringing back the inquisitor then they wont be able to fix it with a new protagonist. Either both will be bland or neither will. Also if you think DA4 will have a clean slate you haven't been paying attention I guarantee there will be a flood of cameos, some returning companions, the main villain and conflict is even carried over. At least if we play the inquisitor these will actually make sense rather than making the world feel tiny and feeling like out of place fanservice.

 

PS: You can keep your assumptions about people wanting to play the inquisitor again because Solas is our twoo wuv or some such, they are incorrect. Unless you're intentionally using that excuse to try and devalue the arguments of people who want to play the inquisitor again..?

[Heimdall]

I actually really want to play a qunari (Note the small q).

With the invasion and taking place in Tevinter, this seems like a great opportunity to expand on the dragon lore of the setting and exploring their connection to the kossith.

[KaiserShep]

I actually really want to play a qunari (Note the small q).

With the invasion and taking place in Tevinter, this seems like a great opportunity to expand on the dragon lore of the setting and exploring their connection to the kossith.

I guess the real problem comes down to class selection. This is workable with warriors and rogues, but not so much mages. 

[Heimdall]

I guess the real problem comes down to class selection. This is workable with warriors and rogues, but not so much mages.

I had an idea around that. What if we played a qunari slave captured in a Tevinter raid as a child, kept as a prize by a magister and raised in his/her household? That would work for all three classes, the magister might give the Mage training purely to spite qunari tradition.

[Shechinah]

I guess the real problem comes down to class selection. This is workable with warriors and rogues, but not so much mages. 

 

 How so? I believe Tevinter makes slaves of mages and qunari so I see no reason why class selection would be an issue.

 

Unless it is about Qunari bit because I believe Heimdall meant Qunari as in the qunari race, not Qunari as in followers of the Qun.
 

[Iakus]

^ As much as I would like to play an altus, we've had enough human nobles in these games. Time for something else. They originally had a barbarian-type origin for DAO but had to scrap it.

Yeah an Avvar from the Frostbacks.

 

Also a human commoner, a farmer from Redcliffe.

[nightscrawl]

But what if your preference is never realized? They don't have a track record for making the PC a native of where the game was set. Two out of 3 games have had the protagonist be from the setting of the previous game. I don't think they're good at showing an insider perspective and so if DA4 has a new protagonist it will likely be someone from Orlais, Ferelden, or the Free Marches rather than Tevinter based on what they've done in the past.

Well, I'd be bummed out. I'm not holding out hope for anything, nor expecting anything specific. We'll get what we get. I'll buy it regardless.

[Nefla]

Well, I'd be bummed out. I'm not holding out hope for anything, nor expecting anything specific. We'll get what we get. I'll buy it regardless.

Yeah I think it's best for none of us to get our hopes up for anything specific

[Shechinah]

I know but I'm having trouble settling my hopes for the next protagonist to start out a slave because the Tevinter setting is about the only setting in Dragon Age that allows for the oppertunity to explore it from the perspective of the player character.

 

As the song goes: "Though hope is frail, it's hard to kill."

[Battlebloodmage]

But what if your preference is never realized? They don't have a track record for making the PC a native of where the game was set. Two out of 3 games have had the protagonist be from the setting of the previous game. I don't think they're good at showing an insider perspective and so if DA4 has a new protagonist it will likely be someone from Orlais, Ferelden, or the Free Marches rather than Tevinter based on what they've done in the past.

 

What if it came down to an existing protagonist vs a new Orlesian protagonist?

 

If the writers can't fix the problem with bland and neutral dialogue they had in DA:I when bringing back the inquisitor then they wont be able to fix it with a new protagonist. Either both will be bland or neither will. Also if you think DA4 will have a clean slate you haven't been paying attention I guarantee there will be a flood of cameos, some returning companions, the main villain and conflict is even carried over. At least if we play the inquisitor these will actually make sense rather than making the world feel tiny and feeling like out of place fanservice.

 

PS: You can keep your assumptions about people wanting to play the inquisitor again because Solas is our twoo wuv or some such, they are incorrect. Unless you're intentionally using that excuse to try and devalue the arguments of people who want to play the inquisitor again..?

More like the assumption about the OP, not everyone in general, I just find it pedantic to keep adding most or some all the time. The cameos and people in it have no relation to the new protagonist, so I wouldn't mind. Seeing as I'm certain the new protagonist will be new, this is more likely just a wishful thread in the end anyway. 

