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[straykat]

I'm looking more forward to Cyberpunk..

 

But if I know anything about the setting, it's not wildly sci-fi. So not exactly worth comparing to this.

 

Plenty of peeps making RPGs though. They just don't have EA's money.

[katamuro]

There's no other scifi rpg out there like it yet

 

http://www.mandategame.com/

 

It looks nice but I have seen a lot of games that look nice but fall flat when released. A lot of small developer or indie games do that. Especially when they promise so much.

[Iakus]

I'm looking more forward to Cyberpunk..

 

But if I know anything about the setting, it's not wildly sci-fi. So not exactly worth comparing to this.

 

Plenty of peeps making RPGs though. They just don't have EA's money.

Pretty much.  But then, they make the games Bioware used to make.  The ones that put them on the map.

[Beerfish]

I really don't understand when people make threads like this

ME3 was in no way a failure or bad game in ANY way. Seriously you hate the ending but so what? Saying the ME3 is bad is just hilarious

Have to disagree and I am saying this as one of the biggest long time Bio Fans around.  The ending literally cast a pall on the previous games.  Most of the really good things in ME3 and there was some terrific stuff was totally over shadowed by the ending of a three game series.

[Iakus]

It looks nice but I have seen a lot of games that look nice but fall flat when released. A lot of small developer or indie games do that. Especially when they promise so much.

Well, there's also Torment: Tides of Numenera.  It's more far-future Dying Earth than Space Opera though.

 

And they've already got Wasteland 2 under their belts.   So InXile seems to know what they're doing.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Probably. 

 

DA:I had a big release, despite following on the heels of DA2.

 

I think Bioware's reputation might be in serious trouble however if the game ends up being a disappointment with fans. After DA2, the ME3 ending controversy, the disastrous release of SWTOR, and the polarizing reaction to DA:I among fans...they need a game that's both a hit commercially and praised by both fans and critics. They seemed to have lost some of their mojo in recent years.

 

The last game they released that was a commercial hit and didn't trigger significant criticism from fans was Mass Effect 2, way back in 2010. That's practically ancient history, by industry standards.

 

The sad truth is that ME:A is already controversial and polarizing the N7 fanbase because of the move to a new galaxy, it's having a new lead character, and none of the original squadmates will return. And there is NOTHING BioWare can do to stop it. They know they is no way in hell that they can satisfy everybody or even at least half of the N7 fanbase for ME:A.

 

I will say that I think there are a good number of the fans right here, that deep down they really want this game to fail big time so they get on social media and proclaim that "EA KILLED BIOWARE!"  Then they'll start waiting for Bethesda or Project CD Red (or whatever the company that made The Witcher games is called) to become the next Bioware and then see them fall (and I'm pretty sure that are people are already out there doing just that), and then we rinse and repeat to infinity.

[Master Warder Z_]

Have to disagree and I am saying this as one of the biggest long time Bio Fans around.  The ending literally cast a pall on the previous games.  Most of the really good things in ME3 and there was some terrific stuff was totally over shadowed by the ending of a three game series.

 

Its like Resident Evil fans defend the story line of 6...despite it being a joke.

[straykat]

I think a majority of old fans are still curious enough to try this..

 

OTOH, I remember the Transformers cartoon sucked after Optimus and co died...and they tried to replace him with "Hot Rod". Hot Rod sucked... and "Ryder" might be the same. They basically destroyed the whole Transformers universe and no one got over it. So it finally came back. And eventually came back bigger than ever too.

[katamuro]

Have to disagree and I am saying this as one of the biggest long time Bio Fans around.  The ending literally cast a pall on the previous games.  Most of the really good things in ME3 and there was some terrific stuff was totally over shadowed by the ending of a three game series.

 

I can live with the Shepard's death but the thing that makes it worse than how abrupt it was(before EC) was that it basically created three different continuities. 

Anyway I am not going to go again into the whole discussion on how much the endings screwed up the possibility of sequels and made it so much harder for them to make more games, I already had it a few months ago here.

