Lol: "despite".
I still play ME3 and I think I'm not the only one.
I meant despite how ME3 has been dragged through the media because of the endings. After all people will remember that bad easier than the good.
And I still play it too. MP mostly but I am thinking about having another playthrough.
If DAI is any indication MEA will be nowhere near as good as any ME1, 2 or 3. - From what we know already (unless those leaks are wrong/got scrapped) it's probably going to have more open world elements which failed in DAI and will fit ME even less, probably tons of menial side content that has little/no relation to the main plot, a overly short main story and tons of steps back in character interaction and cinematics.
I want MEA to be great. Like, I really, really want that. But I just almost can't imagine it at this point because I don't think it's realistic for it to compete against what was effectively one giant continual story that was better than most movies and tv shows.
Instead I hope that it ends up being pleasant for what it is and a worthwhile distraction in between playthroughs of the original trilogy.
Most people don't even finish a ME game, so a vocal minority of cry babies on the internet that were upset over a lack of happy ending with space waifu aren't going to drastically affect sales. If ME:A is a good enough tps(like ME3), it will sell well.
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If you meant that ME:A must wow the gaming community, then I agree with you. The studio's reputation is at stake after the disastrous ME3 ending.
Mass Effect is a good IP. The question is can the studio take advantage of its potential and their own internal skills? If Bio succumbs to EA's incessant money grabbing policies this franchise may tank. A focus on exploring this big, galactic cluster is insufficient... Mako or no. All you need to do is look at Elite Dangerous . It's humongous but also sparsely populated... hardly a good combination.
So, the game must be fun to play, appeal to the romantics and RPG fans to some extent and appeal to the button smashing crowd without dumbing down the game, again. Add a pinch of something new and exciting and totally avoid major bugs at launch and we may yet see your hit.
If DAI is any indication MEA will be nowhere near as good as any ME1, 2 or 3. - From what we know already (unless those leaks are wrong/got scrapped) it's probably going to have more open world elements which failed in DAI and will fit ME even less, probably tons of menial side content that has little/no relation to the main plot, a overly short main story and tons of steps back in character interaction and cinematics.
I want MEA to be great. Like, I really, really want that. But I just almost can't imagine it at this point because I don't think it's realistic for it to compete against what was effectively one giant continual story that was better than most movies and tv shows.
Instead I hope that it ends up being pleasant for what it is and a worthwhile distraction in between playthroughs of the original trilogy.
I don't see how DAI main storyline was overtly shot.
Also for your information the main storyline in ME1 is 7-8 hours long. Doing everything else takes up another 25-30 hours roughly. Part of what made ME1 great was the whole ability to just dive into the world and see what is happening without the main story. The main story is there but there is plenty of stuff to see and do apart from it.
Sure DAI did suffer a lot from MMORPG type fetch quests and the whole "collect x amount of things" for achievements. However I see DAI pretty much equal to DAO and quite better than DA2.
^Yeah, but that doesn't mean it will not sell 5 million copies and be considered a success. ME3 despite the controversy was a hit.
But then again, ME3 despite the controversy still was an excellent game.
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If you meant that ME:A must wow the gaming community, then I agree with you. The studio's reputation is at stake after the disastrous ME3 ending.
Mass Effect is a good IP. The question is can the studio take advantage of its potential and their own internal skills? If Bio succumbs to EA's incessant money grabbing policies this franchise may tank. A focus on exploring this big, galactic cluster is insufficient... Mako or no. All you need to do is look at Elite Dangerous . It's humongous but also sparsely populated... hardly a good combination.
So, the game must be fun to play, appeal to the romantics and RPG fans to some extent and appeal to the button smashing crowd without dumbing down the game, again. Add a pinch of something new and exciting and totally avoid major bugs at launch and we may yet see your hit.
Yeah the major bugs thing is very important I would say even more important than providing something totally new. If the game is stable, plays well and doesn't have game breaking bugs requiring day 1 patches then if they basically deliver what the trailer promises.
And you are right about having populated worlds, not even with characters but with stuff to do, non-trivial stuff. So that when we get to the planet we don't just zoom straight for the mission area but we also have things to be sidetracked by. Possibly part of side-quest or side storyline that is engaging enough for us to actually look for things.
The fact that they sell Season Passes while being praised by fans shows that they indeed understand how it works.
When the DLC under the season pass is closer to what expansion packs used to be in size than regular DLC, there really isn't a problem there, it can take people well over 15 hours to get through the first DLC released for it.
I enjoyed all the ME games. I didn't mind the ending of 3 and in a sense it opens up possibilities for their writing. You get to make it a grander epic of rise and fall and then maybe clawing your way back to redemption and survival. It also means the story doesn't become hung up on or dependent on one central character/super hero and that might be better than people realize.
