Ha, you made me chuckle
Alistair, Destroyer of Worlds:
Ahhhhhhhh, in different ways that Alistair does...
Ha, you made me chuckle
Alistair, Destroyer of Worlds:
I'm certainly not going to connect to a new protagonist when we take on Solas. Why would I - their story might not even get an ending. Maybe they will have an entire game bulding up a new relationship with Solas to make it equally as interesting as with the Inquisitor, then they will finally get to the villain, have a big cutscene talking about how they are going to defeat him, then fade into the background so the DA5 protagonist can take him on...
I'm certainly not going to connect to a new protagonist when we take on Solas. Why would I - their story might not even get an ending. Maybe they will have an entire game bulding up a new relationship with Solas to make it equally as interesting as with the Inquisitor, then they will finally get to the villain, have a big cutscene talking about how they are going to defeat him, then fade into the background so the DA5 protagonist can take him on...
Probably not, since Solas' story will apparently be wrapped up next game, but I definitely get your point.
Off-topic: I have similar fears regarding the new Mass Effect. Part of me wants it to be terrible just so I don't have to get emotionally invested again. Because what if it's really good, and then the second game of the new trilogy is good, but the finale screws up just like before? I can't deal with that again, and I don't want to wait 6 years to find out if I should play them. I wish it was a stand-alone game, at least.
I'm thinking that the Inquisitor will try to recruit new blood to fight Solas, because fighting Solas with whomever was in the Inquisition isn't a good idea, whatnot with Solas' spies and overall knowledge of the group. If the inquisition is still up, the Inquisitor may use it as some kind of decoy for what they are actually planning behind the facade. I'm also going to assume that whatever spies Solas has, they are not like, supermegagod spies, but regular elves working for him for reason A and/or B.
I'm fine as long as the Inquisitior is an important part of the story.
Though something tells me that the Inquisitor will die in next game, either killed by the PC or Solas. This mostly coming from my pessimism.
Probably not, since Solas' story will apparently be wrapped up next game, but I definitely get your point.
Off-topic: I have similar fears regarding the new Mass Effect. Part of me wants it to be terrible just so I don't have to get emotionally invested again. Because what if it's really good, and then the second game of the new trilogy is good, but the finale screws up just like before? I can't deal with that again, and I don't want to wait 6 years to find out if I should play them. I wish it was a stand-alone game, at least.
Hmm also if we get the same character how would Bioware handle LI's? We most likely wouldn't be able to romance any of the new companions due to the fact that 99% will be in a relationship with someone.
Holding to the dual protagonist line of thinking, I'd prefer no previous companion of the Inquisitor's appear except for the ones relevent to the Tevinter setting like Dorian Pavus. He'd be the Morrigan of the game whose role is akin to that of an advisor but not that of a companion. The rest can deal with the business elsewhere in Thedas since that would also make sense for quite a few of them.
I think I'd be happy with a small segment even if it is in the finale in which the Inquisitor appears as a controllable character and is a part of the confrontation with Solas even if they are not a part of the game otherwise and merely someone the new protagonist hears about through most of the game.
I'll be honest and say I do not want the Inquisitor to appear if their character and their dialogue is not controlled by the player because I feel pre-decided personality types do not take into account that the character might act differently than they generally would in certain situations.
What about the iron bull?Holding to the dual protagonist line of thinking, I'd prefer no previous companion of the Inquisitor's appear except for the ones relevent to the Tevinter setting like Dorian Pavus. He'd be the Morrigan of the game whose role is akin to that of an advisor but not that of a companion. The rest can deal with the business elsewhere in Thedas since that would also make sense for quite a few of them.
What about the iron bull?
The Iron Bull can be dead but if alive, I think he could atill appear in a quest that works a bit like Zevran Arainai's did in Dragon Age II since Zevran was of determinant status as well.
Hmm also if we get the same character how would Bioware handle LI's? We most likely wouldn't be able to romance any of the new companions due to the fact that 99% will be in a relationship with someone.
Yes, because DA:I has turned into some kind of relationship simulator. Left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, tbh.
