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[KamuiStorm]

Remember vigil mentioning a dozen scientists survived and eventually discovered the connection between the reapers, keepers and citadel? It was never mentioned or explored with irrefutable proof of their fate but merely hypothesized that they starved to death after changing the signal.

"The fate of these Prothean scientists is unknown. As the Conduit portal only links one way and there was no food or water left on the Citadel, Vigil hypothesized they eventually starved to death."

They were on ilos and used the portal(at least it was hinted towards that) which means some/most if not all technologies created during this time we're still functional. So they could have escaped the milky way in the hopes of warning New species or to find ways of defeating the reapers for revenge. I don't really recall it being said that reapers were only in the milky way, I mean they wiped out all life every 50k years and assimilated all known technological advances. Whose to say they weren't in other galaxies? As for the protheans there's also this

"During the Reaper invasion in 2186, some of the surviving Collectors may be freed from Reaper control through subversion by the ancient race called Leviathans. These "awakened" Collectors are the last embers of the extinct Prothean race, also embodying the Prothean virtue of vengeance."

So with the scientists and these awakened collectors maybe we'll see a small portion of protheans in andromeda. What do you guys think? I could be reaching too far or not far enough but I think it's possible. May have have a few facts wrong but yeah

[Kamal-N7]

It's an interesting possibility. I can see it being plausible. But I think that Andromeda will mostly focus on the new races that you will come across, as well as whatever new threat that you will face.  About the Reapers being in Andromeda, I really hope not. A new villain/threat would be better for this new galaxy.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I doubt it. While the Conduit worked, it was designed to go only one way, and that was from Ilos and to the Citadel. The Citadel was the first place the Reapers attacked, since that was the seat of the Prothean government just like the Reapers planned. And the scientists went centuries later, after the Reapers retreated which means after the Reapers got rid of everything on the Citadel. The Ilos team had no way off the Citadel. Their fate is almost certainly that they died of dehydration or starvation and their bodies were taken to the protein vats the Keepers run.

 

Besides, I've had more than enough of the Protheans.

[capn233]

I doubt it. While the Conduit worked, it was designed to go only one way, and that was from Ilos and to the Citadel.

 

The "conduit" on Ilos linked to the "relay monument" on the Citadel.  For whatever reason, they couldn't seem to use it to travel back to Ilos.  I wonder if that was just because it was always one way, or if they couldn't power it from the Citadel side after they arrived.

 

In any case, I agree that the Protheans should be extinct in MEA.

[KamuiStorm]

I doubt it. While the Conduit worked, it was designed to go only one way, and that was from Ilos and to the Citadel. The Citadel was the first place the Reapers attacked, since that was the seat of the Prothean government just like the Reapers planned. And the scientists went centuries later, after the Reapers retreated which means after the Reapers got rid of everything on the Citadel. The Ilos team had no way off the Citadel. Their fate is almost certainly that they died of dehydration or starvation and their bodies were taken to the protein vats the Keepers run.
 
Besides, I've had more than enough of the Protheans.

Well aren't the keepers organic? I mean while yes they have a tendency to explode when being touched and what not, but what of the scientists developed a means to negate this? Again I don't recall it being defined why or what causes them to do so but it could be a signal that could be changed like the other one. Even if they didn't develop a way to harvest the keepers to eat they might've been able to alter their programming to create food. I mean it's never explained where they come from or how they acquire the materials to fix things so there are parts within the citadel that only the keepers know of.

Plus we don't know the protheans complete physiology so it's unsure how long they can live without liquid or food. You mentioned protein vats, they could've altered those in some manner to recycle the keepers themselves or something on the citadel which is massive into edible food/water.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well aren't the keepers organic? I mean while yes they have a tendency to explode when being touched and what not, but what of the scientists developed a means to negate this? Again I don't recall it being defined why or what causes them to do so but it could be a signal that could be changed like the other one. Even if they didn't develop a way to harvest the keepers to eat they might've been able to alter their programming to create food. I mean it's never explained where they come from or how they acquire the materials to fix things so there are parts within the citadel that only the keepers know of.

Plus we don't know the protheans complete physiology so it's unsure how long they can live without liquid or food. You mentioned protein vats, they could've altered those in some manner to recycle the keepers themselves or something on the citadel which is massive into edible food/water

The Keepers self-destruct when they are prevented from going about their business, even after the Protheans messed with them since they have done so during our cycle. Even if they could find a source of food or water, which due to how thorough the Reapers are is doubtful, they are still trapped on the Citadel since every ship was destroyed and removed, same as everything else the Protheans left behind. The only way off would be to make a new ship capable of interstellar travel without the drive discharge problem, since all the Mass Relays were deactivated. And if they were to go to another galaxy, they would need a ship capable of intergalactic travel which a team of a couple dozen couldn't do. So they are stranded on the Citadel, and they clearly died since the Citadel was devoid of life save the Keepers when the Asari encountered it.

 

Vigil knows everything about Prothean physiology, and it is he that believes they died that way. 

 

 

The "conduit" on Ilos linked to the "relay monument" on the Citadel.  For whatever reason, they couldn't seem to use it to travel back to Ilos.  I wonder if that was just because it was always one way, or if they couldn't power it from the Citadel side after they arrived.