I think the company earned some rep back with DAI. DAI was not perfect but it was given a better reception than ME3 or DA2. Honestly they still do plotting and great characters reasonably well and I expect that to continue in ME:A. I just hope they ditch the fetch quest system that dragged DAI down and kept it from being a solid home run. You can do open world games really well and make them immersive. That Polish company whose name I won't mention successfully demonstrated that this year. I would suspect BioWare took some notice.
Probably.
DA:I had a big release, despite following on the heels of DA2.
I think Bioware's reputation might be in serious trouble however if the game ends up being a disappointment with fans. After DA2, the ME3 ending controversy, the disastrous release of SWTOR, and the polarizing reaction to DA:I among fans...they need a game that's both a hit commercially and praised by both fans and critics. They seemed to have lost some of their mojo in recent years.
The last game they released that was a commercial hit and didn't trigger significant criticism from fans was Mass Effect 2, way back in 2010. That's practically ancient history, by industry standards.
Fans will be upset regardless though at this point. Honestly, that is no indication of quality or success.
Most people don't even finish a ME game, so a vocal minority of cry babies on the internet that were upset over a lack of happy ending with space waifu aren't going drastically affect sales. If ME:A is a good enough tps(like ME3), it will sell well.
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On the contrary. There was enough player backlash that Bio eventually produced a fourth stupid ending + the crappy Galactic Readiness that served no purpose and gave us a free Multiplayer to boot. The studio's reputation was solidly tarnished.
Fans will be upset regardless though at this point. Honestly, that is no indication of quality or success.
You mean "some" fans are going to be upset. But then again pretty much always someone is upset. Its impossible to please everyone.
I just hope they make MEA better than ME3 I kinda want more games like this.
I don't really give a **** if it's not a popular opinion, but the ending to ME3 was fine.
That said, of course MEA will be wildly successful. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a jaded moron.
Of course it will be a success.
It's a shooter with multiplayer and microtransactions. That alone practically guarantees a profit.
Internet controversies don't usually translate into lost sales unless it becomes really egregious, such as Arkham Knight's unacceptable launch or AC: Unity's sorry state shooting its successor Syndicate in the foot.
I mean, GTA always attracts controversies and sells like hotcakes. Call of Duty is reviled across many websites and is still one of the most profitable franchises in modern entertainment. The ME3 ending was hated but the game still sold very well. Fallout 4 was disliked by many people but it's a Bethesda game so it will still outsell all the other beloved, quality RPGs that released in 2015 by far.
It's the internet, if it exists, someone is complaining about it. Doesn't always mean it will have a significant impact on sales.
What do you mean "despite" ME3?
ME3 was a really good game, not without its flaws, but the pluses far outweighed the minuses. On the back of that ME:A is standing on a pretty solid foundation as far as I can tell.
It's big minus almost ruined the whole series imo. The ending deserves every bit of hate and mud slinging it has gotten, every single bit. It also totally over shadowed some of the great parts of ME3. That is a problem. Do I think it will have a major major impact on future sales? Probably not but it was like cheating the emission data on a eco friendly diesel car. Once it happens you never look at the car or company the same.
^Yeah, but that doesn't mean it will not sell 5 million copies and be considered a success. ME3 despite the controversy was a hit.
I've no doubt it'll be a commercial success, but the critical reception might not be all that great if the writing is as bad of schlock as all of ME3 (no, not just the ending) was. Depends on how one defines "hit".
Only way the game can possibly fail is if the gameplay fundamentally sucks, which given that it is supposedly similar to ME3 is unlikely. The dredging up of the failed mako and addition of stupid rule of cool jetpacks are minor causes for concern, but as long as it remains a solid TPS it should be okay.
I want 50gb worth of content that'll take us dozens of hours to complete one playthrough.
Hundreds* 
I really don't understand when people make threads like this
ME3 was in no way a failure or bad game in ANY way. Seriously you hate the ending but so what? Saying the ME3 is bad is just hilarious
This is not a hate thread or anything like that. I just realised that ME games are basically the only ones in the market doing what they do. There is nothing else to compare them to or compete against. No one does games like that apart from Bioware. I love the franchise even though it got soured a bit by the endings(and here I am not even that upset about the Shepard's death or something but rather the fact that they split the universe and its so much harder to write continuations.)
The reason is simple, there is no game like it out there. There are no other scifi rpg out there. Nothing that combines storytelling with galaxy spanning adventure and action like ME games.
I just hope they make MEA better than ME3 I kinda want more games like this.
There's no other scifi rpg out there like it yet
Mandate looks pretty terrible, but we shall see if it ever gets released.
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