I agree with you, though. There's plenty of reasons I don't see the Inquisitor returning as the protagonist of the next game (I wouldn't mind it, but the lack of an arm alone is a bit of a hindrance), and the romance argument is part of that. Still... One could argue that it did work in Mass Effect, so why not in the next Dragon Age game?
Yes, because DA:I has turned into some kind of relationship simulator. Left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, tbh.
I agree with you, though. There's plenty of reasons I don't see the Inquisitor returning as the protagonist of the next game (I wouldn't mind it, but the lack of an arm alone is a bit of a hindrance), and the romance argument is part of that. Still... One could argue that it did work in Mass Effect, so why not in the next Dragon Age game?
I do not remember that Hawke brought along a love interest for their segments in the game so I do not see why the Inquisitor having a role in the next Dragon Age game would necessity the appearance of their chosen love interest.
Characters like Dorian Pavus and Solas would appear because of their relevence to the plot and not because they were the love interest of the Inquisitor.
Yes, because DA:I has turned into some kind of relationship simulator. Left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, tbh.
I agree with you, though. There's plenty of reasons I don't see the Inquisitor returning as the protagonist of the next game (I wouldn't mind it, but the lack of an arm alone is a bit of a hindrance), and the romance argument is part of that. Still... One could argue that it did work in Mass Effect, so why not in the next Dragon Age game?
oh Mass Effect got it to work alright, they killed off the main character for him/her to comeback later with technology.
I think the Inquisitor should be our characters personal trainer or have had some role in the the new characters life that drives them to take out Solas. I also thought maybe our character could be taking out Solas not only to stop him from destroying the world but to take revenge on him for killing our Inquisitor in one of the beginning sections. But whatever our characters motives for taking out Solas it should be related to our Inquisitor because our Inquisitor is lacking a arm so I assume we will be playing the progeny to the Inquisition.
Even if you disband the Inquisition Leliana beginning conversation is Trespasser hints that its not actually being disbanded but appearing to look like it was disband.
That's the most likely result.I do not remember that Hawke brought along a love interest for their segments in the game so I do not see why the Inquisitor having a role in the next Dragon Age game would necessity the appearance of their chosen love interest.
Characters like Dorian Pavus and Solas would appear because of their relevence to the plot and not because they were the love interest of the Inquisitor.
Yes, because DA:I has turned into some kind of relationship simulator. Left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, tbh.
I agree with you, though. There's plenty of reasons I don't see the Inquisitor returning as the protagonist of the next game (I wouldn't mind it, but the lack of an arm alone is a bit of a hindrance), and the romance argument is part of that. Still... One could argue that it did work in Mass Effect, so why not in the next Dragon Age game?
I haven't played the ME games. But from what I do know of them, you can't compare the ME romances to the DA ones in this case. Those people were a part of Shepard's crew and were a continuous presence across all three games (unless they died). So you could have a breakup mechanic that allowed Shepard to move on to someone else and whatnot because those followers would still be there, but that is not the case with Dragon Age.
Aside from Solas, who we likely won't get to interact with on any regular basis, the only companion this would be applicable to is Dorian. I don't think they will give a hypothetical Inquisitor a breakup option with him and leave all others without a "way out" that would allow them to romance someone new. I really don't see any of the other followers returning, even for a cameo. And it seems to me that one of the positives of having the next game set in the North is that we can put almost all of the previous people behind and bring in fresh blood.
AND don't forget that there are two possible marriages that could have happened.
So, regarding the romance aspect of it, there are a few scenarios for a playable or dual-protag Inquisitor.
1 It will not be an option at all, and the only players to get additional romance content, no matter how small, will be those who romanced Dorian or Solas and the game will still consider those relationships as active.
2 It will be an option, but only the Dorian-mancer will be allowed to break up with him and move on to someone else. All other Inquisitors who had an LI are screwed.
3 They will allow our Inquisitor to cheat on their LI or spouse.
4 They will force a breakup off screen, between games.
I find the first to be the most likely, with the other three very far behind in terms of possibility.
