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A low level mage? "Hedge" mages, especially ones who aren't very skilled in magic, tend to be have very dangerous and unpredictable abilities. She would require exceptional training and skill to hide magical tendencies so completely.


Yeah. I know, I was saying that because I was annoyed by these theories in general and didn't feel like being lectured over it.....

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Sera has a sensitivity to the Fade because she is an elf. And as such, she has old blood (as stated by Kieran to an elf Inquisitor) running through her veins. 

All elves are sensitive to the world of spirits, regardless of being mages.


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Oh , that is true.  But if my theory is right then Mthal is connected to a spirit too. Along with Elgar'nan ("elgar" - spirit). Yeah, thanks. DId not think of that, but it actually delivers one more "proof".

Hum, I still feel like she has some magical potential. Solas asked her why she did not learn magic. And then there is that weird detail about her indifference when it comes to tranquility.

 

You mean how Flemeth is connected to a spirit? But the thing is that Sera only gets the feeling. So she might not be clairvoyant. She might just sense memories, as Cole suggests.

 

She probably favors tranquility because it prevents mages from being possessed by a demon. On the other hand it takes away a person's feelings. So the two probably cancel each other out, making her feel indifferent.
 


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But also tells a very interesting thing about "Nothing" (capital N) after you come back to Skyhold. Weird that a tombstone with the name of her biggest fear shows "The Nothing" too :v. I know some people believe she meant emptiness and meaningless, but it would be great if she actually meant some person, The Forgotten One or a spirit. 

 

Maybe her fear was referring to the Void, where Andruil was said to have hunted until she went mad. More than likely though Sera is afraid of oblivion. Life being so beautiful to her and then just suddenly ending in eternal nothingness. It's why she believes in the Maker and Andraste. She wants there to be something else beyond life and the Fade that she hates so much.
 



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Thank you for participating in dicussion :v 

 

Don't thank me. Thank Sten.



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Sera does seem odd in many ways and very secretive about her past and now that makes me wonder if she was made tranquil and regain some of her senses?  Maybe that's why she is afraid of the simplest spills?  IDK.

 

I've played dozens of RPGs  over the last 27 years and I've seen a lot of twist,turns and what the hey moments.. I suspect we will see Sera again.

Yeah, I think so too. After all Inquisitor joins the Red Jenny. Gaider said in an interview that original DAI arc was much larger and had to be split in two, so I hope Weekes keeps the Inquisitor as the protagonist and then Sera would have to re appear too. I just hope DAI won't leave with too many unanswered questions :/



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Like not enough for her to keep on getting these theories though. I think everyone should agree that Sera is Sera and that none of these will change her.

With so many twists about true ideneties and intentions of some characters (Flemeth, Solas, Iron Bull loyal to the Qun, Meredith, Orsino, all Evanuris, Corypheus, etc) I would not just go around saying that [name] is just [name]. Watched many vids with DA theories and some turned out to be right. Ironically, there was always someone in the comment section who was just like "Nooope. Bye".



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Sera has a sensitivity to the Fade because she is an elf. And as such, she has old blood (as stated by Kieran to an elf Inquisitor) running through her veins. 

All elves are sensitive to the world of spirits, regardless of being mages.

Hum, Kieran says to an elven Inquisitor that he does not know why Inquisitor's people "want to look like that" and laughs at the Inquisitor for having large ears :v ... Which suggests elves were not always looking the way the look now.

Kieran only says that Inquisitor's "blood is very old". He makes other "blood" remarks. For example, to a Qunari Inquisitor he says that his blood does not belong to him (dragon blood experiments?). It more seems like he wanted to point out that elves existed for really long. After all, the ancient history starts with elves, only later other races appear.



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Don't thank me. Thank Sten.

I did thank Sten :v



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Maybe her fear was referring to the Void, where Andruil was said to have hunted until she went mad. More than likely though Sera is afraid of oblivion. Life being so beautiful to her and then just suddenly ending in eternal nothingness. It's why she believes in the Maker and Andraste. She wants there to be something else beyond life and the Fade that she hates so much.
 

