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[vbibbi]

Also, as far as I have seen, literally everyone who played ME3 post EC had no problem with the endings. 

You must not have been looking too hard. Plenty of people still had issues with the endings, EC or no EC.

 

That's up to personal opinion, I suppose. I actually liked Skyrim a lot, but FO4 was worse than more or less any Bioware game I ever played, and didn't even come close to their best efforts. It wasn't a terrible game, but on the level of Bioware's best, or TW3, or New Vegas? nah.

I played FO3 and NV and enjoyed them well enough. Mostly because the guy I was dating at the time had bought them. But neither those games nor what I have read about FO4 have interested me in buying it. It sounds like it implements the bare bones of new features and mostly just relies on the willingness of its fans to preorder anything Bethesda puts out.

 

Best tagline ever, you must admit.

 

But from what PC players have said, it was a blatant lie. Good tag line that doesn't actually contain truth.

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Just to brighten things up, subtracting the pre-order sales from the available sales number will paint a different picture. Add the hillarious number of people who complained to the EA support centre DA:I forums plus the 800 pages in the PC Community Concerns forum (DA:I), the gamers with the old gen consoles and I cannot quite come up with "... people reacted quite positively..."

 

Marketing appears to be a pseudo-science that endevours to be as close as possible to a lie but never crossing it. As such, the DA:I pitch was the Templar-Mages War and the Civil War in Orlais, the Demon Breach in the sky and hell is about to break loose unless the Inquisitor with his Inquisition forces take control of the situation.  There was one place were the Templars and Mages fought and lol they kept re-spawining.... so much for that story arc. The Civil War? Again, laughable in its implementation..... I measure this against the marketing pitch, remember? The Big Bad?.... pitiful, until the DLCs came out (not Spoils of the Avvar). Casssadra's romance? a quest  (only one I was interested).

 

Anyway, you are right in that EA will not green light any game without an online component. So, yes, ME:A will have MP... possibly a co-op, hybrid of a sort or something new. Expect micro$transactions.  Last, while I enjoyed the ME series in general, I will wait until ME:A is on sale and see what kind of PC controls are implemented before I buy (courtesy of DA:I and it's marketing).

That's a really good way of putting it. And unfortunately, I don't think there's a lot Bioware devs can do about it, so I don't think marketing is really their fault for the most part. Their fault lies in just creating the underwhelming plotlines like the two wars which are swept under the carpet. Marketing just inflated the importance of those plots to what they actually should have been, IMO.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Best tagline ever, you must admit.

Except it turned out to be blatantly untrue.

[Gago]

You must not have been looking too hard. Plenty of people still had issues with the endings, EC or no EC.

I can say the same to you, 'You must not have been looking too hard. Plenty of people do not have issues with the endings.'

We simply 'hang out' in diffetent circles where different opinions prevail.

[katamuro]

I can say the same to you, 'You must not have been looking too hard. Plenty of people do not have issues with the endings.'

We simply 'hang out' in diffetent circles where different opinions prevail.

 

Saying "plenty" doesn't mean anything. Plenty can be from 10 to 10,000. And since there are no verifiable statistics to look at of how many people found endings palatable and how many didn't EC or no EC this is a pointless argument. 

Both statements are true, PLENTY of people did have problems with it EC or no EC, PLENTY of people had no problems with it after EC got released and PLENTY of people had no problems from the start.

You have to agree though that the endings themselves present a problem, they basically shot themselves in a foot because if they ever want to write a sequel to ME3, and I mean a direct sequel they will need to either canonise destroy(much less problems than other endings) or invent some kind of gobblegook to cover it. 

[Gago]

Saying "plenty" doesn't mean anything. Plenty can be from 10 to 10,000. And since there are no verifiable statistics to look at of how many people found endings palatable and how many didn't EC or no EC this is a pointless argument. 
Both statements are true, PLENTY of people did have problems with it EC or no EC, PLENTY of people had no problems with it after EC got released and PLENTY of people had no problems from the start.
You have to agree though that the endings themselves present a problem, they basically shot themselves in a foot because if they ever want to write a sequel to ME3, and I mean a direct sequel they will need to either canonise destroy(much less problems than other endings) or invent some kind of gobblegook to cover it.