[BansheeOwnage]

I was fine going from DAO to DA2 with a new protag, since the Warden got Awakenings and his/her story felt pretty much over by that point.

Going from DA2 to DAI felt like something was missing without Hawke... but I understood it couldn't be helped since the expansion was cancelled and they did the best they could to bridge the story arc, considering. But I would rather not see them do that again, given the choice and opportunity to actually continue where DAI left off. That doesn't mean they need to drag the Inquisitor on forever for the rest of the series.... but if DA4 deals heavily with Solas and DAI plot lines then I really don't want to start all over again with a random nobody.

If DA4 takes place years in the future with a mostly unrelated plot line and different main villian, then fine, new protag would be better, with maybe just a cameo if it makes sense. I don't understand why they would do that though, after opening things back up in Tresspasser, unless they really think DA needs to change directions and be reboot again for some reason.

I was going to say something very similar before I saw that you already did, ha. Basically, I'm starting to have fatigue set in regarding the whole new protagonist deal. I've called it "character whiplash" in the past. You start, build up your character, and when they're finally fleshed out - when their relationships are finally fleshed out - you restart. Honestly, that's a sort of hell. The concept I mean, the whole restarting just as or just before you actually do something worthwhile.

 

DA:O was great. Then we needed to have a new protagonist in DA2, and while there was definitely some "Who is this Hawke person? Where is my Warden?" I understood, because the Warden could die. It's not the end of the world. Then we had DA:I the Inquisitor, and it really started to get grating for me. Then Hawke actually showed up in the game, and all I could think was "Why can't I just play as them?!" I was more optimistic before I actually played it, but when I was done, and I felt my Inquisitor was barely a character, unlike my Warden or Hawke, that didn't help at all either.

 

And now we may start anew for the fourth time, and I don't have any optimism left. This system adds nothing of value to me. I can see the appeal in theory, but I don't think we've gotten anything out of it in practice. Just a bunch of characters, relationships, and stories that can't ever be explored enough to fulfill their potential.

 

Obviously, all of the above is very subjective. That was my experience.

 

I think it just opens the door for an interesting dual protagonist scenario, because I do agree with you that the Inquisitor needs to be involved in DAI in a preferably controllable state. But I don't want another ME, I enjoy DA for what it is and I don't want it shifting to mimic their other games (I have ME for more ME when I want that)

I'm glad you can still do that. My interest in ME has been crushed, beaten, thrown out a window, burnt, reassembled, and stomped on. Even if I want to play the first game, I can't, because I know what happens later. *World's biggest sigh* I loved that series. So for me, Dragon Age is a bit like "A New Hope", since it's in a similar style and made by some of the same people. But I really miss having a recurring protagonist and characters, because that was one of the main reasons I loved it so much. Oh well.

 

For the love of all that is holy, I want to be a Tevinter slave.

For my personal tastes to be satisfied, Bioware would have to find a very delicate balance here. If a slave origin is mandatory, I don't think I could stand it being overly horrible. That would definitely kill my desire to start playing at all.

 

Secondly, it's a big assumption we are going to be spending the whole game in Tevinter, if we are hunting Solas, and especially if Eluvians are involved. We might be hoping around to several new locations, for all we know.

I think you're right about that (the eluvian sections were cool in Trespasser, and made for unique gameplay), but I'm also hoping we'll get to travel conventionally to at least one other country, like how DA:I was in Orlais and Ferelden.

[Abyss108]

I'd rather have the Inquisitor than any kind of Tevinter background (and I've always wanted some kind of Tevinter background from the start). We can have a Tevinter background and an insider perspective in any game Bioware ever makes. We won't have the opportunity to have an entire game's worth of background with the villain again.

[sjsharp2011]

Well, I'd be bummed out. I'm not holding out hope for anything, nor expecting anything specific. We'll get what we get. I'll buy it regardless.

 

 

Yeah I think I would as well as I've alwasys enjoyed  the DA stories so far they've always been well written  just as most of Bioware's games are

[Nefla]

I was going to say something very similar before I saw that you already did, ha. Basically, I'm starting to have fatigue set in regarding the whole new protagonist deal. I've called it "character whiplash" in the past. You start, build up your character, and when they're finally fleshed out - when their relationships are finally fleshed out - you restart. Honestly, that's a sort of hell. The concept I mean, the whole restarting just as or just before you actually do something worthwhile.