Oh dude , some people are gonna hate hard for digging out that Andruil theory :P

Well, no hate here. Good point.



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You mean how Flemeth is connected to a spirit? But the thing is that Sera only gets the feeling. So she might not be clairvoyant. She might just sense memories, as Cole suggests.

 

She probably favors tranquility because it prevents mages from being possessed by a demon. On the other hand it takes away a person's feelings. So the two probably cancel each other out, making her feel indifferent.
 

Hard to say who is connected to who :v  Kieran says sth like " I do not know why your people want to look like that" and laughs at elf Inquis' large ears. I would actually shet my pants from excitement if the natural form for elves is a spirit form. Anyway, had been wondering if it is spirit that got a body and became Mythal or if it was a body that got a spirit and became Mythal. 

The problem with Sera is that she does not favor tranquility. Sit in judgement and she is the only one whose approval does not change (no disapproval, no approval). 



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I don't think Sera is connected to a separate being. She may herself be in some way spiritual or mystical though, certain game dialogues do suggest to me that there's something different about her.

 

Regarding the precognition subject, aside from Flemythal, Sandal, Eleni Zinovia and apparently the Somniari/ancient Tevinter dreamers with limited success(according to WoT2) can see the future. So if she is precog (as opposed to being able to sense memories, or having some of her own memories missing and being reminded of them) its not necessarily related to her being an elf.


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I don't think Sera is connected to a separate being. She may herself be in some way spiritual or mystical though, certain game dialogues do suggest to me that there's something different about her.

 

Regarding the precognition subject, aside from Flemythal, Sandal, Eleni Zinovia and apparently the Somniari/ancient Tevinter dreamers with limited success(according to WoT2) can see the future. So if she is precog (as opposed to being able to sense memories, or having some of her own memories missing and being reminded of them) its not necessarily related to her being an elf.

Hum, Eleni statue said she was the essense and spirit of Eleni. She was a female human before. I am kinda sceptical  about DAO sources, because sometimes I have a feeling it does not quite cover what was presented in DAI, but Eleni is a confirmation that the spirit can be separated from the body.

 

I have a feeling that forseeing future is spirit-related. I will look for more proofs for and against this idea. Anyway, if it is spirit-related then Lady Insanity's theory about Sandal being an agent of the titan (along with Mythal and Leliana if had died) would not be right. Oooooooor maybe titans are spirit-possessed then it would make sense that their agents can "predict the future". Okay.... I am overthinking it right now :v ......................... 



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Hum, Eleni statue said she was the essense and spirit of Eleni. She was a female human before. I am kinda sceptical  about DAO sources, because sometimes I have a feeling it does not quite cover what was presented in DAI, but Eleni is a confirmation that the spirit can be separated from the body.

 

I have a feeling that forseeing future is spirit-related. I will look for more proofs for and against this idea. Anyway, if it is spirit-related then Lady Insanity's theory about Sandal being an agent of the titan (along with Mythal and Leliana if had died) would not be right. Oooooooor maybe titans are spirit-possessed then it would make sense that their agents can "predict the future". Okay.... I am overthinking it right now :v ......................... 

 

 

You mention Sandals but where are my Dwarf mages that he promised would happen in DA2. Allow me to roughly paraphase this "the sky will tear open and everyone will have magic" I would need to listen to him again say that but that line strongly suggest that the events in DAI should've gave Dwarves magic unless he is referring to the success of Solas plan and the only way Dwarves will have magic is if Solas succeeds. But I find that hard since I recall Solas wants to destroy the world to make a new. I just know when Sandal mentions the hole in the sky he does say everyone will have magic and that to me implies that Dwarves would get magic too. 



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You mention Sandals but where are my Dwarf mages that he promised would happen in DA2. Allow me to roughly paraphase this "the sky will tear open and everyone will have magic" I would need to listen to him again say that but that line strongly suggest that the events in DAI should've gave Dwarves magic unless he is referring to the success of Solas plan and the only way Dwarves will have magic is if Solas succeeds. But I find that hard since I recall Solas wants to destroy the world to make a new. I just know when Sandal mentions the hole in the sky he does say everyone will have magic and that to me implies that Dwarves would get magic too. 