I never denied anything you wrote, you are 100% right.

As for what after the endings, I wrote few days ago in another thread that BW more or less killed MW galaxy for future installment.

[Selene Moonsong]

... And since there are no verifiable statistics to look at of how many people found endings palatable and how many didn't EC or no EC this is a pointless argument. 

 

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You have to agree though that the endings themselves present a problem, they basically shot themselves in a foot because if they ever want to write a sequel to ME3, and I mean a direct sequel they will need to either canonise destroy(much less problems than other endings) or invent some kind of gobblegook to cover it. 

 

Agree with the first part.

 

As to the second part, I don't  believe BioWare ever considered a follow-up with a direct sequel to ME 3, so I don't believe they have shot themselves in the foot in that regard. 

[ZipZap2000]

Just wanted to point out you can like the EC endings and still their flaws.

[Gambit458]

Of course it is going to be a hit. Will it be good is another question. I hope to see MEA delivers and then some. 

 

ME3 was awesome, easily my fav in the trilogy. Also, as far as I have seen, literally everyone who played ME3 post EC had no problem with the endings. 

That depends on where you look. I've seen plenty of people still dissatisfied with the endings even after EC. EC didn't solve a problem, it just tried to extend it. The ending is my least favorite part of ME 3 because I know everything I enjoyed in the game reaches the most disappointing part once you hit the end. 

[Jeffonl1]

The EC did at least fix it the ending enough for it to be somewhat coherent. Now we can argue over the story rather than trying to interpret what the hell just happened on your screen.

[Gago]

That depends on where you look. I've seen plenty of people still dissatisfied with the endings even after EC. EC didn't solve a problem, it just tried to extend it. The ending is my least favorite part of ME 3 because I know everything I enjoyed in the game reaches the most disappointing part once you hit the end.

I said people who played ME3 for the first time after EC. Other than that, I agree, the EC didn't improve the endings for some fans and ultimately it all depends where one looks.

[katamuro]

I never denied anything you wrote, you are 100% right.

As for what after the endings, I wrote few days ago in another thread that BW more or less killed MW galaxy for future installment.

 

I was just trying to prevent an old argument. It had already been done when bioware forums were BSN. 

[katamuro]

The EC did at least fix it the ending enough for it to be somewhat coherent. Now we can argue over the story rather than trying to interpret what the hell just happened on your screen.

 

Yeah, I still remember vividly my reaction. I went green-blue-red reloading the save and playing through those last ten minutes. And I was still left with a huge WTF JUST HAPPENED. 

[Master Warder Z_]

So they let the humans settle the space equivalent of Togo, Kamerun and other stuff, nobody but the batarians wanted

I suppose that'd be apt enough considering the resource wealth. For gen two and three colonies anyway as gen one had dip all to do with the scummy council.

And it ended up allowing human influence on the intergalactic economic climate to become a major facet.

It's akin to the emerging markets and industry in China in the late 70s.

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Stupid aliens.

[CronoDragoon]

I said people who played ME3 for the first time after EC. Other than that, I agree, the EC didn't improve the endings for some fans and ultimately it all depends where one looks.

 

Yeah I figured that's what you meant. For what it's worth, I mostly agree though I'll hedge it a bit: the ratio of satisfied/unsatisfied players who played with the EC (and often Leviathan) their first time is at least way higher than it was for the vanilla game. The majority sentiment I've seen is "it was good enough."

 

The funny part is that I always thought BioWare had bad endings to their games. Looking back at my Dragon Age Origins review on this forum, I even felt that ending was poor.