 

Bioware is still one of very few companies that do the cinematic storytelling, the whole RPG feel in what is basically a shooter and enough RPG elements to still qualify as one. For example games like Far Cry 3/4 or even currently Fallout 4, are not really rpgs even if they have rpg elements. Fallout 3 and New Vegas were rpg's but Fallout 4 streamlined one too many things. 

[katamuro]

Well, there's also Torment: Tides of Numenera.  It's more far-future Dying Earth than Space Opera though.

 

And they've already got Wasteland 2 under their belts.   So InXile seems to know what they're doing.

 

Torment is an an old style rpg, it has far more differences with games like ME or even DA than similarities. Its like comparing Dragon Age and Skyrim. Sure both are fantasy rpg's with large worlds but thats about it.

[Zekka]

This game is going to do numbers. Its tagging on the open world fad and people like mass effect last gen so they'll buy it this gen.

[straykat]

This game is going to do numbers. Its tagging on the open world fad and people like mass effect last gen so they'll buy it this gen.

 

When you say "do numbers", I'm not exactly sure what you mean. To me, that's 10 million+. I only expect it be as popular as their last games. Which is modestly successful at best. The whole trilogy never even sold 15 million on all platforms/versions/etc..

 

It's not that big of a series in the wider gaming sense. But whoever plays it is pretty diehard.

[Master Warder Z_]

When you say "do numbers", I'm not exactly sure what you mean. To me, that's 10 million+. I only expect it be as popular as their last games. Which is modestly successful at best. The whole trilogy never even sold 15 million on all platforms/versions/etc..

 

It's not that big of a series in the wider gaming sense. But whoever plays it is pretty diehard.

 

Then again, what does numbers infer of any notion of quality? I mean would anyone here label COD a masterpiece of any sort?

 

.-. That said, yeah, Mass Effect has never been a blockbuster title.

[straykat]

Then again, what does numbers infer of any notion of quality? I mean would anyone here label COD a masterpiece of any sort?

 

.-. That said, yeah, Mass Effect has never been a blockbuster title.

 

Some of those CoDs are OK. But I see your point.

[The Loyal Nub]

BioWare are not going to ever be able to make an ME or DA game that will please everyone and that's probably because of the success of both series has created a rabid fanbase and a rabid fanbase is passionate and passion brings emotions both good and bad. I don't know that I could ever take what's said here as an accurate gauge of how successful a BioWare game was. It's too hyper-passionate around here so I don't come here to get a sense of how the masses looked at a BioWare game. I do come for the spirited discussions but always take it with a grain of salt. My own perception will probably be shaped by how I feel, how neutral critics feel, how gamers on neutral gaming sites with no emotional investment feel.

 

Yeah it's going to be "polarizing" here. No doubt about that. Out there? Not so sure about that unless it is delivered in a shoddy, buggy, stripped down state that insults a wider audience.

[This is the End My Friend]

Most people don't even finish a ME game, so a vocal minority of cry babies on the internet that were upset over a lack of happy ending with space waifu aren't going drastically affect sales. If ME:A is a good enough tps(like ME3), it will sell well.

 

I like how Sony keeps track of trophies unlocked among the total population of players (or at least players connected to the internet), its really sad how the percentages drop as players progress through a game.  I guess the counter argument would be that there is no way to differentiate between game purchasers and game renters but still the numbers are pretty bad. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Some of those CoDs are OK. But I see your point.

 

...I liked the Black Ops 2 campaign.

[Zekka]

When you say "do numbers", I'm not exactly sure what you mean. To me, that's 10 million+. I only expect it be as popular as their last games. Which is modestly successful at best. The whole trilogy never even sold 15 million on all platforms/versions/etc..

 

It's not that big of a series in the wider gaming sense. But whoever plays it is pretty diehard.

I was thinking 5 million+. Last gen it was one of the biggest new franchises plus a lot of games this gen that are part of the open world fad are selling well so I'm expecting Andromeda to sell well too.

[This is the End My Friend]

 

The last game they released that was a commercial hit and didn't trigger significant criticism from fans was Mass Effect 2, way back in 2010. That's practically ancient history, by industry standards.