Oh, wait wait. Let's work on that quote from Sandals. 

 

This is the quote: " One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadown will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises - everyone will see." People thought this prophecy was about Corypheus, but now we know it is about the Dread Wolf. The only thing Solas wants is " to tear down the Veil" in order to  "RESTORE the world of the elves" while the present world "would burn in the raw chaos". With the Veil gone "all magic would come back" and everybody "would be like they were before". Sandal never said that Dwarves would use magic (not saying the won't).

 

Sandals' prophecy was the reason why I started "investigating" this spirit theory :P ! And tbh, as much as I love DA in its present form, I would love it if it went in the direction of a new world that has to deal with the elven supremacy. It's kinda boring that both ME and DA are about human supremacy (like irl). Oh dude, if Gaider would lead the project of DA without the Veil and Weekes the project with the Veil it would AMAZINGLY AWESOME! I do not think anybody ever did such a thing. Iiiiiiiiiiiii <3 Ok... Coming back to earth :P - I guess Gaider moved to a project completely unrelated to DA.


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Oh, wait wait. Let's work on that quote from Sandals. 

 

This is the quote: " One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadown will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises - everyone will see." People thought this prophecy was about Corypheus, but now we know it is about the Dread Wolf. The only thing Solas wants is " to tear down the Veil" in order to  "RESTORE the world of the elves" while the present world "would burn in the raw chaos". With the Veil gone "all magic would come back" and everybody "would be like they were before". Sandal never said that Dwarves would use magic (not saying the won't).

 

Sandals' prophecy was the reason why I started "investigating" this spirit theory :P ! And tbh, as much as I love DA in its present form, I would love it if it went in the direction of a new world that has to deal with the elven supremacy. It's kinda boring that both ME and DA are about human supremacy (like irl). Oh dude, if Gaider would lead the project of DA without the Veil and Weekes the project with the Veil it would AMAZINGLY AWESOME! I do not think anybody ever did such a thing. Iiiiiiiiiiiii <3 Ok... Coming back to earth :P - I guess Gaider moved to a project completely unrelated to DA.

 

So its Solas related, interesting to know that it is related to Solas. 

 

I only want Solas plan to succeed so Dwarves have magic lol. Maybe not succeed enough to kill everyone just enough to give Dwarves magic lol



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Dwarves cannot use magic. Valta clearly states this. Her power is different.

 

Personally, I think the titans have a collective consciousness that is held together by the lyrium.



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Dwarves cannot use magic. Valta clearly states this. Her power is different.

 

Personally, I think the titans have a collective consciousness that is held together by the lyrium.

Would make sense since their minions were mindless "zombie-like" servants.



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If lyrium is the blood of Titans, then the control they exert over dwarves is blood magic?



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With so many twists about true ideneties and intentions of some characters (Flemeth, Solas, Iron Bull loyal to the Qun, Meredith, Orsino, all Evanuris, Corypheus, etc) I would not just go around saying that [name] is just [name]. Watched many vids with DA theories and some turned out to be right. Ironically, there was always someone in the comment section who was just like "Nooope. Bye".


Well now that's old now. It's an over used cliche in the DA universe.

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If lyrium is the blood of Titans, then the control they exert over dwarves is blood magic?

Hmmm, how?



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I had totally forgotten about The Brecilian Forest codex entry, but as I read it I looked for the bows available in Trespasser... and they also happen to be three, just like the ones Abelas (from the codex entry) crafted from the tree.

 

Arrowwood, with a description that features a Witch of the Arbor Wilds and her daughters...

 

The Bow of Artifice, crafted with odd mods and that sound like "irritating birds". ("When you fire your bow, it hums after, every time.")

 

And Elgar'nan Enaste ("The approval of our spirits"?) which features the inscription "Your people call out for all things to end in flame. Ashes sing Your Praise."