 

In any case, I agree that the Protheans should be extinct in MEA.

The lore says the Conduit went only one way. 

[Mcfly616]

 

Vigil knows everything about the Protheans

 

No. He's simply a VI of the research facility at Ilos. Nothing more.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No. He's simply a VI of the research facility at Ilos. Nothing more.

He knows enough about their physiology to make sure the stasis pods were calibrated right to keep them alive for centuries. 

 

Tell me why Vigil wouldn't know about their physiology?

[Mcfly616]

He knows enough about their physiology to make sure the stasis pods were calibrated right to keep them alive for centuries. 

 sure. However, I was simply commenting on the whole "He knows everything...." bit. It knows a whole lot, I'm sure. But not everything. Most likely, not even close.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 sure. However, I was simply commenting on the whole "He knows everything...." bit. It knows a whole lot, I'm sure. But not everything. Most likely, not even close.

Fair enough. I meant Vigil knew everything about their physiology, since one of his primary functions was caretaker of the Protheans as they were in stasis. It'd be like if we had an AI be a caretaker for a coma patient. In order to do it, it would need to know everything about human physiology. 

[Mcfly616]

I meant everything about their physiology, since one of his primary functions was caretaker of the Protheans on Ilos as they were in stasis. It'd be like if we had an AI be a caretaker for someone who is comatose. In order to do it, it would need to know everything about human physiology. 

That's all well and fine. I'm not disagreeing with that. Though, your original post was rather absolute and unspecified (atleast, the sentence I quoted seemed like a general statement). Hence my response. 

 

We have an understanding. I get what you mean. Sympatico and whatever. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's all well and fine. I'm not disagreeing with that. Though, your original post was rather absolute and unspecified (atleast, the sentence I quoted seemed like a general statement). Hence my response. 

 

We have an understanding. I get what you mean. Sympatico and whatever. 

I edited that post to clarify what I meant. 

[Helios969]

Seems pretty sketchy...though I wouldn't be surprised if we encountered a MW race that had previously escaped one of the Reapers past harvests.  Honestly I'd prefer if Bioware focused on new ideas rather than rehashing old ones...unless they come up with something damn good.

[Valdez_ua]

Too over sophisticated. They just died and that's all.

[ArabianIGoggles]

I'd like to know why they didn't just stay on Ilos.  I mean the reapers clearly didn't know about it, and there were resources there to sustain a population.  It's also probable that there is at least one prothean ship there.  Best not to look to close at the story, I guess.

[BraveVesperia]

Even if they made it to Andromeda, I don't think we'd see them in ME:A. I think there were only a handful of scientists, right? So even if they all made it to Andromeda, they would've died out by now.

[BioWareM0d13]

I'd much rather Javk remained the last Prothean, but after the popularity of the character I could see Bioware finding a way to put Protheans in Andromeda. 

[wright1978]

Hopefully not. Much prefer the simplicity and elegance of the sacrifice of those scientists and as Han says it takes away from Javik if there's suddenly a whole bunch of protheans bouncing around. Let the rest of the race stay dead i say.

 

I pretty much consider MP nonsense when it tries to mess about in the lore like this.

[Vegeta 77]

Rather javik be the last one not everyrace needs to carry over to MEA. 

[themikefest]

I wouldn't mind seeing Protheans in the next game.

 

By the Prothean

Embrace Javik

[DarthSliver]

Well people seem to forget that its possible Protheans make it to Andromeda and still not be anything we seen with Javik as they had roughly 50k to 48k years to completely change into something else. We also forget that the Empire was shattered into pieces after the Citadel and Mass Relays being shut off to them, all they had were FTL neighbors to communitcate with if not just the planet itself. The head did not know what the hands or feet were doing and Javik all but confirms this when you talk to him. For all we know the Protheans could've got the mininal amount of people needed to rebuild your civilization into a makeshift intergalatic ship. I mean we know the only reason why the Protheans lost was because of the Citadel backdoor that the Reapers had. Protheans held their ground for a few Centuries from what I recall. 

 

Now I will say why there can't be Protheans or an evolved version of them in Andromeda and that is because Javik also mentions that everytime they started planning something big against the Reapers a Reaper indocrinated agent would foiled the plans leading to more Prothean lost. But whether he is just referring to what he knew happen while he is alive or the scarred history since the Reaper invasion is unknown to us. 

[NM_Che56]

No.  No Protheans.  We're done with that.

[capn233]

 

The lore says the Conduit went only one way. 

 

 

Yeah I forgot that Vigil specifically says it only works one way.

[pkypereira]

This one believes that the Enkindlers should not be underestimated. The scientists may have obtained some source of food to last them a bit before finding a way to leave the Citadel. Vigil does not specify whether or not the Enkindlers took food with them from Ilos. This one is certain that the Enkindlers would have tried by any means necessary to survive once their mission on the Citadel was complete. But whether or not they made it to Andromeda is a completely different question. This one personally believes that if they had survived and left the Citadel they would have dedicated the rest of their lives to prevent the next Reaper invasion, possibly helping and warning the remaining primitive races to prepare them for what was coming.

[Armass81]

cant you people just let go of the past...

 

We dont need any protheans on Andromeda, and no Shepard, and definately NO CERBERUS!