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[TK514]

Well, if you're bad enough you become Konami, give up, and start making pachinko machines instead.

 

Now I'm going to cry.  Alas, poor Konami, I miss Suikoden.

 

As for ME:A being a hit, I think the BioWare brand still carries enough nostalgia to guarantee a couple of more commercial and (professional) critical successes, but they're running out of good faith to rely on.  Eventually, people are going to step back and realize that BG II and KOTOR were roughly 15 years ago, and the first ME is approaching a decade old.  If the best a developer can manage in ten years is 'divisive', eventually the people on the wrong side of that divide are going to go elsewhere.

 

Then again, we're about a year out from ME:A (less than, for the original time frame), and we know little to nothing about it.  Maybe it will be the best thing we've ever seen them make.

[Heimdall]

MEA being a hit, it would have to be a complete disaster of a game not to be.

 

A lot of people were upset by the ME3 endings, but I don't think it actually did much damage to the Bioware or Mass Effect brand as a whole.  Besides which, Bioware appears to have gone to great lengths to avoid having to address the endings at all.

[AlanC9]

Eventually, people are going to step back and realize that BG II and KOTOR were roughly 15 years ago, and the first ME is approaching a decade old.  If the best a developer can manage in ten years is 'divisive', eventually the people on the wrong side of that divide are going to go elsewhere .

I imagibe both they and Bio woukd be better off if they did leave.

[TK514]

I imagibe both they and Bio woukd be better off if they did leave.

 

In the short term, probably.  But that only works for BioWare as long as their stable core doesn't get whittled down to the point that the Great Destroyer decides to "fold BioWare's properties into the greater EA family and retire the brand".

[UpUpAway]

Despite all the negativity that pervades this site, I like what I've seen from BioWare about ME:A so far and I'm still looking forward to it's release.  I still think I'm going to enjoy it; and that's all that really matters to me.

[Heimdall]

In the short term, probably.  But that only works for BioWare as long as their stable core doesn't get whittled down to the point that the Great Destroyer decides to "fold BioWare's properties into the greater EA family and retire the brand".

I don't think there's any danger of that happening.  I don't think those nostalgic for KOTOR and BG II are a huge proportion of the Bioware fanbase anymore.  Now we're looking at a generation of players whose first introduction to Bioware was Mass Effect and Dragon Age, and the fans of those franchises appear to have expanded through time rather than rely on a core of loyal Baldur's Gate fans for their success.

[UpUpAway]

In the short term, probably.  But that only works for BioWare as long as their stable core doesn't get whittled down to the point that the Great Destroyer decides to "fold BioWare's properties into the greater EA family and retire the brand".

 

It wouldn't be the first successful Canadian company to be sucked dry by an American parent corp (my SI worked for two of those).

[AlanC9]

In the short term, probably. But that only works for BioWare as long as their stable core doesn't get whittled down to the point that the Great Destroyer decides to "fold BioWare's properties into the greater EA family and retire the brand".

I don't see that actually happening. But I suppose it depends on what you think Bio's real strengths are. I think Bio's kept just about everything that was any good from the BG2 era -- KotOR was already moving along the road to where they are now.

And while this isn't really evidence, forum posters here from the BG2/NWN years (still a few of us around) seem to have broken heavily in favor of DAI.

[Sartoz]

Despite all the negativity that pervades this site, I like what I've seen from BioWare about ME:A so far and I'm still looking forward to it's release.  I still think I'm going to enjoy it; and that's all that really matters to me.

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"...like what I've seen from BioWare about ME:A so far..."

 

Hm... I'd like to borrow your magnifying glass, 'cause besides the 1st teaser video and the second NASA history video plus some leaked survey Bio has been very dry on ME:A content. 

[vbibbi]

I don't see that actually happening. But I suppose it depends on what you think Bio's real strengths are. I think Bio's kept just about everything that was any good from the BG2 era -- KotOR was already moving along the road to where they are now.

And while this isn't really evidence, forum posters here from the BG2/NWN years (still a few of us around) seem to have broken heavily in favor of DAI.

The type of person who has a forum account from 15 years ago and is still consistently posting is highly likely to like everything that company puts out.

[UpUpAway]

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"...like what I've seen from BioWare about ME:A so far..."

 

Hm... I'd like to borrow your magnifying glass, 'cause besides the 1st teaser video and the second NASA history video plus some leaked survey Bio has been very dry on ME:A content. 

 

It simply means I liked the trailers.  (I AM allowed to like a trailer just for being an enjoyable trailer - Geez.).  I've not read or paid any attention to the leaked survey nor will I.  I'll happily wait until BioWare itself actually releases "content" officially.  It works for me... because I haven't yet bought any game that I've regretted buying.