Elgar = Spirit + 'nan = Our Spirits

Enaste = Favor, approval

 

Out of these three bows, Arrowwood is obtained almost mandatorily while progressing on the Trespasser DLC storyline, while the other two can only be obtained by completing two of the optional trials.

My point is: we're supposed to see Arrowwood and read its description, because it seems like it matters more.

 

"An old Ciriane tale speaks of an archer named Arrowwood who traded his heart to the spirit of an oak grove to become the greatest archer in the world."

 

Curiously, the tree mentioned in The Brecilian Forest codex entry speaks of a tree that holds a hunter's spirit within...

 

 

Sera could be a tricky card under the writers' sleeves, since it's rather easy for her to seem randomly nonsensical and even impulsively violent (especially during her personal mission, if certain dialogue options are selected,) which can make her seem... a bit hostile at times.

It's like it's difficult to even like her at first (at least, that was my case considering she lied her way into the Inquisition and then she was also needlessly aggressive).

 

But what if she turned out to be something more?

 

I'm not sure about her having a spirit within, or even having some connection with Andruil at all (which has been a strong theory for a while now,) but there's definitely something about Sera...

 

 

 



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I had totally forgotten about The Brecilian Forest codex entry, but as I read it I looked for the bows available in Trespasser... and they also happen to be three, just like the ones Abelas (from the codex entry) crafted from the tree.

 

Arrowwood, with a description that features a Witch of the Arbor Wilds and her daughters...

 

The Bow of Artifice, crafted with odd mods and that sound like "irritating birds". ("When you fire your bow, it hums after, every time.")

 

And Elgar'nan Enaste ("The approval of our spirits"?) which features the inscription "Your people call out for all things to end in flame. Ashes sing Your Praise."

Elgar = Spirit + 'nan = Our Spirits

Enaste = Favor, approval

 

Out of these three bows, Arrowwood is obtained almost mandatorily while progressing on the Trespasser DLC storyline, while the other two can only be obtained by completing two of the optional trials.

My point is: we're supposed to see Arrowwood and read its description, because it seems like it matters more.

 

"An old Ciriane tale speaks of an archer named Arrowwood who traded his heart to the spirit of an oak grove to become the greatest archer in the world."

 

Curiously, the tree mentioned in The Brecilian Forest codex entry speaks of a tree that holds a hunter's spirit within...

 

 

Sera could be a tricky card under the writers' sleeves, since it's rather easy for her to seem randomly nonsensical and even impulsively violent (especially during her personal mission, if certain dialogue options are selected,) which can make her seem... a bit hostile at times.

It's like it's difficult to even like her at first (at least, that was my case considering she lied her way into the Inquisition and then she was also needlessly aggressive).

 

But what if she turned out to be something more?

 

I'm not sure about her having a spirit within, or even having some connection with Andruil at all (which has been a strong theory for a while now,) but there's definitely something about Sera...

Yeah, there are some theories on Sera. I do not think that the Andruil one could be true, but Geek Remix's and mine seem to make sense. I really hope that it will not be an unsolved mystery. I higly doubt it tho, because DA4 will be a part of the same arc (according to Gaider it has been split into two, because original DAI story was to long to cover it all in one game).

 

About the translation of Elgar'Nan - as I said in the vid - the correct translation is "Spirit of Vengance" ("Vengence's Spirit") , not "Our Spirit". "Nan" means "Vengance" and "Our Spirit" could be translated to "Elgar'var".

 

One bow that really cought my attention was Perseverance. Not sure if you saw what happens if you approach 4 times that weird Chantry woman from the Hissing Wastes. She drops this bow (that has a weird description about wood giving a feeling of devotion) and then physically dissapears. Solas reacts as if he knew who she was but does not share any info. Well, if Solas knew what was that woman then - duh- it must have been a spirit. My guess - spirit of faith.


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I had Sera in the party for that woman. She has a funny reaction, and I found it fitting that the woman left a bow for Sera.



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I had Sera in the party for that woman. She has a funny reaction, and I found it fitting that the woman left a bow for Sera.

Ooooh, I brought Sera too, but only Cassandra and Solas commented her :/