I'm thinking that the Inquisitor is most likely to appear as an NPC like Hawke, and even then the romance content would be limited to us as the new PC watching as a third party whatever goes on between whichever couple. I jokingly mentioned this before, but if the Inquisitor and Dorian are both advisors, I would find it amusing to walk in on them making out or something when I returned to base. ^^;
This is related to the dual-protagonist scenario I envision, but I suspect the Inquisitor won't actually be in Tevinter, or at least won't be near Dorian. The Inquisitor will communicate with him through the sending stone and he will be the point of contact between the new PC and the Inquisitor.I haven't played the ME games. But from what I do know of them, you can't compare the ME romances to the DA ones in this case. Those people were a part of Shepard's crew and were a continuous presence across all three games (unless they died). So you could have a breakup mechanic that allowed Shepard to move on to someone else and whatnot because those followers would still be there, but that is not the case with Dragon Age.
Aside from Solas, who we likely won't get to interact with on any regular basis, the only companion this would be applicable to is Dorian. I don't think they will give a hypothetical Inquisitor a breakup option with him and leave all others without a "way out" that would allow them to romance someone new. I really don't see any of the other followers returning, even for a cameo. And it seems to me that one of the positives of having the next game set in the North is that we can put almost all of the previous people behind and bring in fresh blood.
AND don't forget that there are two possible marriages that could have happened.
So, regarding the romance aspect of it, there are a few scenarios for a playable or dual-protag Inquisitor.
1 It will not be an option at all, and the only players to get additional romance content, no matter how small, will be those who romanced Dorian or Solas and the game will still consider those relationships as active.
2 It will be an option, but only the Dorian-mancer will be allowed to break up with him and move on to someone else. All other Inquisitors who had an LI are screwed.
3 They will allow our Inquisitor to cheat on their LI or spouse.
4 They will force a breakup off screen, between games.
I find the first to be the most likely, with the other three very far behind in terms of possibility.
I'm thinking that the Inquisitor is most likely to appear as an NPC like Hawke, and even then the romance content would be limited to us as the new PC watching as a third party whatever goes on between whichever couple. I jokingly mentioned this before, but if the Inquisitor and Dorian are both advisors, I would find it amusing to walk in on them making out or something when I returned to base. ^^;
This is related to the dual-protagonist scenario I envision, but I suspect the Inquisitor won't actually be in Tevinter, or at least won't be near Dorian. The Inquisitor will communicate with him through the sending stone and he will be the point of contact between the new PC and the Inquisitor.
Killjoy XD.
I think think the Inquisitor will be in the game in some capacity. I don't think they will be completely absent, like the Warden. What exactly that is is anybody's guess at this point in time.
Also, if that's the case I'd sure like to see the sending stone in action.
I haven't played the ME games. But from what I do know of them, you can't compare the ME romances to the DA ones in this case. Those people were a part of Shepard's crew and were a continuous presence across all three games (unless they died). So you could have a breakup mechanic that allowed Shepard to move on to someone else and whatnot because those followers would still be there, but that is not the case with Dragon Age.
Aside from Solas, who we likely won't get to interact with on any regular basis, the only companion this would be applicable to is Dorian. I don't think they will give a hypothetical Inquisitor a breakup option with him and leave all others without a "way out" that would allow them to romance someone new. I really don't see any of the other followers returning, even for a cameo. And it seems to me that one of the positives of having the next game set in the North is that we can put almost all of the previous people behind and bring in fresh blood.
AND don't forget that there are two possible marriages that could have happened.
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Yes. And this is (one of the various reasons) why I don't think the Inqusitor will return as a protagonist or at least that the romance content will be very limited if they do, as you said. If they are in a relationship with someone (e.g., let's say, Cullen) and there's the potential to romance someone else and the player wants to do that, I suppose it would require bringing back the character they romanced before in some fashion to resolve that "romantic conflict". And precisely because we likely won't see many of the Inquisiton's players in the next game, at least not in a major role, it would feel contrived to bring back a character the Inquisitor romanced before just so they could tell them they're breaking up or cheated on them. Brining back characters that don't have much to do in the plot just to resolve some romantic issue that didn't have to exist in the first place feels just... meh.