[RighteousNixon]

I loved Mass Effect 3. In fact, I loved the entire trilogy. Easily one of the best game series I have ever played. Of course Mass Effect Andromeda is going to be a huge hit. Even if the majority of people out there didn't enjoy the ending of Mass Effect 3, that doesnt change the fact that they most likely thoroghly enjoyed Mass Effect 1 & 2 and the vast majority of 3. An ending they disliked in the final game of a trilogy is hardly enough to stop people from buying into a brand new series. 

 

And the release window for Mass Effect: Andromeda will also help sales daramatically. This is Bioware were talking about, and a new Mass Effect. Its going to be HUGE. Honestly, thats about as obvious as saying the sun will rise tomorrow morning. 

 

I don't think there's any danger of that happening.  I don't think those nostalgic for KOTOR and BG II are a huge proportion of the Bioware fanbase anymore.  Now we're looking at a generation of players whose first introduction to Bioware was Mass Effect and Dragon Age, and the fans of those franchises appear to have expanded through time rather than rely on a core of loyal Baldur's Gate fans for their success.

 

Agreed. There is a whole new generation of gamers out there that were not brought up on Baldur's Gate, or even KotOR for that matter. In those gamers eyes, Bioware is synonomous with Dragons Age and Mass Effect, not Baldur's Gate or KotOR. Some of those gamers might actually go back and play those games, but that still won't change thier viewpoint on Bioware. For them, Bioware is Dragons Age and Mass Effect. As each year passes, the people like myself that grew up playing Baldur's Gate and KotOr are becoming a smaller and smaller segment of the gaming market

[Kabooooom]

I loved Mass Effect 3. In fact, I loved the entire trilogy. Easily one of the best game series I have ever played. Of course Mass Effect Andromeda is going to be a huge hit. Even if the majority of people out there didn't enjoy the ending of Mass Effect 3, that doesnt change the fact that they most likely thoroghly enjoyed Mass Effect 1 & 2 and the vast majority of 3. An ending they disliked in the final game of a trilogy is hardly enough to stop people from buying into a brand new series.

And the release window for Mass Effect: Andromeda will also help sales daramatically. This is Bioware were talking about, and a new Mass Effect. Its going to be HUGE. Honestly, thats about as obvious as saying the sun will rise tomorrow morning.




Agreed. There is a whole new generation of gamers out there that were not brought up on Baldur's Gate, or even KotOR for that matter. In those gamers eyes, Bioware is synonomous with Dragons Age and Mass Effect, not Baldur's Gate or KotOR. Some of those gamers might actually go back and play those games, but that still won't change thier viewpoint on Bioware. For them, Bioware is Dragons Age and Mass Effect. As each year passes, the people like myself that grew up playing Baldur's Gate and KotOr are becoming a smaller and smaller segment of the gaming market

It isn't enough to stop people (or myself) from buying Andromeda, you're right. That's why I am a little worried though. The bar isnt high, it is paradoxically low. They KNOW Andromeda will be a hit despite ME3. Where is the motivation to make it a superior story then, besides professional interest/loyalty? There is virtually no economic impetus, besides making it just good enough that there isn't huge flak after release and it flops. But even shitastic games like Destiny are still massively successful.

That's what worries me a little. I dont want to see Mass Effect slowly go down the same path to mediocrity.

[DarthSliver]

MEA being a hit, it would have to be a complete disaster of a game not to be.

 

A lot of people were upset by the ME3 endings, but I don't think it actually did much damage to the Bioware or Mass Effect brand as a whole.  Besides which, Bioware appears to have gone to great lengths to avoid having to address the endings at all.

 

This is what makes MEA so interesting to me. How they will proceed with the story without addressing the ME3 endings lol

[Heimdall]

It isn't enough to stop people (or myself) from buying Andromeda, you're right. That's why I am a little worried though. The bar isnt high, it is paradoxically low. They KNOW Andromeda will be a hit despite ME3. Where is the motivation to make it a superior story then, besides professional interest/loyalty? There is virtually no economic impetus, besides making it just good enough that there isn't huge flak after release and it flops. But even shitastic games like Destiny are still massively successful.

That's what worries me a little. I dont want to see Mass Effect slowly go down the same path to mediocrity.

A valid concern, but I do think Bioware understands that they have faith to win back if they want to hold onto those fans past Andromeda. Many will buy Andromeda regardless, but the same may not hold true for Andromeda II (Assuming there is such a thing)

 

I hope the Bioware devs understand that high quality doesn't just help one game's sales, but builds up their following and fanbase for their future games.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Despite all the negativity that pervades this site, I like what I've seen from BioWare about ME:A so far and I'm still looking forward to it's release. I still think I'm going to enjoy it; and that's all that really matters to me.

Negativity on BSN? I'd say most people here kiss Bioware's butt all the time.