 

Yeah, those were the days. Sometimes I miss those days when the majority around here had a really naive view of BioWare, sure made the forums a lot more care free. Although I think being a little jaded as a fan is very much a positive trait overall, as long as its not taken too far.

 

As for the OP there really aren't that many options out there if you enjoy role playing but also all the bells and whistles that come along with AAA gaming. 

[Seboist]

I like how Sony keeps track of trophies unlocked among the total population of players (or at least players connected to the internet), its really sad how the percentages drop as players progress through a game.  I guess the counter argument would be that there is no way to differentiate between game purchasers and game renters but still the numbers are pretty bad. 

 

It's similar on steam, where not even a quarter of players finished Witcher 3(24.2%) and only 10.4% finished CoD: Black Ops 3's campaign.

[katamuro]

Yeah, those were the days. Sometimes I miss those days when the majority around here had a really naive view of BioWare, sure made the forums a lot more care free. Although I think being a little jaded as a fan is very much a positive trait overall, as long as its not taken too far.

 

As for the OP there really aren't that options out there if you enjoy role playing but also all the bells and whistles that come along with AAA gaming. 

 

Its not really about RPG and AAA titles. I was saying that there is no other Scifi RPG that comes even close. Sure there are a lot of rpg's and ME series had its fair share of trouble and had quite a few mistakes which seem odd.

For example 5 or so minutes into the game you can talk to navigator Pressly and he tells you that his grandfather fought at Shanxi against turians. The thing is Pressly himself looks sort of 50'ish at least. As the war with turians was only 30 years ago then Pressly himself would have been at the age where he could have fought. His father definetely but grandfather? Lets be generous and give 20 years between generations. That means if Pressly is roughly 50, his father is 70 and his grandfather is 90. Fighting turians when he was 60? Would work but would make more sense if it was his father or Pressly himself. 

[Iakus]

Its not really about RPG and AAA titles. I was saying that there is no other Scifi RPG that comes even close. Sure there are a lot of rpg's and ME series had its fair share of trouble and had quite a few mistakes which seem odd.

For example 5 or so minutes into the game you can talk to navigator Pressly and he tells you that his grandfather fought at Shanxi against turians. The thing is Pressly himself looks sort of 50'ish at least. As the war with turians was only 30 years ago then Pressly himself would have been at the age where he could have fought. His father definetely but grandfather? Lets be generous and give 20 years between generations. That means if Pressly is roughly 50, his father is 70 and his grandfather is 90. Fighting turians when he was 60? Would work but would make more sense if it was his father or Pressly himself. 

Well, given the First Contact War (or "The Relay 314 Incident" as the turians called it) only lasted about three months. it's entirely plausible that only a fraction of the Alliance military saw action.  The Council stepped in before it could become a full-scale war.  

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, given the First Contact War (or "The Relay 314 Incident" as the turians called it) only lasted about three months. it's entirely plausible that only a fraction of the Alliance military saw action.  The Council stepped in before it could become a full-scale war.  

 

The Second Fleet saw a good bit of action at Shanxi, they brought down a Turian Dreadnought after all, and its escort cruisers.

 

I really wish we had gotten a crew number on the capital ships in Mass Effect so I could estimate just how many Turians died with the look of utter shock and horror as they realized that Shanxi was just the tip of a Empire spanning the stars.

[Draining Dragon]

I was saying that there is no other Scifi RPG that comes even close.

I have to disagree with you there. Shadowrun: Dragonfall and Shadowrun: Hong Kong are, IMHO, just as good as the Mass Effect games.

[Iakus]

The Second Fleet saw a good bit of action at Shanxi, they brought down a Turian Dreadnought after all, and its escort cruisers.

 

I really wish we had gotten a crew number on the capital ships in Mass Effect so I could estimate just how many Turians died with the look of utter shock and horror as they realized that Shanxi was just the tip of a Empire spanning the stars.

Empire spanning the stars?  Humans discovered the Charon Relay less than a decade earlier!

 

Which, given the fight they put up against the turians, doesn't make it any less shocking, really.

 

Shanxi was, as far as I can tell, the only major action in the war.