[straykat]

ME2 and DAO were the last endings I really liked.. At least when I first played and it was Ultimate Sacrifice. As for ME2, this was at launch. Later, Arrival kind of makes the whole thing suck. lol

[CronoDragoon]

ME2 and DAO were the last endings I really liked.. At least when I first played and it was Ultimate Sacrifice. As for ME2, this was at launch. Later, Arrival kind of makes the whole thing suck. lol

 

Well, by ending I mean after the final mission. By that definition, I'd argue ME2 might have one of the worst endings of a BioWare game, lol. Almost nothing happens except a teaser for ME3.

 

KOTOR 1's is memorably bad as well. You don't even get a "this is what happened to the characters" like DAO gives you. It's just A New Hope medal ceremony and credits.

 

Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Baal is probably their best. Holy shizit at those epilogues.

 

[straykat]

Oh, I kind of liked that little head nod you get from your crew after the mission. I got a totally different vibe from that compared to how ME3 began. It felt like Shep was finally independent and going to come up with his own plan against the Reapers. And he had a good starting point with his ME2 crew.

 

But nope...

[Brayton]

I'm more afraid that it'll be a success, initially, like Fallout 4.

 

And then slowly you realize that its mediocre game that was over hyped and sold way to well so they'll just stream/make it worse with upcoming sequels. I mean, I already see warning signs like, for instance, one of the writers for ME:Andromeda being the lead writer behind Halo 4.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

The endings to KotOR, ME1, ME2, and DA:O were all great. KotOR with the happy ending, ME1 with the "From the Wreckage" scene and music, ME2 with the music climaxing as it shows the Reaper fleet, and DA:O with the boon and the final goodbyes. Awakening was a little... abrupt, but at least there was another epilogue.

[rossler]

I liked ME3 a lot, and from what I've seen so far, ME:A looks to be a really good game.

[Han Shot First]

 

Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Baal is probably their best. Holy shizit at those epilogues.

 

 

I would kill for BG2 style epilogues in Andromeda, with a modern upgrade of course. 

[vbibbi]

I can say the same to you, 'You must not have been looking too hard. Plenty of people do not have issues with the endings.'

We simply 'hang out' in diffetent circles where different opinions prevail.

Well...you were saying that you had not seen anyone who had issues after EC. You said that "literally everyone...had no problem with the endings" which is a far cry from me stating that yes, I have still seen some people with issues on the endings. Sure, plenty of people don't have an issue, I'm not disagreeing there, I'm disagreeing that it's seemingly impossible for someone to find someone who still doesn't like the EC.

[vbibbi]

Yeah I figured that's what you meant. For what it's worth, I mostly agree though I'll hedge it a bit: the ratio of satisfied/unsatisfied players who played with the EC (and often Leviathan) their first time is at least way higher than it was for the vanilla game. The majority sentiment I've seen is "it was good enough."

 

The funny part is that I always thought BioWare had bad endings to their games. Looking back at my Dragon Age Origins review on this forum, I even felt that ending was poor.

Wow, didn't like DAO's ending? Can I ask what about it you didn't like? I was fairly satisfied with how it wrapped everything up, regardless of later retconning.

[Gago]

Well...you were saying that you had not seen anyone who had issues after EC. You said that "literally everyone...had no problem with the endings" which is a far cry from me stating that yes, I have still seen some people with issues on the endings. Sure, plenty of people don't have an issue, I'm not disagreeing there, I'm disagreeing that it's seemingly impossible for someone to find someone who still doesn't like the EC.

I was saying about people who played ME3 for first time ever and never saw the original ones. Many people, as you have correctly said, still have issues with it but as far as I have seen these guys and gals played ME3 with the original ones.

But I digress, it was poor choice of words from my part in first place.

[katamuro]

I liked ME3 a lot, and from what I've seen so far, ME:A looks to be a really good game.

 

What we have seen is not nearly enough evidence to say anything much. There are amazing trailers for games that turned out to be quite bad. If we could judge by the quality of trailers Star Citizen has to be the best game of all time so far.