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[Dantriges]

Even with the Mars Archives giving us a comparable technology, we simply didn't have the time to actually build much of it. The Prothean technology was discovered in 2148, the First Contact War started 9 years later.

Unless the Protheans left information about the other species in their archives (which has never been mentioned to my knowledge), then I don't know why Humanity was motivated to build a massive fleet for their defense.

 

Considering that the other species had 2000 years to build on that foundation and access to more sites and longer time to get the data out, there should be a bigger difference. Unless the prothean primitivology*/uplift site on Mars also was the high end weapons lab of the Protheans or so, with prototypes ready to use and conveniently easy to reverse engineer..

 

Let´s not talk about actually getting the funding to build a fleet of that size when quite a lot of Earth´s nations are still struggling and the wealthy ones would probably balk at the idea to build a massive fleet for a supranational organisation with no enemy in sight.

 

Oh and having no actual experience fighting in space.

 

But who cares, a few years later, Goyle can intimidate the galaxy with humanity´s military prowess, something like we go down but this will be a huge war like the Rachni one. Go, Luxemburg, take on the whole world at once.

 

*if Javik is any indicator, I am pretty sure this is close to their oficial name for it.

[straykat]

Mass Effect is space opera, which is another way of saying space fantasy. And fantasy will always be more interested in what is old and forgotten than what is novel. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, of course, because I think it's an effective way to demonstrate just how goddamn old the universe is, which is a good topic for a space story.

 

I think I'd rather chalk it up to them being Canadian.

 

Seriously though, it was never a good topic. I never cared for the Reapers. I just wanted to be a space cop.

[Seboist]

Probably because of multiplayer... maybe.

 

They're the only people who truly love the game, if you think about it.

 

Even the SP's core gameplay is objectively superior to ME2's(and needless to say 1's), and for the faults that ME3's story has, it at least advanced the main plot, instead of giving us filler nonsense where we fly around playing spectre therapist in a luxury space yacht and dealing with an inconsequential villain of the week.

[in it for the lolz]

I think I'd rather chalk it up to them being Canadian.

 

Seriously though, it was never a good topic. I never cared for the Reapers. I just wanted to be a space cop.

I always wanted to be a Space Merc with the Mouth, but with the powers that be (Bioware) crapped on that dream.

[Iakus]

Probably because of multiplayer... maybe.

 

They're the only people who truly love the game, if you think about it.

I don't think there's a "maybe" about it.

 

Like I said, make it a shooter with multiplayer and people will flock to it.  Because there can never be too many shooters 

[Master Warder Z_]

But who cares, a few years later, Goyle can intimidate the galaxy with humanity´s military prowess

 

She sure did, it shocked the council, the Turian like..."but we have more guns!"

 

And Goyle was like "Oh yeah? We have enough and we are already a critical part of the galactic economy, its why you choose us over the Batarians remember?"

[Master Warder Z_]

Yeah, but in the end, they were the ultimate scavengers

 

And that is where I fault Bioware, but then they needed a second enemy faction apparently besides the Reapers.

[DaemionMoadrin]

BioWare excels at writing likeable characters and emotional moments. But when it comes to the actual story, it's a plothole clusterfuck with no basis in science or reality. If you can suspend your disbelief, then all's fine. The very moment you question anything, it all falls apart.

 

So ME2? Nonsense from start to end. But the characters in it were great, so it's usually praised as the best ME game.

[straykat]

And that is where I fault Bioware, but then they needed a second enemy faction apparently besides the Reapers.

 

TIM was always open to swinging the other way though. It kind of comes to a head at the end of ME2, with the Collector base. He wants his cake and to eat it too. Finally at Mars, he's just like "You'd do better than most, but it's over between us."

[Master Warder Z_]

TIM was always open to swinging the other way though.

 

Anything prior to the travesty that was Mass Effect 3 disagrees with that, in Retribution he is talking about working with Shepard once the Reapers arrive, even as he is studying their tech.

[straykat]

Anything prior to the travesty that was Mass Effect 3 disagrees with that, in Retribution he is talking about working with Shepard once the Reapers arrive, even as he is studying their tech.

 

Fair enough.

 

In any case, I think destroy Shep is the only one who actually stands for creativity and humanity. For better or worse. TIM would never have it. He's like a crack addict at that point.

[Iakus]

She sure did, it shocked the council, the Turian like..."but we have more guns!"