This is what makes MEA so interesting to me. How they will proceed with the story without addressing the ME3 endings lol

Normally I would agree, but Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age II proved that they can easily ignore the previous games if they want.

[UpUpAway]

Negativity on BSN? I'd say most people here kiss Bioware's butt all the time.

Normally I would agree, but Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age II proved that they can easily ignore the previous games if they want.

 

... and you probably account for 1,725 of those negative posts that I see... since you're certainly not among those people "kissing Bioware's butt" are you; but rather among the group slamming the likes of me, for example, for merely posting that I like a couple trailers (see above).  LMAO.

[TK514]

I don't think there's any danger of that happening.  I don't think those nostalgic for KOTOR and BG II are a huge proportion of the Bioware fanbase anymore.  Now we're looking at a generation of players whose first introduction to Bioware was Mass Effect and Dragon Age, and the fans of those franchises appear to have expanded through time rather than rely on a core of loyal Baldur's Gate fans for their success.

 

That's why I specifically mentioned Mass Effect.

 

It isn't enough to stop people (or myself) from buying Andromeda, you're right. That's why I am a little worried though. The bar isnt high, it is paradoxically low. They KNOW Andromeda will be a hit despite ME3. Where is the motivation to make it a superior story then, besides professional interest/loyalty? There is virtually no economic impetus, besides making it just good enough that there isn't huge flak after release and it flops. But even shitastic games like Destiny are still massively successful.

That's what worries me a little. I dont want to see Mass Effect slowly go down the same path to mediocrity.

 

 

A valid concern, but I do think Bioware understands that they have faith to win back if they want to hold onto those fans past Andromeda. Many will buy Andromeda regardless, but the same may not hold true for Andromeda II (Assuming there is such a thing)

 

I hope the Bioware devs understand that high quality doesn't just help one game's sales, but builds up their following and fanbase for their future games.

 

These two posts do a fine job of representing my thoughts on the matter, more or less.  A pity it didn't come out as well as I'd hoped in my original post.

[Heimdall]

That's why I specifically mentioned Mass Effect.

Fair point, but even then Mass Effect received a surge of mainstream popularity with Mass Effect 2, which was a lot of people's entry-point to the franchise (Weirdly)

[Sartoz]

It simply means I liked the trailers.  (I AM allowed to like a trailer just for being an enjoyable trailer - Geez.).  I've not read or paid any attention to the leaked survey nor will I.  I'll happily wait until BioWare itself actually releases "content" officially.  It works for me... because I haven't yet bought any game that I've regretted buying.

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Fair enough.

 

Though, I hope you realize that the trailer is only representative of Bio's goal for ME:A. .... says so in the trailer.

[Mysot_Stormrage]

I don't really consider Bioware to really be credited with Baldur's Gate, Fallout 2, Neverwinter Nights, or the Icewind Dale games.... Those are Black Isles Studios and Obsidian Games, one of which still develops quality isometric RPGs and action-RPGs. 

 

Bioware is more KOTOR, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age....  And I've been playing games since the early 90s so.... *shrug*

 

I feel that they'll do well because they're an EA product and will get a fair amount of advertising.... And because even when EA fucks up, they still seem to make a dime somehow. Simcity and Battlefront EA to name a few :V

[Bruno Hslaw]

Not convinced it will be a hit. I was one or BW biggest fans at one time . I am not planning to buy on release, that tells you something. Where I stand, BW have to prove themselves worthy of my future support. I truly hope they can.

[Steelcan]

This is what makes MEA so interesting to me. How they will proceed with the story without addressing the ME3 endings lol

it's not making it interesting to me, it just makes me thing that BioWare is hopeless

[In Exile]

I don't really consider Bioware to really be credited with Baldur's Gate, Fallout 2, Neverwinter Nights, or the Icewind Dale games.... Those are Black Isles Studios and Obsidian Games, one of which still develops quality isometric RPGs and action-RPGs. 

 

Bioware is more KOTOR, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age....  And I've been playing games since the early 90s so.... *shrug*

 

I feel that they'll do well because they're an EA product and will get a fair amount of advertising.... And because even when EA fucks up, they still seem to make a dime somehow. Simcity and Battlefront EA to name a few :V

 

While you're right about FO2 and IWD, Bioware made BG, BG2 and NWN1. 

[AlanC9]

I don't really consider Bioware to really be credited with Baldur's Gate, Fallout 2, Neverwinter Nights, or the Icewind Dale games.... Those are Black Isles Studios and Obsidian Games, one of which still develops quality isometric RPGs and action-RPGs. 

This isn't quite accurate. All of the design work on the BG games and NWN 1 was handled in-house by Bio. Black Isle was only the publisher for BG and nothing at all for NWN.

But you're right about the other games. Bio had nothing to do with NWN2, any Fallout game, or the Icewind Dale games.