 

DA:O was great. Then we needed to have a new protagonist in DA2, and while there was definitely some "Who is this Hawke person? Where is my Warden?" I understood, because the Warden could die. It's not the end of the world. Then we had DA:I the Inquisitor, and it really started to get grating for me. Then Hawke actually showed up in the game, and all I could think was "Why can't I just play as them?!" I was more optimistic before I actually played it, but when I was done, and I felt my Inquisitor was barely a character, unlike my Warden or Hawke, that didn't help at all either.

 

And now we may start anew for the fourth time, and don't have any optimism left. This system adds nothing of value to me. I can see the appeal in theory, but I don't think we've gotten anything out of it in practice. Just a bunch of characters, relationships, and stories that can't ever be explored enough to fulfill their potential.

 

Obviously, all of the above is very subjective. That was my experience.

 

I'm glad you can still do that. My interest in ME has been crushed, beaten, thrown out a window, burnt, reassembled, and stomped on. Even if I want to play the first game, I can't, because I know what happens later. *World's biggest sigh* I loved that series. So for me, Dragon Age is a bit like me "A New Hope", since it's in a similar style and made by some of the same people. But I really miss having a recurring protagonist and characters, because that was one of the main reasons I loved it so much. Oh well.

 

For my personal tastes to be satisfied, Bioware would have to find a very delicate balance here. If a slave origin is mandatory, I don't think I could stand it being overly horrible. That would definitely kill my desire to start playing at all.

 

I think you're right about that (the eluvian sections were cool in Trespasser, and made for unique gameplay), but I'm also hoping we'll get to travel conventionally to at least one other country, like how DA:I was in Orlais and Ferelden.

I feel the same way (about Mass Effect as well, ME3 crushed all affection I had for the series and now I can't even bring myself to play the first two which I loved let alone care about any new installments that come out). It would be one thing if DA were like the earlier Final Fantasy games where each one is set in a different world with different cultures and problems and characters but they feel the need to bring everything back. Everything moves forward except the protagonist. Then you have the fact that the DA games are set so closely together in time and it's like "why is this new random grunt taking over when the previous hero is still around? More importantly, why are the previous hero's companions now with the new grunt? Why is the previous hero's nemesis fighting the new grunt instead with the previous hero nowhere to be seen?" Seriously, stop jerking us around. Either continue the same story with the same hero, same conflict, antagonist, companions, etc...or write a new story that has nothing to do with the previous hero or their companions or rival or conflict. It doesn't make sense and doesn't make for a good story to keep everything but randomly replace only the protagonist because you have a "rule."

[BansheeOwnage]

I'd rather have the Inquisitor than any kind of Tevinter background (and I've always wanted some kind of Tevinter background from the start). We can have a Tevinter background and an insider perspective in any game Bioware ever makes. We won't have the opportunity to have an entire game's worth of background with the villain again.

It's bad timing, I guess. Maybe, if Inquisition didn't have half of its plot cut, we'd have faced down Solas in the south (and eluvian places) and really been able to have a clean slate for going to Tevinter in DA4. Maybe they're now merging the idea of going to Tevinter and fighting Solas simply because they basically need to do both now.

 

Still, experiencing Tevinter as the Inquisitor in DA4, then as an insider in DA5 makes some sense in a meta sort of way, since the players will have a deeper understanding of Tevinter after playing DA4 as an outsider. They could establish the groundwork of Tevinter culture in a way where the protagonist has excuses not to know things, then have an insider game where you do know things.

[CardButton]

 

If the writers can't fix the problem with bland and neutral dialogue they had in DA:I when bringing back the inquisitor then they wont be able to fix it with a new protagonist. Either both will be bland or neither will. Also if you think DA4 will have a clean slate you haven't been paying attention I guarantee there will be a flood of cameos, some returning companions, the main villain and conflict is even carried over. At least if we play the inquisitor these will actually make sense rather than making the world feel tiny and feeling like out of place fanservice.

LOL yup!    Safe bet if we're going to Tevinter we'll be getting Dorian at least.  Sten (Stenishok) is a very real possibility if we deal with the Qunari at all.  Solas for sure if he is in fact an antagonist and considering the scale of the threat he poses he will be THE main Antagonist.  If the new PC is working for the Inquisitor Scout Harding could happen as she moves around a ton already and is remarkably hard to track because of that factor; and last I checked Shale was thought to be  in the Tevinter area as well.  Then there is Fenris ... 