 

And Goyle was like "Oh yeah? We have enough and we are already a critical part of the galactic economy, its why you choose us over the Batarians remember?"

Why did I have a mental image of a Sparatus going "we have an army!"  And Udina going "We have a Hulk!" As Commander Shepard walks in 

[Iakus]

I played it just recently to see why everyone hated the ending so much.

I didn't see what was wrong with the ending that wasn't wrong with the whole game.

You are definitely not wrong in that regard.  But I'd say the ending makes for a very obvious example to point to.

[spinachdiaper]

I get the feeling that ME3 did ultimately burn a few bridges with people and ME:A won't sell to those who have truly moved on.

[rashie]

Its probably a good thing to not pay too much attention to time-lines in the Mass Effect series but rather just the abstract history disregarding time between events, its full of scenarios happening far too quickly and abrupt.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I get the feeling that ME3 did ultimately burn a few bridges with people and ME:A won't sell to those who have truly moved on.

I'm watching to see if they do anything differently. But if not, I'll skip it.

[Master Warder Z_]

Why did I have a mental image of a Sparatus going "we have an army!"  And Udina going "We have a Hulk!" As Commander Shepard walks in 

 

In reality it would have been a war no one wanted, and it would have ruined the galaxy for decades.

 

I mean we see the evidence of continental economic turmoil and warfare throughout our history, apply that to a galactic scale.

 

It wouldn't be a good time for anyone.

[SofaJockey]

A hit?

Of course it will be.

 

Just look what interesting games are coming up in 2016.

There aren't many that I'm interested in, though your mileage may vary...

 

Oh, and folk on BSN with thousands of posts to their name liking or criticising BW / ME / etc etc

are hardly a 'normal' and representative sample by which a 'hit' will be determined.

[Beerfish]

Fair enough.

 

In any case, I think destroy Shep is the only one who actually stands for creativity and humanity. For better or worse. TIM would never have it. He's like a crack addict at that point.

And one of the reasons I hated the end of ME3, take a pretty good villain that you can actually relate to re his motives and then RAWR!  Turn him into a cartoon character villain right out of Dick Tracy.  Thank god Mac Walters never got a hold of Jon Irenicus.

[katamuro]

Considering that the other species had 2000 years to build on that foundation and access to more sites and longer time to get the data out, there should be a bigger difference. Unless the prothean primitivology*/uplift site on Mars also was the high end weapons lab of the Protheans or so, with prototypes ready to use and conveniently easy to reverse engineer..

 

Let´s not talk about actually getting the funding to build a fleet of that size when quite a lot of Earth´s nations are still struggling and the wealthy ones would probably balk at the idea to build a massive fleet for a supranational organisation with no enemy in sight.

 

Oh and having no actual experience fighting in space.

 

But who cares, a few years later, Goyle can intimidate the galaxy with humanity´s military prowess, something like we go down but this will be a huge war like the Rachni one. Go, Luxemburg, take on the whole world at once.

 

*if Javik is any indicator, I am pretty sure this is close to their oficial name for it.

 

Well partial explanation of why the other races don't seem to have a wildly enhanced technology to humanity is that the Sovereign might have been acting in a way to slow it down, even the asari matriarch bartended(you know who I just can't spell her name right now) noted that Asari had the technology to build new mass relays but they simply were not willing to do it. 

Another explanation is that Asari have been for centuries holding back the advancement since they have been holding that edge ever since they had their own beacon to use for their own purposes. Its why their ships are so much more advanced than any other species. 

And the third one is that technology reaches a point of equilibrium for a while and we only get small incremental improvements for a bit until the conditions are right and some new technology revolitionaises the world again. Similar things have been happening in the history of Earth. Times when technology seemed to stand still for a while. Its not so apparent now because there is a lot of money invested into a lot of research so it seems like there is a new thing every day. In actuality while there are a lot of theoretical and experimental most of the stuff that we are using has been around for a decade at least and if you get away from the bigger cities the disparity of the level of technology will grow.

 

PS. Love your Kosh. 

[Dantriges]

Hm, does Sovereign have a reason to slow down development? The Catalyst put everything on the fast track and the protheans still had better tech.

Aethyta said they should build mass relays, no idea if they have the actual capability right at the moment or if it was some kind of "we should research that stuff."