Yes. And this is (one of the various reasons) why I don't think the Inqusitor will return as a protagonist or at least that the romance content will be very limited if they do, as you said. If they are in a relationship with someone (e.g., let's say, Cullen) and there's the potential to romance someone else and the player wants to do that, I suppose it would require bringing back the character they romanced before in some fashion to resolve that "romantic conflict". And precisely because we likely won't see many of the Inquisiton's players in the next game, at least not in a major role, it would feel contrived to bring back a character the Inquisitor romanced before just so they could tell them they're breaking up or cheated on them. Brining back characters that don't have much to do in the plot just to resolve some romantic issue that didn't have to exist in the first place feels just... meh.
Well, I hate to say this -- and this is NOT something I would EVER do -- the whole cheat thing could be an interesting aspect of role-play, especially if it's widely known you are/were involved with someone from the Inquisition and the new potential LI brings it up.
I suppose they could have romances open only to single Inquisitors, which would be interesting as well. I know that if I ever play a fem Inquisitor again (my canon is male) I won't be romancing anyone. Cassandra isn't an option for the ladies, Dorian is my girl's friend, and I have no interest in anyone else.
This is all hypothetical, of course. Just throwing various things out there as they pop into my brain.
Well, I hate to say this -- and this is NOT something I would EVER do -- the whole cheat thing could be an interesting aspect of role-play, especially if it's widely known you are/were involved with someone from the Inquisition and the new potential LI brings it up.
I absolutely agree, though I could never bring myself to do this either, even in Mass Effect. Hell, I'm such a wuss that I whenever I try to play as an evil or at least ******* character, I always fail miserably, haha.
Do you think they make the game just for us experts on the forum? No.. they make the game to appeal to new players to sell even more games and maybe even all the old versions with it..
To be honest, as the series has gone on, and especially with the inclusion of ancillary materials like novels and comics, I've gotten they feeling they are starting to care less and less about attracting new players in relation to how the story is developed and presented.
DAI was the "worst" of them all in this way. Significant chunks of the game were enhanced by having played though DA2 and its Legacy DLC, and by the Asunder and The Masked Empire novels. (Note that I don't say "required," only "enhanced.")
The whole point of leveling up and getting a specialization will be gone, if they use the same protagonist. How will my dwarven templar tank develop himself if he is already specialized and has the skills..
Longer skill trees?
More levels?
So a playable inquisitor?
Dont think so.. that would be more of a dlc instead of a new game.. that would mean new players would set 27-30 skill points. They would start up in chaos not knowing how to skill properly..
Solas.. is not the end boss of da4 they story cant be streched that much.. it would be a 30-40 hour storyline just chasing solas.. would you want to do that? I surely dont want to.. not if i already know who the end boss is from the start..
new players would not be able to relate to the story.. think of the practical way of selling the game.
Do you think they make the game just for us experts on the forum? No.. they make the game to appeal to new players to sell even more games and maybe even all the old versions with it..
I think there are ways to include the Inquisitor as a PC, even though it will probably be very limited (if they'll be a PC in the next game). Like, how about being able to control the Inquisitor and having certain dialogue options with them, without playing them in combat and thus, being able to level them up? Just because there are ways to include them, doesn't mean you'll have to have the full range and depth of roleplaying elements compared to the actual protagonist in the next game. I think developers have a variety of options when it comes to this.
That reminds me of how the player played as Haytham in the first portion of Assassin's Creed 3. Kinda like that.
I think I'd be happy with a small segment even if it is in the finale in which the Inquisitor appears as a controllable character and is a part of the confrontation with Solas even if they are not a part of the game otherwise and merely someone the new protagonist hears about through most of the game.
I'll be honest and say I do not want the Inquisitor to appear if their character and their dialogue is not controlled by the player because I feel pre-decided personality types do not take into account that the character might act differently than they generally would in certain situations.