 

Sorry folks if a truly clean break from the South is what you desire for the new PC I don't see that happening it Tevinter. 

[Battlebloodmage]

LOL yup!    Safe bet if we're going to Tevinter we'll be getting Dorian at least.  Sten (Stenishok) is a very real possibility if we deal with the Qunari at all.  Solas for sure if he is in fact an antagonist and considering the scale of the threat he poses he will be THE main Antagonist.  If the new PC is working for the Inquisitor Scout Harding could happen as she moves around a ton already and is remarkably hard to track because of that factor; and last I checked Shale was thought to be  in the Tevinter area as well.  Then there is Venris ... 

 

Sorry folks if a truly clean break from the South is what you desire for the new PC I don't see that happening it Tevinter. 

Clean break as in relationship with the PC. I don't care if they appear because they would be a stranger. 

[KaiserShep]

What if it came down to an existing protagonist vs a new Orlesian protagonist?

 

My gut reaction would be to recoil in disgust at the idea, but I suspect that if BioWare dared to do such a thing, they'd probably get someone that won't have a terrible accent, but still, screw Orlais. 

[BansheeOwnage]

My gut reaction would be to recoil in disgust at the idea, but I suspect that if BioWare dared to do such a thing, they'd probably get someone that won't have a terrible accent, but still, screw Orlais. 

STRRRROOOOOOOOUD!

 

*Ahem*

 

 

Don't know about the female protagonist though.

[CardButton]

Clean break as in relationship with the PC. I don't care if they appear because they would be a stranger. 

But surely a previous relationship with the PC could only serve to benefit both Dorian and Solas narratively, as neither are exactly approachable by a new PC (one is a secretive villain and the other is very high society Magister).  As for Harding, I would actually would like to develop more of a relationship with her on many of my Quizzys. Shale, Fenris and Sten don't have any previous relationship with the Inquisitor, so they don't really play a factor either way.

 

Also I totally forgot one!  Calpernia!  She is a radical proponent of Tevinter reform and is not confirmed to have died in any version of Inquisition, it would be cool to see her again.

[Nefla]

My gut reaction would be to recoil in disgust at the idea, but I suspect that if BioWare dared to do such a thing, they'd probably get someone that won't have a terrible accent, but still, screw Orlais. 

They would definitely go with a VA that has a real French accent rather than the ridiculous fake ones that so many of the Orlesian NPCs have but still. If we're going to be an outsider anyway, I'd rather be the one that's connected with the villain, conflict, and returning characters.

[Battlebloodmage]

But surely a previous relationship with the PC could only serve to benefit both Dorian and Solas narratively, as neither are exactly approachable by a new PC (one is a secretive villain and the other is very high society Magister).  As for Harding, I would actually would like to develop more of a relationship with her on many of my Quizzys. Shale, Vanris and Sten don't have any previous relationship with the Inquisitor, so they don't really play a factor either way.

 

Also I totally forgot one!  Calpernia!  She is a radical proponent of Tevinter reform and is not confirmed to have died in any version of Inquisition, it would be cool to see her again.

Romantically, if Dorian is the gay option again, I'm gonna scream. For friendship, I don't see anything other than superficial referencing here and there. I would rather for them not to take into account whether we're friends or enemies or a bunch of variable with the returning characters. I would rather for them to make a strong concrete story without having to worry about stuffs carrying over from the previous game. I don't see it having a big impact with relationship or not. Inquisitor seems to already have closure. intentionally bring them back by reattaching an arm somehow, then handwave a bunch of stuffs with the inquisition being disbanded or reformed just make it very confusing. That is also having to referencing a whole bunch of stuffs that different in Trespass that varied wildly. This is why the Trespass is the last DLC, it gives a lot of variables that have the previous companions and relationship different greatly. No, I'm ok with new protagonist, the less they have to worry about stuffs carried over the better. I would rather not to have choices being handwaved to make it fit into the narrative. Bioware is not really good with writing continuous story, and the budget can't allow them to do big changes on choices. New slate is probably allowed more freedom in referencing stuffs that happen off-screen than having the Inquisitor actively being used. 

[nightscrawl]

Just FYI, CardButton, it's Fenris, not Vanris.

[CardButton]

Just FYI, CardButton, it's Fenris, not Vanris.

Thanks, I was writing in a bit of a rush and wasn't paying attention. :3  I'll fix em.