 

The asari had a 40,000 year head start with the protheans teaching them stuff before the Reapers came

 

If we take third world countries into account, they hang back a lot more. But onthe global scale technology advanced most of the time. IIRC the only real setback and regression was after the fall of Rome for a rather short amount of time. Still, we are talking about 2700 years or so

[katamuro]

Hm, does Sovereign have a reason to slow down development? The Catalyst put everything on the fast track and the protheans still had better tech.

Aethyta said they should build mass relays, no idea if they have the actual capability right at the moment or if it was some kind of "we should research that stuff."

 

The asari had a 40,000 year head start with the protheans teaching them stuff before the Reapers came

 

If we take third world countries into account, they hang back a lot more. But onthe global scale technology advanced most of the time. IIRC the only real setback and regression was after the fall of Rome for a rather short amount of time. Still, we are talking about 2700 years or so

 

Well the whole point of Reaper mission is that they wanted to control the organics, hence it would make sense that they would limit the way they could advance in technology to make it easier for them to harvest them and the whole relay system is one big system of control. After all with relays no one really needed to develop long range drives.

 

It seems asari underwent their own version of "dark age" after the protheans left, so they were probably stuck until they got to the level of technology on their own that allowed them to use the beacon and the technology left inside it. 

 

I am not saying it stopped advancing but it takes time for the advances to filter through, it takes time for the scientists and engineers to actually make it viable and work the kinks out, it takes time for manufacturers to make it, it takes time for people to start using it. Take a look at the history of the LCD and you will see how long it took from knowing about the properties, to theory, to first tries at actual use to the first manufactured product. 

Another prime example are computers, they seem to get more powerful every year but the actual components that are released have months if not years of R&D. Just because there is technology and we know how to use it doesn't mean we can actually use it. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Sovereign didn't meddle with the development at all, it only became active at the end of the cycle.

[Linkenski]

The reason is simple, there is no game like it out there. There are no other scifi rpg out there. Nothing that combines storytelling with galaxy spanning adventure and action like ME games. 

I just hope they make MEA better than ME3 I kinda want more games like this.

I agree. Even if it's mediocre like DA:I it's still the only game like it this year with the amount of player customization and being sci-fi. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that it ends up being an excellent blend of the things that worked best in the trilogy, like ME3's cinematic and emotional storytelling mixed with ME1/Witcher3 esque side-quests that are all properly set up and have some storytelling to them. I think though, given the trend since the EA aquisition though that Bioware is forced to make as much of ME:A's gameplay around combat scenarios and level design though, and I am fine with that too as long as the combat is fun.

 

Still, I miss when Bioware games felt like they were made with the mindset of "let's make whatever we want and whatever serves our story" because it really feels like story is written around the gameplay more and more in their latest games especially ME3 and DA:I. Both things have their strengths, but there's always a suspend-disbelief thing going on when you increasingly try to explain things that seem kind of BS because they're first made as gameplay, like Cerberus enemies in ME3 or almost every side-quest in DA:I. At the end of the day you know the incentive from a creator-standpoint was to make the game-design first and explain it with the story and not the other way around which is how KOTOR and alike were made.

[Dantriges]

It seems asari underwent their own version of "dark age" after the protheans left, so they were probably stuck until they got to the level of technology on their own that allowed them to use the beacon and the technology left inside it. 

 

I am not saying it stopped advancing but it takes time for the advances to filter through, it takes time for the scientists and engineers to actually make it viable and work the kinks out, it takes time for manufacturers to make it, it takes time for people to start using it. Take a look at the history of the LCD and you will see how long it took from knowing about the properties, to theory, to first tries at actual use to the first manufactured product. 

Another prime example are computers, they seem to get more powerful every year but the actual components that are released have months if not years of R&D. Just because there is technology and we know how to use it doesn't mean we can actually use it. 

 

Yeah that´s all fine and nice, the C64 was the computer of the day, Amiga 500 was hot in my childhood and there were no mobile phones in my childhood etc. But you are talking about stuff in decades, the asari and the salarians achieved FTL spaceflight 580-520 BCE. That´s the time of the greek citystates, etruscan league, achemenid persia. I could buy the asari as being hopelessly traditional but the salarians and the turians don´t really fit the bill. Even if we disregard that the pace of technologal advances constantly accelerates and assume that the archives were a big boost, it would be like WW1 ships of a second rate country engaging a modern US carrier group. And that´s generous.